BegoodJohnny44
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January 9th, 2022 at 2:35:49 PM permalink
Hello wizzards

Been Playing this game recently that pays 6.5 to 1 on any BlackJack but only pays you half on your original bet on any win. How much am i giving up on that?
DD 9,10.11
Split only once for a total of two hands
No DAS
Player wins on 6 card charlie
Dealer Stands on 17 or on 6 cards
Single Deck shuffles every hand

Can you help me determine my edge ?
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January 9th, 2022 at 2:48:53 PM permalink
Just to make sure I have this right. You bet $10. You win $65 on a blackjack, but if you win any other hand, you get $5?
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January 9th, 2022 at 2:49:42 PM permalink
That sounds awful.
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BegoodJohnny44
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January 9th, 2022 at 2:53:14 PM permalink
yes thats correct
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January 9th, 2022 at 2:57:01 PM permalink
The dealer stand rule seems unique.

I have a feeling that the strategies (and there will be at least 2) are somewhat different from standard.

I'm sure the casino's marketing will call it what they like, but it seems aesthetically displeasing to tag it with "blackjack" instead of "a novel 21 based carnival game".
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:04:02 PM permalink
Wouldn't this be countable?

When the count is high the profit should be fantastic. Add in wonging out or using someone to play low until the count is high.
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:07:34 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Wouldn't this be countable?

When the count is high the profit should be fantastic. Add in wonging out or using someone to play low until the count is high.
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Single deck shuffle after every hand.
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:07:51 PM permalink
If there's a chance that this game runs in cycles how would I be able to prove it. Number of hands in between BJs or units Up or Down?
I never advocate any gamblers fallacy but I've been playing it for a while and then i found this /forum/gambling/blackjack/3064-black-gold-21/
which reinforced my suspicion just a bit the gentleman describes another game but the manual describes mine . Left me with more questions than answers. Please help
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:11:32 PM permalink
Quote: BegoodJohnny44

Hello wizzards

Been Playing this game recently that pays 6.5 to 1 on any BlackJack but only pays you half on your original bet on any win. How much am i giving up on that?
DD 9,10.11
Split only once for a total of two hands
No DAS
Player wins on 6 card charlie
Dealer Stands on 17 or on 6 cards
Single Deck shuffles every hand

Can you help me determine my edge ?
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I think there is not much in it, maybe a small player edge of about 1% ( but I only did it very rough, so could be "way off")

Also, do you only get paid 1 to 2 on any double as well ? ( I assumed yes, but doesn't hurt to ask).
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:15:24 PM permalink
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Quote: BegoodJohnny44

Hello wizzards

Been Playing this game recently that pays 6.5 to 1 on any BlackJack but only pays you half on your original bet on any win. How much am i giving up on that?
DD 9,10.11
Split only once for a total of two hands
No DAS
Player wins on 6 card charlie
Dealer Stands on 17 or on 6 cards
Single Deck shuffles every hand

Can you help me determine my edge ?
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I think there is not much in it, maybe a small player edge of about 1% ( but I only did it very rough, so could be "way off")

Also: do you only get paid 1 to 2 on any double as well ? ( I assumed yes, but doesn't hurt to ask).
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Also, on splits, do wins on each hand pay 1 to 2. Or is it just the original bet that gets paid 1 to 2?
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:16:18 PM permalink
yes and also i forgot to mention although its obvious that they still give you money back on a push
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:17:34 PM permalink
wins on each hand pay 1 to 2
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:18:42 PM permalink
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wins on each hand pay 1 to 2
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So your double down extra bet is also only 1:2?

Does 21 from splitting aces pay 6.5:1?
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:22:41 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Quote: BegoodJohnny44

wins on each hand pay 1 to 2
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So your double down extra bet is also only 1:2?

Does 21 from splitting aces pay 6.5:1?
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yes double down extra bet is also only 1:2

And No BlackJacks on the split
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:24:50 PM permalink
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Hello wizzards

Been Playing this game recently that pays 6.5 to 1 on any BlackJack.(snip)
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What happens on a blackjack tie?
Because, I get a small house edge if "blackjack ties are a push" (using very rough figures).
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:27:00 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Quote: darkoz

Wouldn't this be countable?

When the count is high the profit should be fantastic. Add in wonging out or using someone to play low until the count is high.
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Single deck shuffle after every hand.
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Ahhh, I see.

Shuffle tracking?

I don't count cards so just throwing it out there.
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:30:35 PM permalink
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Quote: BegoodJohnny44

Hello wizzards

Been Playing this game recently that pays 6.5 to 1 on any BlackJack.(snip)
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What happens on a blackjack tie?
Because, I get a small house edge if "blackjack ties are a push" (using very rough figures).
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Blackjack ties are a push yes
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:49:15 PM permalink
When I win 4 Blackjacks in a row, I call it winning; if the Dealer gets 4 Blackjacks in a row, I call it (blankety-blank-blank-blank). If the Dealer ties my Blackjack 4 times in a row, it's not losing is it?
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January 9th, 2022 at 3:54:34 PM permalink
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When I win 4 Blackjacks in a row, I call it winning; if the Dealer gets 4 Blackjacks in a row, I call it (blankety-blank-blank-blank). If the Dealer ties my Blackjack 4 times in a row, it's not losing is it?
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"Money not lost is as good as money won" i think Doyle Brunson said that
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January 9th, 2022 at 5:46:01 PM permalink
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I never advocate any gamblers fallacy but I've been playing it for a while and then i found this /forum/gambling/blackjack/3064-black-gold-21/
which reinforced my suspicion just a bit the gentleman describes another game but the manual describes mine .
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Unable to bless the link in situ.
/forum/gambling/blackjack/3064-black-gold-21/
May the cards fall in your favor.
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