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October 12th, 2021 at 9:23:13 AM permalink
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Hawaii is (as far as I know) the only state that allows no gambling at all
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Did Utah relax?

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no - I was wrong - it's not just Hawaii - Utah also allows no form of gambling

they have had a problem with illegal gambling operations as has Hawaii as shown in the links




https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/new-bill-introduced-to-address-illegal-gambling-in-utah

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/05/20/hawaii-news/honolulu-police-crack-down-on-illegal-gambling-houses/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CGambling%20is%20illegal%20in%20Hawaii,at%20risk%20of%20being%20injured.

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If forgetting about Utah is the biggest problem we face, I think it's a pretty good day.
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October 12th, 2021 at 12:15:34 PM permalink
Casinos have no value to society. But a lot of things donít.
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October 12th, 2021 at 12:53:35 PM permalink
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Casinos have no value to society. But a lot of things donít.
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How is entertainment not value? Does a bar have no value? Does concert have no value?

I go to a casino a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I don't want to.


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October 12th, 2021 at 2:17:07 PM permalink
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Casinos have no value to society. But a lot of things donít.
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I go to a casino a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I don't want to.


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I [do drugs] a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I donít want to.
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October 12th, 2021 at 3:13:52 PM permalink
That's nice.


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October 12th, 2021 at 7:10:12 PM permalink
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How is entertainment not value? Does a bar have no value? Does concert have no value?

I go to a casino a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I don't want to.



I think this is a common belief about casino games, that they do offer value to the community. When someone puts money in a machine and hits the buttons, or puts a chip down at a blackjack table, both sides involved in the transaction gain something of value. Often it is entertainment for one side and some economic value for the other.

If that is a valid theory, doesn't that mean that professional players (ie players who play these games as a profession) must also offer value to the community. Because when they enter into a transaction by playing a slot machine or table game, both must gain something of value.
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October 13th, 2021 at 6:30:53 AM permalink
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If that is a valid theory, doesn't that mean that professional players (ie players who play these games as a profession) must also offer value to the community. Because when they enter into a transaction by playing a slot machine or table game, both must gain something of value.
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Is it not entertaining to the other patrons to watch a professional play and win?
Some casinos do hire entertainers of various types to perform and mingle.
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October 13th, 2021 at 8:12:28 AM permalink
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Do casino games offer anything of value to the community (or society)?

Not talking about the drinks, hotel, restaurants, or anything like that; nor the taxes they pay or the jobs they offer. Only asking about the keno games, buffalo slot machines, blackjack and roulette tables, and things like that. Do casino games provide benefits to the players? Do they exploit them? Something else?

This is not meant to be a loaded question, as my opinion on this is not very well formed.
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The question begs a false choice. Gaming is the primary function of casinos and to dismiss, with your question, the real positives of casino gaming does a general disservice. The casino industry in our society offers jobs at all levels of skill and competence (dismissed by the question), taxes, both state and federal to pay for governmental services (dismissed by the question), charitable contributions and funding which is never advertised or mentioned in the same breath about casinos, and other local participations usually hidden from public view.

It surprises me that some the prominent locals like Mr. W and others would not jump at the chance to sing the praises of the casino industry and their positive contributions to our society. Instead we have mostly negative or neutral comments like "entertainment" and "addiction" and "exploitation."

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October 13th, 2021 at 8:56:22 AM permalink
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Hawaii is (as far as I know) the only state that allows no gambling at all
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Did Utah relax?

I believe Alaska allows pull-tabs, but little else. If you've never played pull-tabs, well, scratchers are an exciting upgrade.
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Pull Tabs, Charitable Bingo, certain raffles and there's also one charitable lottery, but it's not run by the state itself.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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October 13th, 2021 at 8:59:33 AM permalink
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no - I was wrong - it's not just Hawaii - Utah also allows no form of gambling

they have had a problem with illegal gambling operations as has Hawaii as shown in the links



(Links removed, duplication)

Utah is also one of the few states to specifically amend their code to make clear that online gambling is expressly illegal in the state.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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