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USpapergames
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December 12th, 2020 at 12:29:46 AM permalink
Am I correct that there truly is no such thing as advantage slot play? There is no way to gain an advantage from the actual "slot" game but there are ways to gain an edge at getting jackpots & bonuses that can then affect the stot game???
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December 12th, 2020 at 12:31:45 AM permalink
No, you are not correct.
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December 12th, 2020 at 12:45:41 AM permalink
There is such a thing as casinos driving their customers away by tightening their machines week after week after week.
USpapergames
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December 12th, 2020 at 12:59:26 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

No, you are not correct.



Can you please explain or share an example? I'm not sure how someone could gain an advantage from just the slot outcomes, not including the jackpots or bonuses. Almost sounds to me like the machine has to be set to pay out more than it collects in order for a player to gain an edge this way :/

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December 12th, 2020 at 1:55:21 AM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

Can you please explain or share an example? I'm not sure how someone could gain an advantage from just the slot outcomes, not including the jackpots or bonuses. Almost sounds to me like the machine has to be set to pay out more than it collects in order for a player to gain an edge this way :/

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For the most part you are correct. You need something special or extra going on. There's many different situations that can be +Ev, like a progressive(I assume that's what you mean by a jackpot) a promotion/ marketing department/ slot club or even some type of a glitch.

There are machines you can vulture. Call them what you want, accumulator slots/ banking slots/variable State slots. This is where someone plays the machine and builds up value but leaves the machine before they collect that built up value. And now you come along and only play when those values are built up to over 100% Payback and then stop once you've collected the value.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
teliot
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December 12th, 2020 at 8:40:52 AM permalink
This book is by a guy who used a method that is still widely used to beat slots, namely, exploiting must-hit-by progressives:

https://www.amazon.com/Million-Dollar-Slots-Peter-Liston/dp/0987272969/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=million+dollar+slot&qid=1607791225&sr=8-2
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December 12th, 2020 at 8:43:58 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

This book is by a guy who used a method that is still widely used to beat slots, namely, exploiting must-hit-by progressives:

https://www.amazon.com/Million-Dollar-Slots-Peter-Liston/dp/0987272969/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=million+dollar+slot&qid=1607791225&sr=8-2



I still have not read that book. I should probably download it to my Kindle so the next time I take a trip I will have something interesting to read on the plane.
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December 12th, 2020 at 8:58:06 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

This book is by a guy who used a method that is still widely used to beat slots, namely, exploiting must-hit-by progressives:

https://www.amazon.com/Million-Dollar-Slots-Peter-Liston/dp/0987272969/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=million+dollar+slot&qid=1607791225&sr=8-2



I didn't buy his book because I understood that his methods for beat must-hits pertained mostly to Australia where he lives.

The meter movements and other gambling aspects of the mechanics of must-hits in Australia are different than elsewhere and made his ability to win possible there but not so possible elsewhere.

EDIT: I had to look up the type of machines he was beating. Something called Pokies! A form of Must-hit different from the ones here in the USA and elsewhere.
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teliot
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December 12th, 2020 at 9:03:11 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I didn't buy his book because I understood that his methods for beat must-hits pertained mostly to Australia where he lives.

The meter movements and other gambling aspects of the mechanics of must-hits in Australia are different than elsewhere and made his ability to win possible there but not so possible elsewhere.

I am not sure what he includes in the book, but I heard him speak at the World Game Protection Conference many years ago. During the talk he posted a formula that took into account the increment of the progressive (meter movement, as you say), its must-hit-by amount, and the h/a of the slot and output when it was profitable to play the slot. That formula was pretty simple, and I would expect it would apply just as well to must-hit-by progressives in every jurisdiction. But, I don't know that for sure. I cannot say if that formula is in his book. Judging by the reviews of his book on Amazon, I would speculate that it is not.

The way he explained hit, he was responsible for the worldwide glut of must-hit-by vultures and the good old days are long gone.
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December 12th, 2020 at 9:09:50 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

I am not sure what he includes in the book, but I heard him speak at the World Game Protection Conference many years ago. During the talk he posted a formula that took into account the increment of the progressive (meter movement, as you say), its must-hit-by amount, and the h/a of the slot and output when it was profitable to play the slot. That formula was pretty simple, and I would expect it would apply just as well to must-hit-by progressives in every jurisdiction. But, I don't know that for sure. I cannot say if that formula is in his book. Judging by the reviews of his book on Amazon, I would speculate that it is not.

The way he explained hit, he was responsible for the worldwide glut of must-hit-by vultures and the good old days are long gone.



To be fair to the book and my own interests piqued I just ordered a copy so I will give my own review in a few weeks.

But in case you missed my edit to my post above, the book primarily is about a type of must-hits slot in Australia called Pokies.
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