shreck24
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June 2nd, 2019 at 1:56:06 PM permalink
I have been reading about the baccarat shift 5 betting system. I don't understand a few things.

1. How does the 5 hand sequence affect what the next 5 hand sequence is supposed to do? Are we just looking for runs?
2. What happens with tie bets? How do you record? Are these hands just ignored?
3. Which hands are you comparing to in the sequence? Is hand 11 getting compared to hand 6?
4. Is there a bet progression that is supposed to go along with this method?

Can anyone help me out? Has anyone tried this with any success?
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June 2nd, 2019 at 2:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: shreck24

I have been reading about the baccarat shift 5 betting system. I don't understand a few things.

1. How does the 5 hand sequence affect what the next 5 hand sequence is supposed to do? Are we just looking for runs?
2. What happens with tie bets? How do you record? Are these hands just ignored?
3. Which hands are you comparing to in the sequence? Is hand 11 getting compared to hand 6?
4. Is there a bet progression that is supposed to go along with this method?

Can anyone help me out? Has anyone tried this with any success?



Hi, and welcome.

In baccarat, each hand is independent of the last result. Streaks don't mean anything. Please don't waste any money buying baccarat systems - they all depend on what's called Gambler's Fallacy, which is the brain's tendency to create patterns out of randomness.

Bet progressions, in general, can work for a while, until they don't. You either run out of money to make your max bet and recover your losses, or you can't make the necessary max bet because of the table maximum.

There are a few baccarat sidebets that can be counted with some success. The basic game, not really.

The particular system you're asking about, I am not familiar with, so I won't try to debunk it or explain it.

I suggest you read the link below about baccarat systems. Dr. Jacobson is a mathematical gaming expert, and explains things better than I do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.888casino.com/blog/baccarat-tips/baccarat-angst%3famp
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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June 2nd, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM permalink
I'll save the detailed content for myself, but basically, a set deck of cards is not entirely random. Something like a pair of dice that are reset to a completely fresh start each time, is much closer to random.
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June 2nd, 2019 at 3:35:37 PM permalink
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The particular system you're asking about, I am not familiar with, so I won't try to debunk it or explain it.


If I am reading it right, it works like this:

First of all, ignore ties when implementing this.
It is called Shift Five because you base each bet on the result from five hands ago.
You are in one of two statuses - "with" the shift, or "against" it.
You start out in "with" status.
When you are in "with" status, bet the same result as the hand five hands ago (i.e. if player won five hands ago, bet player; if bank won, bet bank).
When you are in "against" status, bet the opposite result.
When you win, keep your current status.
When you lose, change to the other status.
There is one exception: if you lose four hands in a row, keep switching status on each hand until you have a win followed by a loss.
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June 2nd, 2019 at 5:07:59 PM permalink
That is the thing that doesn't make any sense at all to me. I don't believe in betting systems. I know that each hand in any shoe game is independent of the previous hands. I wasn't sure how any hand in Baccarat would relate to the prior hands in the shoe. It didn't make sense. I am not the mathematician nor will I ever claim to be, but this strategy just seems plain crazy. If we relate it to blackjack, would it be the same as saying that in hand 9 I got a 19, so I am looking for a 19 every x amount of hands?

The premise of the system can be found by googling it and it keeps a plus minus but not for a count. The plus minus is for trends. The trends are kept up on the scoreboard so this seems kind of redundant.
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June 2nd, 2019 at 9:11:41 PM permalink
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That is the thing that doesn't make any sense at all to me. I don't believe in betting systems. I know that each hand in any shoe game is independent of the previous hands. I wasn't sure how any hand in Baccarat would relate to the prior hands in the shoe. It didn't make sense. I am not the mathematician nor will I ever claim to be, but this strategy just seems plain crazy. If we relate it to blackjack, would it be the same as saying that in hand 9 I got a 19, so I am looking for a 19 every x amount of hands?

The premise of the system can be found by googling it and it keeps a plus minus but not for a count. The plus minus is for trends. The trends are kept up on the scoreboard so this seems kind of redundant.



All good, then. You keep your head about you, play for entertainment if you like, don't get sucked in on systems. I agree (thanks to TDG for breaking it down a bit above), it's crazy and redundant.
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