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October 30th, 2021 at 8:41:09 PM permalink
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I haven't seen the film but I assume the reason he is the same age is because James Bond and 007 are just code names and there have been different James Bonds?




I agree.

As evidence, there is a scene with the current M in a hallway with paintings of the two previous M's. As I recall, the Judi Dench M died, but the original M seemed to be replaced with a different actor without comment. I also think M was referred to by a different first name than that from Moonraker. If there can be multiple M's, why not multiple 007's. What about the name though? I assume it is a working name. Bond is a lonely person, who no family and few friends, so I assume it wasn't hard to walk away from another name and identity.

I will admit that working against this theory is the scene in For Your Eyes Only of the Roger Moore bond putting flowers on the grave of Teresa Bond, who the Lazenby Bond married. Why would Bond #3 care about the ex-wife of Bond #2?

Working in favor of my theory that there is real world chatter of the next 007 being female.

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I don't think the codename theory works. Up through Dalton the Bond's all clearly had the same deceased wife (along with other links). Bronson's Bond did not share this think, but made comments to M about her predecessor, making it clear that she was new (Q was the same and was already knowledgeable of his personality quirks, granted Goldeneye had a 10 year time lapse from its pre-credit scene to "present"). I think up through Bronson they pretty much just rolled with the same character and people had to adjust disbelief about not aging. Really M and Q are the only characters who seems obviously replaced (with referenced to their predecessors, or in Q's case training in the new one). Moneypenny (through the Bronson era) seems to be the same character with different actresses portraying her. Same thing with Felix Leiter.

I think the most likely answer is Connery-Bronson same character. Craig was a total reboot showing him from the beginning (starting with the original novel), and modernizing the series (which if they had the rights to Spectre since the start could have been much better done, but they had limited material and then later tried to bullhorn it in when they finally got it which messed with the whole Quantum thing, but I guess that cannot be helped).

The next actor, who knows. It will have to be a reboot. I still think a period reboot would be best (to take place in the 1950s). There is a lot of current events that could be interesting to cover with a modern Bond, but the movie series seems to strive away from covering anything that would be politically sensitive (except stuff that is black and white like the Soviet Union and North Korea, even if that got backlash), and I know its a big deal for them to get a release in China now because that is important for some reason, I guess because they want more viewers, so that automatically cuts out a lot of current current conflicts (very strict censorship on what can be published based on content which limits a lot of conflicts and even regions)....
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November 11th, 2021 at 12:07:20 PM permalink
007 Car Trivia Quiz (Part One)



"Well 007? Where exactly is the rest of this piece of equipment?"
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001) Before receiving his Aston Martin DB5, what make of car does Bond drive?

002) In which film is Bond chased by the police while driving a Ford Mustang Mach 1?

003) Identify the film by the cars Bond drives: Lotus Esprit Turbo, Citroën 2CV?

004) In which film does Bond flip his Aston Martin V12 Vanquish right-side up using the ejector seat?

005) When Bond does a "barrel roll" jump in an AMC Hornet, what musical instrument accompanies the stunt?

006) In "GoldenEye", Bond, driving his DB5, races Xenia Onatopp who's driving what make of car?

007) What silly, non-car Bond vehicle has embarrassingly never sold at auction?
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November 23rd, 2021 at 11:49:35 PM permalink
**This post will contain spoilers for No Time to Die and the last two Fleming Books**


I have finally watched No Time to Die, and my quick review is it was a great summation of the Daniel Craig Bond films, one of the best Craig films and worth watching.

My longer review and theory on the continuity is as follows:

The movie dovetails with Spectre, which in my view is not a great point, as that was the weakest Craig film by far (one of the weakest Bond films by far), a film which squandered their many decades fight to get back the rights to use the Spectre characters (and this film further squanders them, luckily its a minor point in this film, which this film seems to realize by their quick elimination). I think the Craig series would have been better if they saved Spectre for the next Bond and kept Quantum as the overarching organization. Spectre (The Film) was a terrible shoehorn of an attempt to link all of the prior craig films, which led to a terrible film.
That being said, we are where we are. And, Spectre (the characters/org) is mostly used as a plot device in this film, being (**Spoiler alert for the last time**) eliminated early on, by Safin, who takes over as the primary villain (along with his organization which is not really fleshed out in its structure, but appears powerful).

The film has themes to On Her Majesty's Secret Service (OHMSS), throughout, with no so subtle soundtrack pulls (and even the final theme over the credits being We Have all of the Time in the World from the 1969 film) and even direct quotes ( "We Have all of the time in the world").

However, what immediately struck out to me in the second half was the similarities to You Only Live Twice (The Novel, not the movie). In my view this plot was a modern adaptation of this novel. During this Novel Bond if is kind of fired (in this film he is retired) and assigned to a diplomatic role (and loses his number) and has some tension with M. Blofeld turns out to be the main villain of the novel (in disguise in his poison castle), in any case the conflict ensues and Bond escapes the destructed castle, badly damaged with no memory, and is rescued and has a child (against his will), which leads to him wanting to escape and is presumed dead. (This is a gross simplification). However, after escaping this Japanese island he is taken captive by the Soviets (we do not learn this until the following Novel Man with the Golden Gun).

The following Novel starts with Bond being missing for some time, eventually turning up years later in an unrecognizable state (physically and mentally) after years of torture and brainwashing by the Soviets. He returns, and convinces MI6 to have a meeting with M after a series of tests to establish his identity and history, and it is built into his head that he has to kill M to right the wrongs from what M did to him (which in the case of the movie, my guess will be to right the wrongs of what M did in general). He of course fails to kill M and gets assigned a suicide mission (find and kill the Man with the Golden Gun), the details from this point do not matter as this just shows the change of the character. This plot device (being presumed dead after disputes with M and leadership) and returning years later physically and mentally totally different would allow and new character to seamlessly take over the role if they want to continue the story (the infection can easily be written out into the Soviets -or whoever in the modern version- found a treatment, or Safin lied about the effects being permanent).

We know "James Bond Will Return" (it even says exactly that at the end of the credits), it is just a matter how. And, my view is they will do a similar scenario to You Only Live Twice - The Man With The Golden Gun transition (Novels) as this will allow an actor who is completely different physically and mentally to take over the role and continue to story. I did not think this would be the case, until I saw the film, and saw the obvious Parrells of it being a modern You Only Live Twice (again the Novel, forget, the movie), everything from the child, to the poison island (the island even being located in disputed Russian territory), to the ending, the conflict with M. It is setting up a perfect return for Bond to end up returning years later from a stint in a Russian prison attempting to kill M and having to redeem himself (which could be the perfect introduction for a new actor as well).

Of Course, they can always go a fresh reboot. But, now seeing the film and the literary basis for it, I think both are equally likely (and in any case even the above would be a reboot of sorts and allow a new actor to continue to story without too many questions about massive personality or physical differences).

I will say this is one of the best Craig films. If I had to do a quick ranking it would be: Casino Royale> No Time to Die > Skyfall > Quantum of Solace > Spectre

I tend to think Spectre is overrated (a very poor use of finally obtaining the legal rights, in fact I would go as far to say one of the worst Bond Movies of all) and Quantum of Solace is underrated (it touches a lot of real-world political issues that most Bond films steer clear of, and is less of a "Bond Movie" than many Bond movies which is why I suspect many dislike it, but it also builds up Leiter's character). Skyfall was solid (even if far-fetched at times), Casino Royale is easily the best (this unlike Spectre is a great example of modernizing a classic story after finally regaining the rights to it), though No Time to Die lags not far behind (most of the points working against it are carry-overs from Spectre).
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November 27th, 2021 at 6:41:55 PM permalink
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"It only took a few seconds Q."
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In the Fleming novels, Bond, for the most part, dives a Bentley and the films do reflect this. In "From Russia With Love" Bond has a Bentley Mark IV on his date with Sylvia at the beginning of the film. In the Q scene from "Goldfinger" Bond asks where his Bentley is. Q tells him it's had its day and introduces him to the Aston Martin DB5. In "Thunderball", Bond drives his Aston Martin to the Health Clinic. In the remake "Never Say Never Again", however, Bond drives a 1937 Bentley.



In "Diamonds Are Forever" Bond races through the streets of Las Vegas in a 1971 Mustang Mach 1. It's a mediocre car chase somewhat marred by all the people standing around obviously watching the filming. Also it seems like they're doing doughnuts in front of The Mint casino considering how many times they seem to pass in front of it. Still, who doesn't love a view of old school Glitter Gulch? If you watch the above clip, see if you can spot one of the bigger Bond movie bloopers.


In "For Your Eyes Only", after his Lotus explodes, Bond must escape in Melina's Citroën. (The look on Bond's face when he first sees the Citroën is classic.) With no speed or gadgets, Bond must rely on his driving skills alone in what becomes one of the better car chases in the series.


This event takes place during the ice lake chase in "Die Another Day". Mathematician Bond fans still debate if the force needed to actually flip the Aston Martin over would, in reality, break the the car apart.


The stunt takes place in "The Man with the Golden Gun" and is accompanied by (of all things) a slide whistle. Many Bond fans are still furious that the music turns one of the greatest stunts of the franchise into a punchline. Composer John Barry admitted it was a blunder and regretted the decision. In the extras section of home video versions you'll often find the stunt scored differently to show how much the soundtrack can add or detract from a scene.



Xenia drives a Ferrari F355 GTS. Bond observes that the French registration plates for that year's model start with the letter "L", even the counterfeit ones. Xenia's car has license plate 437 NAC 75 (75 is the French license plate code for the Paris region).


It's true. The moon buggy from "Diamonds Are Forever" failed to sell after several auction attempts, including on Ebay. It was eventually discovered rusting away in a field by some Bond fans who decided to restore it. The damage was so extensive and so much of it had to be replaced, however, that the final result is considered more of a reproduction than a restoration.
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December 22nd, 2021 at 5:32:30 PM permalink
Still waiting for the big kahuna analysis of the Casino Royale (2006) poker scenes. In the meantime...

Both the Ocean Club poker game and the Casino Royale poker game have a player at the table who appeared in a previous Bond film. Who are these two cameo actors and what 007 films did they appear in?
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December 25th, 2021 at 12:14:10 PM permalink
Yes, it's a tough but fun bit of trivia if you're a fan of Bondom...


At the Ocean Club game, where Bond wins his Aston Martin, the lady sitting to the right of Dimitrios is played by Diane Hartford. Her first film appearance was a small part in "Thunderball" (1965). She played the girl at the Kiss Kiss Club who Bond whisks onto the dance floor trying to elude SPECTRE agents. This 41 year gap is the longest stretch between Bond film appearances.



At the big Casino Royale game, the lady sitting between Bond and Leighter (Madam Wu who briefly appeared earlier in the film) is played by Tsai Chin. She played Ling, the girl who helps to "kill" Bond in the pre-title sequence of "You Only Live Twice" (1967). This 39 year gap is the second longest stretch between Bond film appearances.

I should mention that Fans still argue about the YOLT scene. Who exactly is in on it? If Ling and the gunman are SPECTRE agents, why isn't Bond dead? If they're part of the set up, why act out the entire ruse? Oh well, Ling does have one of the raunchiest lines of the series ... "Darling, I give you very best duck."


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And now, 007 Christmas trivia...



001) Which Bond film prominently takes place at Christmas time?

002) Which film has a character named Christmas?

003) In which film does Bond refer to his gadget laden attache case as "a nasty little Christmas present"?

004) After receiving a gun and a radio from Q, a disappointed Bond says "It's not exactly Christmas" in which film?

005) Q says he built a voice modulator "for the kids last Christmas" in which film?

006) A contact agent tells Bond she's going "To take care of supervisor. When PIG goes his panel will light up like Christmas tree," in which film?

007) Bond quips to Q that he must get his "very novel" poison darts "in the stores for Christmas" in which film?
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December 25th, 2021 at 12:28:25 PM permalink
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Yes, it's a tough but fun bit of trivia if your a fan of Bondom...


At the Ocean Club game, where Bond wins his Aston Martin, the lady sitting to the right of Dimitrios is played by Diane Hartford. Her first film appearance was a small part in "Thunderball" (1965). She played the girl at the Kiss Kiss Club who Bond whisks onto the dance floor trying to elude SPECTRE agents. This 41 year gap is the longest stretch between Bond film appearances.



At the big Casino Royale game, the lady sitting between Bond and Leighter (Madam Wu who briefly appeared earlier in the film) is played by Tsai Chin. She played Ling, the girl who helps to "kill" Bond in the pre-title sequence of "You Only Live Twice" (1967). This 39 year gap is the second longest stretch between Bond film appearances.

I should mention that Fans still argue about the YOLT scene. Who exactly is in on it? If Ling and the gunman are SPECTRE agents, why isn't Bond dead? If they're part of the set up, why act out the entire ruse? Oh well, Ling does give one of the raunchiest lines of the series ... "Darling, I give you very best duck."


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And now, 007 Christmas trivia...



001) Which Bond film prominently takes place at Christmas time?

002) Which film has a character named Christmas?

003) In which film does Bond refer to his gadget laden attache case as "a nasty little Christmas present"?

004) After receiving a gun and a radio from Q, a disappointed Bond says "It's not exactly Christmas" in which film?

005) Q says he built a voice modulator "for the kids last Christmas" in which film?

006) A contact agent tells Bond she's going "To take care of supervisor. When PIG goes his panel will light up like Christmas tree," in which film?

007) Bond quips to Q that he must get his "very novel" poison darts "in the stores for Christmas" in which film?

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Yes, it's a tough but fun bit of trivia if you're a fan of Bondom...


At the Ocean Club game, where Bond wins his Aston Martin, the lady sitting to the right of Dimitrios is played by Diane Hartford. Her first film appearance was a small part in "Thunderball" (1965). She played the girl at the Kiss Kiss Club who Bond whisks onto the dance floor trying to elude SPECTRE agents. This 41 year gap is the longest stretch between Bond film appearances.



At the big Casino Royale game, the lady sitting between Bond and Leighter (Madam Wu who briefly appeared earlier in the film) is played by Tsai Chin. She played Ling, the girl who helps to "kill" Bond in the pre-title sequence of "You Only Live Twice" (1967). This 39 year gap is the second longest stretch between Bond film appearances.

I should mention that Fans still argue about the YOLT scene. Who exactly is in on it? If Ling and the gunman are SPECTRE agents, why isn't Bond dead? If they're part of the set up, why act out the entire ruse? Oh well, Ling does have one of the raunchiest lines of the series ... "Darling, I give you very best duck."


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And now, 007 Christmas trivia...



001) Which Bond film prominently takes place at Christmas time?

002) Which film has a character named Christmas?

003) In which film does Bond refer to his gadget laden attache case as "a nasty little Christmas present"?

004) After receiving a gun and a radio from Q, a disappointed Bond says "It's not exactly Christmas" in which film?

005) Q says he built a voice modulator "for the kids last Christmas" in which film?

006) A contact agent tells Bond she's going "To take care of supervisor. When PIG goes his panel will light up like Christmas tree," in which film?

007) Bond quips to Q that he must get his "very novel" poison darts "in the stores for Christmas" in which film?

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001: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (it even features an original Christmas Song).
002: The World is not Enough.
003: I am not positive, but I would guess From Russia With Love based on the gadget.
004: Skyfall
005: I am not sure and do not have a good guess.
006: The Living Daylights
007: Moonraker

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The voice modulator must refer to Diamonds Are Forever and Blofeld's use of it to imitate the voice of Willard Whyte. Later Q builds one for Bond to use to imitate Whyte's (now Blofeld's) right hand man Bert Saxby's voice to fool Blofeld into giving up the location of where Whyte was being held captive.

And the reason I know that answer cold is that I actually like Diamonds are Forever, a lot. The Vegas genre, you quite understand. I've watched and rewatched that Bond flick more than a few times.
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December 26th, 2021 at 7:40:27 PM permalink

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1) On her Majesties secret service
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001: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (it even features an original Christmas Song).
002: The World is not Enough.
003: I am not positive, but I would guess From Russia With Love based on the gadget.
004: Skyfall
005: I am not sure and do not have a good guess.
006: The Living Daylights
007: Moonraker


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The voice modulator must refer to Diamonds Are Forever and Blofeld's use of it to imitate the voice of Willard Whyte. Later Q builds one for Bond to use to imitate Whyte's (now Blofeld's) right hand man Bert Saxby's voice to fool Blofeld into giving up the location of where Whyte was being held captive.

And the reason I know that answer cold is that I actually like Diamonds are Forever, a lot. The Vegas genre, you quite understand. I've watched and rewatched that Bond flick more than a few times.

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Correct!!!

Although, surprisingly, several Bond films reference Christmas, only "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" actually dwells on the holiday. There's Christmas trees, presents, lots of snow, a Christmas carnival and (as Gandler points out above) its own Christmas song. Even Blofeld takes some time away from his plans to kill millions of people to enjoy the season.


After OHMSS, "The World is Not Enough" is probably the second most Christmasy Bond film. It has snow, skiing and a character named Christmas who doesn't like jokes about her name.


"From Russia With Love" contains the first 007 Christmas reference as Q gives Bond what is arguably the most useful all around gadget of the series.


Q finally shows up to the Daniel Craig era in "Skyfall". As Bond notes, he isn't your dad's quartermaster.


A quick Q joke in a hard to find (on youtube) scene from "Diamonds Are Forever". (Cued Video)


This Christmas tree line comes from one of the funnier scenes in "The Living Daylights".


The quip takes place in M's office during Bond's "Moonraker" briefing. (Cued Video)



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