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October 7th, 2010 at 8:36:58 PM permalink
I have questions about betting on craps. I like betting by switching back and forth from pass and don't pass. Is this a problem? I have had dealers tell me that it's confusing. However, I do not like to stay on one side. I think of it as staying on either red or black when betting on roulette. Also, a dealer told me that coloring up is usually done when a player is done playing. Is this true? What if you have too many chips? I also have questions concerning coloring up. I colored up once and the boxman put the chips in the come area. I tried to get the chips and my hand ran into the dealer's hand. It hurt. He put the chips behind the pass line. So is it not ok to get the chips until they put it behind the pass line? I do not want to confuse the chips in the come area as a bet.
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October 7th, 2010 at 8:45:30 PM permalink
Switching back and forth between pass and don't pass should not be a problem. I don't see it much, but I don't see why it would be confusing. The dealers were right that it is proper etiquette to color up when you're done playing. If you have too many chips, then bet the smaller ones. Astute dealers will pay winnings with larger denominations. For example, if you have too many reds, and want to bet $50, then bet 10 reds rather than 2 greens. This goes for any game.
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October 7th, 2010 at 8:50:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Switching back and forth between pass and don't pass should not be a problem. I don't see it much, but I don't see why it would be confusing.


This is weird as I have had 2 dealers from different places tell me this. I think the reason why they find it confusing is because when they see a 7 out, they usually just take the chips from those who always bet on the pass line. If you switch back and forth, then they will have to pause and make sure which side you are on and then decide if they are supposed to pay you or take your bet. I personally find it really annoying to be pressured to stay on one side, but I do not know if this is how players usually do it as I am still a new player.
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October 7th, 2010 at 8:50:58 PM permalink
Switching your line bets between do and don't with subsequent come-out rolls should not be a problem if the dealer is awake. (Just don't do it while a point is set.) Asking for your chips to be colored up is normally done when leaving a table. An attentive dealer will make payouts with larger chips when he/she notes that you are getting a full rack, even sometimes giving more than the payout due and asking you to give change. That usually eliminates the need to color up early.

When you color up, the box man typically provides the larger chips that the base dealer doesn't have in front of him. The base dealer often places the chips in the "come" area temporarily if the dice are out or going out, so that you don't reach for them and possibly interfere with the roll. When the dice are back in the center, the base dealer will slide them toward you for you to pick up. The colored up chips in the "come" area will not be confused with a wager if the dealer is the one who places them there.


(Ooops! Sorry. Slow typist.)
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October 7th, 2010 at 9:33:18 PM permalink
So going in and out (like blackjack - betting sometimes and not betting sometimes) is also NOT a problem right? Because in BJ or other table games, it is a problem if you go in and out.
EDIT - If anyone has had the same experience I have had (dealers saying it is confusing if you switch back and forth) then please share it. If I remember correctly, one dealer just simply said it was confusing switching and another said the reason why is because they don't know when to cheer and when not to because they are not sure which side I was betting on since I switch all the time.
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October 7th, 2010 at 9:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: focd

So going in and out (like blackjack - betting sometimes and not betting sometimes) is also NOT a problem right? Because in BJ or other table games, it is a problem if you go in and out.



Nah, no one cares if you go in and out. I mean, if you're sitting out for a while, I'd be prepared to give your spot to someone who actually wants to bet, but if you want to sit out a come-out roll here or there, no one really minds.

If you want to shoot, of course, you have to do a pass/don't pass bet minimum.
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October 8th, 2010 at 2:33:09 AM permalink
Quote: focd

So going in and out (like blackjack - betting sometimes and not betting sometimes) is also NOT a problem right? Because in BJ or other table games, it is a problem if you go in and out.
EDIT - If anyone has had the same experience I have had (dealers saying it is confusing if you switch back and forth) then please share it.


Taking a pause in your betting at the craps table is fine, except of course at some Sweat The Money joint such as the Isle of Capri in Biloxi where they will actually have the floor speak to you about it. (You see now why I will never enter that casino again... or any casino owned by or managed by that company).

Such taking a break is actually good from time to time. I should do it more often but feel a psychological pressure to be making bets if I'm standing there at the rail with chips in my hand.

Confusion as to your being a Right Bettor/Wrong Bettor? Dealers, particularly if they are good dealers, should be able to anticipate your play but I don't see why it would confuse a dealer since most of his decisions are based on the position of the chips. However, I have had experienced dealers at top joints tell me they are confused when I switch from Wrong Betting to Right Betting in Mid-Roll. This is what I often do: Don't Pass on the ComeOutRoll, then one or two ComeBets and then the rest of the roll, I will be making DontCome bets. That seems to confuse them, but do I really care if a dealer is confused. It may mean I am doing something unusual but thats not my problem.

As to ColoringUp, you do not have to do it and may leave the table with a heap of low value chips if you wish.Its foolish to do it, but probably should be done if you are afraid that you will be "taxed" during color-up (another reason why I will never enter Isle of Capri, Biloxi). I think the problem is that when the play is fast and your focus in on the action, you tend to not feel there is time to count out chips from your rail. Atleast that is what happens to me. Greens and Reds and the annoying but obligatory whites ... its hard to stay mentally "there" and keep the chips neatly arranged as well. Atleast its hard for me.
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October 8th, 2010 at 4:51:10 AM permalink
Switching can be confusing. If a dealer tells you it's confusing, he's probably just letting you know that he might make a mistake and you should watch him. On the other hand, it can mean that he's not able to anticipate and remind you if you're missing a bet.

If you have a lot of whites, bet them! Also, if you're getting paid $14, a good dealer will give you three reds and ask for $1. Feel free to anticipate that by dropping the white before he gets to you.

Color up anytime you want, but, yeah, wait until the dealer pushes them out of the come box. They use the come box to count them out, and to allow you and surveilance to double check that what's going it is what's coming out.

And ALL tables (except poker) encourage you to color up before leaving.

Taking a break is not a problem, although you might not be allowed to re-enter at a BJ table with a "No Mid-Shoe Entry" rule.
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October 8th, 2010 at 6:29:40 AM permalink
I would make sure that you make it clear what bet you are on and that the dealer is aware of your switching back and forth.

Coloring up can be done between shooters at any time. You do want to avoid coloring up and then check changing. It can even be done between points as long as you are not stopping the play. If you color up between points, make it an expedient affair as possible, putting down your money in increments of black so it's very easy to pick up and count. Don't bother coloring up for green between points.

You don't take any colored up money from the center area or anywhere within the playing field. It must be shipped to you. The only time that you are allowed to pick up chips from the playing area should be a come bet winner (down and up) or a don't pass winner, in which case the winnings are placed alongside your bet. Your bets won't be confused as something else, especially color ups.

Of course, dealers will do anything for you if you tip.
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October 8th, 2010 at 6:45:21 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

As to ColoringUp, you do not have to do it and may leave the table with a heap of low value chips if you wish.Its foolish to do it, but probably should be done if you are afraid that you will be "taxed" during color-up (another reason why I will never enter Isle of Capri, Biloxi). I think the problem is that when the play is fast and your focus in on the action, you tend to not feel there is time to count out chips from your rail. Atleast that is what happens to me. Greens and Reds and the annoying but obligatory whites ... its hard to stay mentally "there" and keep the chips neatly arranged as well. Atleast its hard for me.


I feel the same way too as to not having enough time to count my chips on the rail. Do you feel that it is possible for boxmen to miscount chips? Sometimes I think - and I repeat, I think - they just divide them into 4 stacks without counting how many are in each stack (some dealers dismantle one stack so that it is clear how many are in each stack). It makes a difference because they usually do stacks of red chips in 5 and green chips in stacks of 4. If they sometimes make a mistake by putting green chips in stacks of 5, then I will be shortchanged by a huge amount! Sometimes I really don't want to color up my chips there and want to count it alone on the side. However, with other table games where they have limited low denomination chips - like BJ or 3 card for example, the dealers seem to want to chase you down to color up. Also, when you mean "taxed", do you mean a miscount?

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