odd craps game

I recently read about an Indian casino in upstate New York that offers an odd type of craps. In their game, 2 and 3 lose on the comeout, and 7 and 11 win. On any other number, the player can choose to pick his bet up without a penalty, or stay in the action.
It seems to me that simply by negating a loss on 12, the pass-line player now has an advantage.
Do you get a bigger advantage by picking up bets when the point is anything other than 6 or 8?
If the player is playng at an advantage, is the best strategy to bet the pass line only, and not take odds, because odds is an even-money bet and the player has better than even odds on the pass line?
Five card Charlie

If this game actually exists as described, it would be the first time I have genuinely been tempted to play the doey-don't, picking up the pass bet once a point is set. If the same rule were to apply on come bets, I would play the doey-don't come on every roll after the come out, too.

I have a feeling, though, that it is only the don't bets that can be picked up "without a penalty".

Quote: fivecard

I recently read about an Indian casino in upstate New York that offers an odd type of craps. In their game, 2 and 3 lose on the comeout, and 7 and 11 win. On any other number, the player can choose to pick his bet up without a penalty, or stay in the action.
It seems to me that simply by negating a loss on 12, the pass-line player now has an advantage.
Do you get a bigger advantage by picking up bets when the point is anything other than 6 or 8?
If the player is playng at an advantage, is the best strategy to bet the pass line only, and not take odds, because odds is an even-money bet and the player has better than even odds on the pass line?
Five card Charlie

The game can't possibly be the way you described it. The proper strategy would be for the player to ALWAYS pick up his bet after the comeout, meaning he would win if a 7 or 11 came out (8 combinations) and lose if a 2 or 3 came out (3 combinations), so the player would win 8 out of every 11 bets, for a 266% advantage. Not bloody likely.

Quote: mkl654321

so the player would win 8 out of every 11 bets, for a 266% advantage. Not bloody likely.

LOL. Thats for sure. One broke casino within just a few days if it really was that way.

Quote: mkl654321

The game can't possibly be the way you described it. The proper strategy would be for the player to ALWAYS pick up his bet after the comeout, meaning he would win if a 7 or 11 came out (8 combinations) and lose if a 2 or 3 came out (3 combinations), so the player would win 8 out of every 11 bets, for a 266% advantage. Not bloody likely.

I have to agree 100% with mkl.
The casino would be off their rocker!
Any don't pass bet can be picked up after a point is established. That is a basic rule of Craps.

a 266% advantage? You mean the pass would win 2.67 times more than lose.
8/11 win
3/11 lose
5/11 or 45.4545% pass line advantage

Quote: fivecard

I recently read about an Indian casino in upstate New York that offers an odd type of craps. In their game, 2 and 3 lose on the comeout, and 7 and 11 win. On any other number, the player can choose to pick his bet up without a penalty, or stay in the action.

Where did you find this information?

Quote: guido111

Where did you find this information?

And where is this Casino. I live in Upstate!! We have the Turning Stone outside of Syracuse or the Seneca Niagara in Niagara Falls.

Quote: guido111

Where did you find this information?

He (mis-)read about it in the Seneca Allegany thread about the Experienced Craps Player. Folks, it doesn't exist!

Yes, it's the Seneca Allegany Casino & Hotel in Salamanca, NY. The description I read did not specify that the offer applied only to don't bets, but that certainly makes sense, from the casino's pouint of view (and solvency).
Fivecard

Discussed here: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/3500-experienced-craps-player

And yes, that would be the most player-advantageous rule in the universe.

Quote: fivecard

Yes, it's the Seneca Allegany Casino & Hotel in Salamanca, NY. The description I read did not specify that the offer applied only to don't bets, but that certainly makes sense, from the casino's pouint of view (and solvency).
Fivecard

Allowing a person to pick up their don't bets is a standard craps rule, FWIW. Not letting a player pick their don't bet up after the point is established would be fine with me too, since it's not a good idea to ever do that anyway :-P

So... This "Experienced Craps Player" just found out that he can pick up his DP bet after the come-out. Then he can't figure out why he lost all his money. Wait till he figures out that all of us "Don't" players hope and pray to make it through the come-out so we can leave the damn thing there!