Is this a amazing winning roulette strategy?
You see 3 12 29 3 . . . You start betting on 3 . . . After 9 losses it hits the tenth time . . . You get 350 minus the 45 you wagered . . . Total profit 305 chips. ???
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To be blunt, this is a pretty awful plan. The one most key factor here is that roulette spins are independent trials. Thus, the ball has no memory. Basing a system on the memory of the ball is completely pointless.Quote: zeldastrike321You sit down at a roulette table and start tracking numbers. As soon as the first number you see repeat within a cycle of 36 spins you start betting on that number and increase your bet by 1 each time until a win. If it repeats again you make a substantial profit. Example:
You see 3 12 29 3 . . . You start betting on 3 . . . After 9 losses it hits the tenth time . . . You get 350 minus the 45 you wagered . . . Total profit 305 chips. ???
All you're doing is upping your Avg Bet at the game, and taking each spin as it is, with a 5.26% house edge. Thus, the more you bet, the more you will lose in the long run. To counter your example, let's say 3 doesn't hit for another 50 spins, which is fairly likely considering the 3 to land is already a 1/38. How much are you down now?
The best strategy for roulette is only play with the amount you are comfortable losing, and only play to have fun.
The second best strategy for roulette is hope you get lucky early on and win a little bit, then never play roulette again for the rest of your life.
You're missing the point. Say it doesn't hit for 200 spins. Also, what are your actual betting units. Even at a $5 table the max is usually like $500 inside on a number or something. That's only 100 units, which you can't go over.Quote: zeldastrike321The plan is based on the idea that the number is a hot number due to repeat more sooner than other number due to either wheel bias or dealer signature but let's say it hits at 50 spins then you wagered 1202 and won 1750 ... profit is still 448 . . . But it should hit before you get to this point.
Also, to blindly assume a bias of some sort because a number happen to come up 2 times within the length of the screen is just wow of an assumption. That's not even getting in to no bias and you just think the number is "hot" (which it's not - it's completely independent from every other spin).
No offense, but you have a totally failed logic on this. You will definitely lose money in the longrun. You will most likely lose money in the shortrun as well unless you're super lucky. You're better off learning basic strategy and playing at a really bad 6/5 bj table than using your strategy in roulette. Go play at a $10 baccarat at Circus circus. If you REALLY want to try it, go to Jokers Wild. They are advertising $0.25 a chip roulette. Hopefully you won't lose much. I really hate seeing players lose money (especially uninformed gamblers).
Quote: SiegfriedRoyI really hate seeing players lose money (especially uninformed gamblers).
Do gamblers have uniforms? Maybe we should.
Quote: gordonm888Do gamblers have uniforms? Maybe we should.
i said unINFORMED, not uniformed. But, yes we should have uniforms. Red uniforms for card counters, black for other AP-types, green for ploppies, blue for 21 year olds, and white tang tops for hot women.
Quote: gordonm888Do gamblers have uniforms? Maybe we should.
Systems players need straight jackets.
Quote: IbeatyouracesSystems players need straight jackets.
LOL
Quote: SiegfriedRoyi said unINFORMED, not uniformed. But, yes we should have uniforms. Red uniforms for card counters, black for other AP-types, green for ploppies, blue for 21 year olds, and white tang tops for hot women.
Adidas tracksuit for high rollers.
Yes - sadly amazingly bad.Quote: zeldastrike321Is this a[n] amazing winning roulette strategy?
Sorry but unless you have detected a bias or some way to determine which sector the ball will land in, there is no sure way to beat roulette.
Your best strategy is to play for fun. By waiting for some specific outcome to appear before you start playing does help as it doesn't cost you anything (except drinks) waiting. Then the best strategy depends on what you are trying to achieve.
Personally here's a "system" I used sometime ago when playing for fun where your bankroll is $20 (although I was playing on a 25p table). You bet the minimum on a specific set of numbers (say $1 on 8/11 and $1 on 30, or 28/29/30; 7/8/10/11 [; 23]). If it comes in then press the bet and repeat if it comes in a second time. You can ramp up the bets according to your target where your maximum happens if you get 3 hits in a row. With the former you have 10 tries (10x$2). Depending on how many numbers you use and your ramping algorithm, you will usually lose the lot but occasionally win a "small", "medium" or "large" amount. I'll leave it to the reader to develop the values required and show the payback is about 92% due to wagering money up to three times.
if you know the wheel has bias you would NOT bet 1 more unit after a loss until it hits.Quote: zeldastrike321The plan is based on the idea
that the number
is a
hot number
due
to repeat
more sooner than other number
due to either wheel bias or dealer signature
but let's say it hits at 50 spins then you wagered 1202 and won 1750 ... profit is still 448 . . .
But it should hit before you get to this point.
that is not using math to your benefit at all.
even hot #s can go to sleep.
happens all the time. you should know this
looks like about a 26% chance the hot # you bet on will NOT hit within 50 spins (00)
ouch!
just under 26% for (0)
a Roulette number is just like a little kid
almost at any point, they just fall fast asleep
sounds like me too
Sally
Cataracts do the same thing to me.Quote: gordonm888Do gamblers have uniforms? Maybe we should.
If you don't know what that number is, ask the little white ball. If it can't tell you, no one else can either.
the time. Only play it when it's
working!!
Quote: MrVZelda, there are hot chicks that can be hit on more frequently than the norm, but not hot roulette numbers.
Unfortunately for me I know more about roulette than I do about women. :(
I know gambling is a losing game and whenever I visit I see people losing and losing over and over and keep reaching into their pockets to lose more? whats the point of this? I know there are many losers but have there been any winners who have ever beaten the casino?
Quote: zeldastrike321So if there is no winning strategy in roulette or blackjack or baccarat or any other gambling game then what is the point of gambling? Surely there must be some winners out of all the losers? Why are people excited to gamble and go rushing to Vegas and casinos if the only outlook they have is losing? What's the point of casinos and even this forum if the whole vibe is negativity from gambling? I know there's house edge and the casino will always make money long term but what about all the top gamblers who have made fortunes out of this are they doing something that the masses don't know about? like pro poker players or the highest earning gamblers?
I know gambling is a losing game and whenever I visit I see people losing and losing over and over and keep reaching into their pockets to lose more? whats the point of this? I know there are many losers but have there been any winners who have ever beaten the casino?
Define "winning" and "losing."
Quote: zeldastrike321winning is making money from the casino - coming out on top - as opposed to losing - which is depleting your bankroll slowly or fast in the short or long term
To me, winning is being able to make a living playing with an edge. Losing is the opposite. You cannot make a living nor can you rely on these systems for long term viability. You have to have some sort of edge over the game, no matter what anyone else tells you.
Quote: zeldastrike321So if there is no winning strategy in roulette or blackjack or baccarat or any other gambling game then what is the point of gambling? Surely there must be some winners out of all the losers? Why are people excited to gamble and go rushing to Vegas and casinos if the only outlook they have is losing? What's the point of casinos and even this forum if the whole vibe is negativity from gambling? I know there's house edge and the casino will always make money long term but what about all the top gamblers who have made fortunes out of this are they doing something that the masses don't know about? like pro poker players or the highest earning gamblers?
I know gambling is a losing game and whenever I visit I see people losing and losing over and over and keep reaching into their pockets to lose more? whats the point of this? I know there are many losers but have there been any winners who have ever beaten the casino?
There are winning strategies such as card counting for blackjack, and other methods like hole carding for blackjack and other card games. You can win short-term and run away with your winnings. Your method is as good as my roulette method of betting random numbers. This is not us telling you your strategy doesn't work, it's probability and math. The notion of hot numbers is false. The ball has no memory. It will land anywhere with equal chance. The repeat numbers you're seeing is variance. If anybody can predict variance on this forum, we would be in the casinos raking in hundreds of thousands or millions. There is a reason why casinos spend tens of thousands of dollars to put a board up there with the history of numbers. It's to give the misINFORMED the illusion that there is a pattern. It makes you want to bet with more confidence. Casinos wouldn't do anything if they knew it gives the players advantage (just think about it). You're not the first to talk about trends and hot numbers in roulette and you won't be the last. I am really not in the business of discouraging you to not make money. However, I'm soft hearted and hate to see many members come to this forum thinking they have a "system" and go lose their house. There is a reason why the Wizard of Vegas has a prize for somebody who comes up with a winning system. I think the prize is $10K. Nobody has been able to crack it in the long-run. The reason is math. You're probably going to come back and say you were only talking about "short-term." Even in short-term your "system" is not a "system." It's just a faulty way of thinking there are hot numbers when all it is coincidence and probability. Can the number 3 hit twice in a row? Sure it can. 3 times? Absolutely. Three times in 10 rolls? Yes, we're all seen them. That doesn't mean there is going to be another 3 in the next 10, 20 or 30 rolls.
Quote: zeldastrike321So if there is no winning strategy in roulette or blackjack or baccarat or any other gambling game then what is the point of gambling? Surely there must be some winners out of all the losers? Why are people excited to gamble and go rushing to Vegas and casinos if the only outlook they have is losing? What's the point of casinos and even this forum if the whole vibe is negativity from gambling? I know there's house edge and the casino will always make money long term but what about all the top gamblers who have made fortunes out of this are they doing something that the masses don't know about? like pro poker players or the highest earning gamblers?
I know gambling is a losing game and whenever I visit I see people losing and losing over and over and keep reaching into their pockets to lose more? whats the point of this? I know there are many losers but have there been any winners who have ever beaten the casino?
Most people that beat the casino do it by luck. They hit a slot machine early on and if it is big enough to be life changing, so be it.
Others slowly beat the casinos in blackjack or video poker but that's not a get rich quick scheme. That's a put a quarter a week into your IRA and in X years you will have saved so much.
A hundred people gather for a bingo game. They each pay a dollar. The winner got $90. The house made $10.
99 people lost a dollar.
Quote: zeldastrike321So if there is no winning strategy in roulette or blackjack or baccarat or any other gambling game then what is the point of gambling?
Gambling is fun. That's why I do it.
Winning is great, but I know walking into the casino that in the long run the casino will have me for lunch.
So why gamble?
That's really a damned good question, given the above.
I am a recreational gambler and gamble for fun, for the stimulation.
Rarely does anybody ever say I made $300 at my job today. However you will often times hear how someone won $300 at the casino today.
Quote: SiegfriedRoyThere are winning strategies such as card counting for blackjack, and other methods like hole carding for blackjack and other card games. You can win short-term and run away with your winnings. Your method is as good as my roulette method of betting random numbers. This is not us telling you your strategy doesn't work, it's probability and math. The notion of hot numbers is false. The ball has no memory. It will land anywhere with equal chance. The repeat numbers you're seeing is variance. If anybody can predict variance on this forum, we would be in the casinos raking in hundreds of thousands or millions. There is a reason why casinos spend tens of thousands of dollars to put a board up there with the history of numbers. It's to give the misINFORMED the illusion that there is a pattern. It makes you want to bet with more confidence. Casinos wouldn't do anything if they knew it gives the players advantage (just think about it). You're not the first to talk about trends and hot numbers in roulette and you won't be the last. I am really not in the business of discouraging you to not make money. However, I'm soft hearted and hate to see many members come to this forum thinking they have a "system" and go lose their house. There is a reason why the Wizard of Vegas has a prize for somebody who comes up with a winning system. I think the prize is $10K. Nobody has been able to crack it in the long-run. The reason is math. You're probably going to come back and say you were only talking about "short-term." Even in short-term your "system" is not a "system." It's just a faulty way of thinking there are hot numbers when all it is coincidence and probability. Can the number 3 hit twice in a row? Sure it can. 3 times? Absolutely. Three times in 10 rolls? Yes, we're all seen them. That doesn't mean there is going to be another 3 in the next 10, 20 or 30 rolls.
what about those individuals who tracked tens of thousands of spins at a roulette wheel and then found biased number through a computer application and played those numbers and won hundreds of thousands or millions. There's a documentary on youtube about it. Do such biased wheels still exist?
"In the early 1990s, Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo believed that casino roulette wheels were not perfectly random, and that by recording the results and analysing them with a computer, he could gain an edge on the house by predicting that certain numbers were more likely to occur next than the 1-in-36 odds offered by the house suggested. This he did at the Casino de Madrid in Madrid, Spain, winning 600,000 euros in a single day, and one million euros in total. Legal action against him by the casino was unsuccessful, it being ruled that the casino should fix its wheel.[11][12]
To defend against exploits like these, many casinos use tracking software, use wheels with new designs, rotate wheel heads, and randomly rotate pocket rings.[13]" from wikipedia
Ibeatyouraces is right. It is a form of Advance Play. IF it is even possibly today, you’ll need a team to scout and record all the roulette tables and their rolls to probably tens of thousands to rolls to see if there is even a statistically significance to it being biased. I’m not as mathematically inclined like many of these experts are but I may be underestimating the number of tens of thousands. It may be hundreds of thousands perhaps. Maybe this will paint a better picture. A larger sample size vs your short term “hot numbers” are vastly different.
The only outlook is uncertainty: The knowledge that you don't know if a wager will leave you richer or poorer. Adrenaline either way.Quote: zeldastrike321Why are people excited to gamble and go rushing to Vegas and casinos if the only outlook they have is losing?
Nothing negative about understanding the nature of probability.Quote:What's the point of casinos and even this forum if the whole vibe is negativity from gambling?
I've won more than I've lost. Does that make me a winner? Does that mean I've beaten the casino? I was just lucky. It was fun, so nothing to explain or justify.Quote:I know there are many losers but have there been any winners who have ever beaten the casino?
There are some players of skill games such as poker and sports betters, who may be at an advantage. They are extremely rare. There are con men who make a living out of selling useless systems to gullible fools. That latter group are not welcome here. Anyone ignorant enough to try to push martingale or similar systems here as anything more than a fun way of losing money, will get their ideas shredded and rightly, ridiculed.
Some members here know how to exploit certain casino weaknesses. These are the true advantage players. That includes a subset who are skilled enough to get an edge in blackjack. There are also fools here who claim to be able to beat craps or roulette. They know who they are and some post here, spouting nonsense. just to be mischievous.
Craps, Bac, and blackjack (unless you are counting), same thing. I can play all of those games for 15-20 minutes, and then it just gets repetitive.
Slot machines at least have fun pictures and TV clips. (I can only play those for 15 minutes too).
I think I might be getting too old for all of this.
Huh? Did I leave my webcam on again?Quote: vipescortindubayou are gorgeous
Quote: zeldastrike321wheel bias or dealer signature
If there is a wheel bias and you correctly identify it, then yes, you could make money consistently. However, seeing a single number twice in a small sample is WAY more likely to be random than it is to be evidence of a true wheel bias.
If for some ungodly reason I was ever forced to play roulette your idea can be no worse than any other, and has the tiniest chance of actually being better.
Quote: TigerWuNo. There is no "winning" strategy for roulette. You will always lose in the long run.
The best strategy for roulette is only play with the amount you are comfortable losing, and only play to have fun.
The second best strategy for roulette is hope you get lucky early on and win a little bit, then never play roulette again for the rest of your life.
Good point. I've heard countless stories of people who were up big money early on and didn't leave and ended up not only losing all the big money but all or most of their bankroll. I remember a woman on another gambling website saying something like"Within a few minutes I won enough to pay my mortgage and my car payment for this month,but I didn't leave. I wanted to make sure I had enough money to pay next month's mortgage and car payment too. I ended up losing all the money. I could have paid this month off but got greedy and lost it all. I felt so stupid and irresponsible." A guy said a woman won like $5,000 on her very first hand within 5 minutes and she said"I'm not leaving! I just got here!" The guy left the table after she said that. That could end up really badly for her. :/
Quote: SiegfriedRoyZelda,
Ibeatyouraces is right. It is a form of Advance Play. IF it is even possibly today, you’ll need a team to scout and record all the roulette tables and their rolls to probably tens of thousands to rolls to see if there is even a statistically significance to it being biased. I’m not as mathematically inclined like many of these experts are but I may be underestimating the number of tens of thousands. It may be hundreds of thousands perhaps. Maybe this will paint a better picture. A larger sample size vs your short term “hot numbers” are vastly different.
Yes, your definitely right, the so called "hot numbers" appearing in a very small sample size is not enough to say those numbers are going to appear more often in the future. However, if the possibility of there being a wheel bias is present in most wheels, would it not be worth getting that team to record numbers for tens of thousands of spins. I mean the hard work will pay off when you find those special numbers and start betting and winning large amounts of money?
No. It would not!Quote: zeldastrike321would it not be worth getting that team to record numbers for tens of thousands of spins.
Maybe you need to up your bets. Not being sure of your financial situation, try betting black chips on the pass line with full 3-4-5 odds, and also make some come bets for the same amount. See if that keeps your attention.Quote: FinsRuleRoulette is so boring. How could anyone play it for more than a couple of spins?
Craps, Bac, and blackjack (unless you are counting), same thing. I can play all of those games for 15-20 minutes, and then it just gets repetitive.
Slot machines at least have fun pictures and TV clips. (I can only play those for 15 minutes too).
I think I might be getting too old for all of this.
For me the fun at a nice casino is not just the continual betting but also the drinks, pretty women, fun atmosphere.
Quote: AceMaybe you need to up your bets. Not being sure of your financial situation, try betting black chips on the pass line with full 3-4-5 odds, and also make some come bets for the same amount. See if that keeps your attention.
For me the fun at a nice casino is not just the continual betting but also the drinks, pretty women, fun atmosphere.
I get it. But even a coin toss is exciting if you're gonna have $1000 riding on it.
I just prefer games that have some thinking involved.
Craps is a lot of fun when you're winning, but pretty much everything is.
Quote: OnceDearNo. It would not!
So making millions in a day or two isn't incentive enough for you?
Quote: SOOPOOIf there is a wheel bias and you correctly identify it, then yes, you could make money consistently. However, seeing a single number twice in a small sample is WAY more likely to be random than it is to be evidence of a true wheel bias.
If for some ungodly reason I was ever forced to play roulette your idea can be no worse than any other, and has the tiniest chance of actually being better.
So why haven't you tried it out yet? Have you ever tried to track numbers for the purpose of determining a wheel bias?
Quote: zeldastrike321Have you ever tried to track numbers for the purpose of determining a wheel bias?
It’s on my bucket list.
I gave the answer for free. If you want the explanation, it would cost you more than you can afford.Quote: zeldastrike321So making millions in a day or two isn't incentive enough for you?
Quote: zeldastrike321So making millions in a day or two isn't incentive enough for you?
I am pretty convinced that Casinos track the wheels already. They already have the board. The roulette bias team from Spain were pioneers and did that decades ago. I’m pretty convinced that with better technology and laser precision, I believe the wheels are better suited to minimize biases. Also, I believe going back to my original point: casinos are probably tracking the bias. If they find one that’s really off, they probably swap it out. Even if you DO find a bias, casinos are not going to sit there a win hundreds of thousands of dollars. They’re going to be watching you and will think something is up. If you’re so inclined to try it, go ahead and knock yourself out.
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Eh. Human variance is my reason why roulette is do difficult to attempt to track #s or bias.
When i learned to deal this, I was told to spin differently every single time. Whether its spinning the ball fast one spin, and slow another, or spinning the wheel fast with a slow ball, fast ball slow spin etc.etc.etc..
Maybe some places just dont require it, or its an old school practice..I see dealers just launch the ball every spin with the same wheel speed.
Im also left handed, and really terrible at snapping right handed to the point where i just stopped trying(and 9/10 wheels are right handed), so every spin is always different naturally lol
Quote: GlenGEh. Human variance is my reason why roulette is do difficult to attempt to track #s or bias.
When i learned to deal this, I was told to spin differently every single time. Whether its spinning the ball fast one spin, and slow another, or spinning the wheel fast with a slow ball, fast ball slow spin etc.etc.etc..
Maybe some places just dont require it, or its an old school practice..I see dealers just launch the ball every spin with the same wheel speed.
Im also left handed, and really terrible at snapping right handed to the point where i just stopped trying(and 9/10 wheels are right handed), so every spin is always different naturally lol
Glen,
Let’s say the wheel is spinning at a constant speed Do you think a dealer can practice releasing the ball at a certain point and influencing the drop to a certain section enough times to make it statistically significant?
