Deck007
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July 26th, 2016 at 11:41:01 PM permalink
I play in the casino ship and hence not regulated.
My thinking is can the casino play with a “short deck” similar to BJ.
Can they take out some high or low cards and change the odds of the game. It is non-commission baccarat so they put in the extra “6” card.
Where I play most player bet on Banker as it appears more often and seems to be looking for streaks all the time. So it would make sense for the casino to change the odds in favour of Player and win more.
I play on the ETG and I can see the dealer cutting the deck of cards so all cards coming out from the shuffler cannot be changed.
Other than this I can think of no other way they can cheat. Ideally for them is if they can see the loading or betting on Banker and Player and adjust the odds by computer to give them maximum yield. They are using their own self-made ETG machine which they only use on their casino ships.
But you would have heard of them. They are the Genting Group which is a global casino company.
FleaStiff
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July 27th, 2016 at 1:58:32 AM permalink
Pls clarify: casino ship versus a cruise ship with a small casino on it.

On a cruise ship I would expect most players to be amateurs and would bet on the Player hand but Bankers hand does usually come out a smidgen ahead hence the customary five percent which for speed is often eliminated by a slight change in the rules.

If they get the cards pre-shuffled in a large cannister its likely its legit, even if its their own cannister.

There is no way they can change the cards 'on the fly' when betting by the players suddenly varies; the casino would be too worried about collaboration to allow such a set up. Dealers would have their friends show up and all bet Banker then Banker again but suddenly pull the bets back to Player to take advantage of some button having been pressed. Casinos don't care much about players but they do worry about Dealers and collaboration.

ETG ????
Deck007
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July 27th, 2016 at 2:23:37 AM permalink
ETG....... Electronic Table Game

Casino ship, cruise to nowhere, overnight cruise.

You are out of date. No more 5%commission. All no commission Banker win on 6 pays 1/2. Speed of play is much faster.
andysif
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July 27th, 2016 at 6:54:46 PM permalink
i REALLY REALLY REALLY don't understand why someone would accuse the casino of "cheating" when they are free to bet either Banker or Player.

if you think they arranged the cards to have more Player, then BET Player in stead of whining about it, for crying out loud.
AxelWolf
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July 27th, 2016 at 7:13:00 PM permalink
Quote: andysif

i REALLY REALLY REALLY don't understand why someone would accuse the casino of "cheating" when they are free to bet either Banker or Player.

if you think they arranged the cards to have more Player, then BET Player in stead of whining about it, for crying out loud.

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Wizardofnothing
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July 27th, 2016 at 8:38:35 PM permalink
Some of these theories just amaze me

Just think - the golden nugget arranged the cards in baccarat and the players figured out a way to beat that for millions lol
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gamerfreak
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July 27th, 2016 at 8:41:15 PM permalink
The house edge is only guaranteed in a random game. You can be sure the games are fair, if for no other reason than its in the casinos best interest.
Deck007
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July 27th, 2016 at 10:21:33 PM permalink
It is all non commission baccarat nowadays. Banker win on 6 pays 1/2.
Simple answer is if there are more "6" cards in the deck the HA goes up and the casino wins more.
sabre
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July 27th, 2016 at 11:30:11 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

It is all non commission baccarat nowadays.



No it isn't.
KingoftheEye
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July 29th, 2016 at 11:56:44 AM permalink
From what I've seen, it is only complete non-commission bac in very small casinos and in the un-washed masses area of big casinos. This is mainly due to game pace, a higher house edge, and ease of training staff. Most large market casinos still have standard baccarat at least in the high limit area because the players demand it. You probably should get out more.

Despite the conspiracy threads that pop up on here regularly, I have never heard of any court case where a major casino was proven to have messed with the deck, at least in this century.

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