Wizardofnothing
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September 9th, 2016 at 8:13:44 AM permalink
If you are an ap on slots and haven't hit a jackpot then something is wrong ... That was why I said it.
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monet0412
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September 9th, 2016 at 10:23:29 AM permalink
Troll!
Wizardofnothing
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September 9th, 2016 at 10:26:57 AM permalink
I don't even need to reply to that lol
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KingoftheEye
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September 9th, 2016 at 10:34:48 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

I've been in Vegas over 20 years. Got backed off in BJ off the jump. Moved to poker till it got on TV. Moved to VP and Reels next. I make a decent living still with VP and reels. Not as good as 10-15 years ago but good enough for me. I've never been 86'd and never in trouble for playing progressives but I never really play with stations cause they are the evil empire! One thing I do often is tip everyone that has power to 86 me. I like to get management and hosts on my side and it seems to cover me in my exploits! Most APs don't like to tip and they hate playing at the bars. I understand but paying a large extortion tax can and will benefit you in the long run. It doesn't matter if you agree or like it... It is just my life long
experience. An old saying seems to ring true that... Everyone loves a cheerful giver. Sometimes just a five spot or ten or twenty is enough. Other times when your on some great promotion I find C notes help and remember people talk about how nice or not nice you are. Remember these hosts are in meetings about you and your play! For newbies... It is best to tip with sealed envelopes. I find the free cards that the Palms gift away are perfect but soon the palms will be in the hands of the evil empire.. So long Palms ... I'll miss my 400 free play a month per card 😢. I have to admit that things are different for me since I have not filed taxes for over 20 years as well soooo there's that too! Oh another important tip is to play graveyard hours. I see the dumb ap players all the time playing banker hours when every boss is on property. Silly in my book. Play from midnight till about 8am... Much safer! My wife is a huge player but has never met any casino employees And rarely goes in the casinos!



From a surveillance management perspective, let me tell you why you haven't been 86'd and I give this advice freely to all self-proclaimed APs out there. It's not because you tip, it's not because the slot floor people like you, it's because as far as the casino is concerned: You don't matter.

If you were winning enough to worry about, we would easily identify what banks you were winning on, analyze your play, and take action if needed. Regardless if you were playing on a card or not. If you were a threat to the business' profit, the slot floor people would have absolutely zero say in if you are 86'd or not in a decent sized operation. If you want to bribe someone, find out who their performance analysts are.
Wizardofnothing
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September 9th, 2016 at 10:37:07 AM permalink
Well said
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mamat
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December 25th, 2016 at 5:31:11 AM permalink
Quote: KingoftheEye

From a surveillance management perspective, let me tell you why you haven't been 86'd and I give this advice freely to all self-proclaimed APs out there. It's not because you tip, it's not because the slot floor people like you, it's because as far as the casino is concerned: You don't matter.

Love this.

I've heard casino staff talk about some APs and say "We know what they are doing. They don't cost us that much."

Quote: TomG

Very few who earn over six figures is earning anywhere near that from any one casino. It's much more typical to spread that out around dozens of places.

Good APs don't need to look like regular players. They just need to blend in with typical make-not-so-much-money career APs, recreational APs, and regular long-time gamblers who mix a little AP stuff with <100% gambling.

Most APs have some major weakness, which is a huge money-sink. Blackjack player likes craps or sports bets. Machine player likes Blackjack or Video Poker or Baccarat. Sports bettor likes table games or slots. UX Vulture likes to play UX heads-up.

I love craps even though it is a losing game for me. It's just fun!
I'm a lifetime loser at horse betting.
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With some VP promotions, a casino has carefully weighed the costs of leaving a few AP-able machines open versus their intent (e.g. attract more players to Wednesdays is the goal, and we are willing to lose $X/week on these 6 machines due to APs). But some casinos aren't so good at designing promotions...

Some casino staff have been fired for inability to detect problem offerings (tables, dealers, slots, promotions, etc...) after large losses.

There's a wide difference in skill & knowledge among casino staff between casinos (just as wide as the difference in AP knowledge & skill between players).
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P.S. My personal view is casinos are businesses, and are allowed to decide who they do & don't want to offer services to... Until laws change (except for a few states), they are allowed to ban anyone.

I actually appreciated it when one casino was honest & said "We are 86'ing you, and we don't need to give a reason."
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Tricky issue for casino surveillance vs. slot departments. Often small-time AP players are in families with a big loser (which is how they got introduced to gambling in the first place). Don't want to 86 the small winner, and lose the family member donating big-time to the casino.
Last edited by: mamat on Dec 25, 2016
monet0412
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December 25th, 2016 at 9:27:08 AM permalink
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Wizardofnothing
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December 25th, 2016 at 10:09:26 AM permalink
Ridic
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ChumpChange
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October 19th, 2018 at 9:45:20 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I was 86ed for hitting 2 royals in 3 days. Another time I was 86ed after hitting 90k in w2gs in 2 days.
I know a casino that 86ed the wrong person in a case of mistaken identity, after discovering their mistake the casino never bothered to correct it.
Another case a college student was on spring break and went to a casino with his parents, while watching someone playing bj and talking with him the player and the student were both 86ed. The student didn't know the other player and had never gambled in a casino, yet he was listed as an associate and put in a database of undesirables.
These are just a few examples of how casinos operate.



Remind me not to associate with anyone in a casino.
ChumpChange
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October 21st, 2018 at 3:19:00 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

If casinos treated their buffets like they did their games no one who weighed over 210 pounds would be able to eat the buffet. And certainly if they got info on the last mcnugget challenge poker grinder would be flyered to buffets all over the country.



My local McDonald's closed their lobby and ripped everything out, so all the doors are locked. But you can still order through the drive-thru!

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