Roulette Numbers, Will casino provide them.
May 16th, 2016 at 4:05:46 AM
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I was wondering if you asked a casino to provide you with a list of results from the last 48 hours, would they provide them? Is there a state requirement to do so? I have never really thought to ask. Any info would be obliged, thank you.
May 16th, 2016 at 4:54:31 AM
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If they have it they will happily provide it. Or for a month's data. Or years. If they have it they have already analyzed the data to ensure there is no bias. Just out of curiosity, of what use to you think the information will be for you?
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May 16th, 2016 at 5:57:03 AM
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I don't know if you could find a bias in 800 spins (give or take) but this is welcomed info as I believed I had read they would gladly hand this kind of info over if asked, just didn't know for sure. As for what it would be used for.. just another (fail) progression system. In fact, it did not take too long (through wizard of odds million sim) to trash my dreams lol.. Back to the drawing board.. Cheers.
May 16th, 2016 at 6:25:50 AM
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When I worked at the Venetian I asked if any record was kept of old numbers once they dropped off the display of the last x numbers. The answer I was told was "no."
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May 16th, 2016 at 6:39:51 AM
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Hmm, I guess I would have to speak with my local casino to get a finalized answer. I don't see why the wouldn't.. unless they are believers in the long term idea of "laws of probability". Thanks again for the info guys.
May 16th, 2016 at 7:30:11 AM
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They most likely don't keep it
And if they do then they would see whatever bias you would see, pretty much thing you are wasting your time
And if they do then they would see whatever bias you would see, pretty much thing you are wasting your time
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
May 16th, 2016 at 8:06:42 AM
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Most don't keep it, and if they do they won't share them with you for more than one reason... For one, 800 spins is a worthless amount to confirm a bias. Next, they don't need any bad publicity from someone that doesn't understand the difference between the short term and long run claiming to have numbers that confirm a bias/etc. Why would they release such information when all it could do is hurt them?
p.s. the minimum to confirm a bias is actually about 8,000 spins. You're not going to find a casino that stores that amount of information and certainly not one that will give it out to you. If you want that info you have to record them yourself.
p.s. the minimum to confirm a bias is actually about 8,000 spins. You're not going to find a casino that stores that amount of information and certainly not one that will give it out to you. If you want that info you have to record them yourself.
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May 16th, 2016 at 8:13:23 AM
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+1. I'm amazed sometimes
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May 16th, 2016 at 8:54:46 AM
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Why does everyone keep saying "Bias".. As I said in my first reply... I am not looking for a wheel bias. Thanks again for all the replies though.
May 16th, 2016 at 8:55:30 AM
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And I quote...
Quote: MugarlinI don't know if you could find a bias in 800 spins (give or take) but this is welcomed info as I believed I had read they would gladly hand this kind of info over if asked, just didn't know for sure. As for what it would be used for.. just another (fail) progression system. In fact, it did not take too long (through wizard of odds million sim) to trash my dreams lol.. Back to the drawing board.. Cheers.
May 16th, 2016 at 8:59:26 AM
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As I said.. I was looking for the last 48 hours.. and to be honest.. I would be happy with the last 5 (150 spins give or take)... Then again.. Roulette can't be beat, so wtf am I on about.. right?.. Thanks again for all the replies.. will simply ask my local casino.
May 16th, 2016 at 8:45:19 PM
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Quote:. For one, 800 spins is a worthless amount to confirm a bias.
No actually it's not. It depends on just how strong the bias is.
Quote:p.s. the minimum to confirm a bias is actually about 8,000 spins.
No, again it's actually not. It depends on just how defective the wheel is.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:20:34 PM
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Well, because anything else, such as regression to the mean in a small sample size, is just crazy talk.Quote: MugarlinWhy does everyone keep saying "Bias".. As I said in my first reply... I am not looking for a wheel bias. Thanks again for all the replies though.
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May 16th, 2016 at 10:09:43 PM
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So do casinos monitor all the results for bias, test the equipment at some interval, or just replace it after a set amount of time? The wheel has to wear out and develop imperfections at some point. If management is not observing, how do they know the game hasn't developed exploitable vulnerabilities? Perhaps they only look if the hold goes down?
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May 17th, 2016 at 8:47:20 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaSo do casinos monitor all the results for bias, test the equipment at some interval, or just replace it after a set amount of time? The wheel has to wear out and develop imperfections at some point. If management is not observing, how do they know the game hasn't developed exploitable vulnerabilities? Perhaps they only look if the hold goes down?
I think the mechanics perform some kind of test with a level on the wheel itself on a regular basis. If it failed, they would either try to fix it or replace it. I can say that at the Venetian I never saw any large sampling of roulette numbers because I don't think they existed.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 18th, 2016 at 2:55:39 AM
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If you only need 150 spins of data just go do that yourself, problem solved.
I would assume games like organic roulette has keeps a significant amount of spin data, i'm doubtful they would provide that easily. The board itself keeps a much longer history list than a regular roulette board.
It even highlights the hot numbers and breaks down the percentages for everything.
I would assume games like organic roulette has keeps a significant amount of spin data, i'm doubtful they would provide that easily. The board itself keeps a much longer history list than a regular roulette board.
It even highlights the hot numbers and breaks down the percentages for everything.
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