raiden
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November 23rd, 2015 at 9:44:32 PM permalink
Hi all, first post here and I want to make sure my post stays within the guidelines of the forum rules, but my post doesn't fall in line, someone please let me know.

Basically it boils down to a question regarding using a phone utility app to play the slots. Is this considered to be a cheating device, although it does not interfere with the actual slot machine itself?

I was worried about this because you just never know these days, and according to Wikipedia on slot cheating, it states in a section this:

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Cheating in casinos refers to actions by the player or the house which are prohibited by regional gambling control authorities. This may involve using suspect apparatus, interfering with apparatus, chip fraud or misrepresenting games. The formally prescribed sanctions for cheating depend on the circumstances and gravity of the cheating and the jurisdiction in which the casino operates. In Nevada, for a player to cheat in a casino is a felony under Nevada law. In most other jurisdictions, specific statutes do not exist, and alleged instances of cheating are resolved by the gambling authority who may have more or less authority to enforce its verdict.



Note the part in bold, that is why I'm not sure. My thoughts are if I am using an app on my phone, that does not interfere with the slot machine and how it works in any way, then it is not cheating, and therefore would be allowed.

To me its no different then folks I see rubbing the sides of the machine as the reels are spinning :) but I'd love to get your insight to this. Also, to note, I am playing slots at several different Indian casino locations.

Thanks
sabre
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November 23rd, 2015 at 10:16:31 PM permalink
Sounds to me like cheating, you dirty filthy cheater. God I hate cheaters. You cheater.

Also, which casino has wifi slots that you can play from your phone? Or are you using Bluetooth? Or IR? I guess I'm confused at what protocol allows you to remotely play slots machines in your local casino. You know, since you're using a "phone utility app" to "play the slots.".
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November 23rd, 2015 at 10:48:40 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Sounds to me like cheating, you dirty filthy cheater. God I hate cheaters. You cheater.

Also, which casino has wifi slots that you can play from your phone? Or are you using Bluetooth? Or IR? I guess I'm confused at what protocol allows you to remotely play slots machines in your local casino. You know, since you're using a "phone utility app" to "play the slots.".



In case you're wondering, he meant that first part as a joke. I think. :)

I don't have a good answer for you. I don't even know what you would use a slot app for. Are you talking about assistance on Video Poker strategy? Or does it claim to affect the payout or electronics? Maybe recommend slots by name and/or location? I guess you'd have to explain what the app is supposed to do before someone could give you a reasonable answer.
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MathExtremist
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November 23rd, 2015 at 11:14:28 PM permalink
Cheating is usually defined by law. Does your app actually perform one of the proscribed functions? Don't rely on Wikipedia, look at the actual law where you're playing.
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November 24th, 2015 at 12:31:45 AM permalink
Quote: raiden

Hi all, first post here and I want to make sure my post stays within the guidelines of the forum rules, but my post doesn't fall in line, someone please let me know.

Basically it boils down to a question regarding using a phone utility app to play the slots. Is this considered to be a cheating device, although it does not interfere with the actual slot machine itself?

I was worried about this because you just never know these days, and according to Wikipedia on slot cheating, it states in a section this:

Quote:

Cheating in casinos refers to actions by the player or the house which are prohibited by regional gambling control authorities. This may involve using suspect apparatus, interfering with apparatus, chip fraud or misrepresenting games. The formally prescribed sanctions for cheating depend on the circumstances and gravity of the cheating and the jurisdiction in which the casino operates. In Nevada, for a player to cheat in a casino is a felony under Nevada law. In most other jurisdictions, specific statutes do not exist, and alleged instances of cheating are resolved by the gambling authority who may have more or less authority to enforce its verdict.



Note the part in bold, that is why I'm not sure. My thoughts are if I am using an app on my phone, that does not interfere with the slot machine and how it works in any way, then it is not cheating, and therefore would be allowed.

To me its no different then folks I see rubbing the sides of the machine as the reels are spinning :) but I'd love to get your insight to this. Also, to note, I am playing slots at several different Indian casino locations.

Thanks

At first glance your post reads as if you want to play slots ON YOUR PHONE.

People are confused because there's very little SLOTS that can be beat. There's no legitimate app on the market that help people play SLOTS. At least not that I know of.

There's some Video Poker app's that help people play perfect strategy and technically they might be illegal to use in the casino.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
raiden
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November 24th, 2015 at 12:36:56 AM permalink
@sabre, whoa there, take a deep breathe, slow down and read my post again. I am asking the question, this does imply that I am doing anything. Just so I am clear with you, I am not a cheater, I've been playing since 2009 fair and square, and won plenty of jackpots fairly, as well as donated my fair share back to the casino.

If you notice what I said, the phone app I am describing would not interfere with the slot machine in any way, no wifi connection, no bluetooth. Maybe I should have explained that a little better, think of it simply as a utility that simply uses the vibrate function on your phone to distract your spin pattern. Thats it, same thing as counting in your head, then spinning, or as I stated in my initial post, rubbing the sides of the machine (although I don't do that :) ), then spinning.

No trickery here, my concern was if I had something like this on my phone and was playing the slot machine, would it be illegal? I can't seem to find any rules on this particular instance.

Thanks
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November 24th, 2015 at 12:47:28 AM permalink
Quote: raiden

@sabre, whoa there, take a deep breathe, slow down and read my post again. I am asking the question, this does imply that I am doing anything. Just so I am clear with you, I am not a cheater, I've been playing since 2009 fair and square, and won plenty of jackpots fairly, as well as donated my fair share back to the casino.

If you notice what I said, the phone app I am describing would not interfere with the slot machine in any way, no wifi connection, no bluetooth. Maybe I should have explained that a little better, think of it simply as a utility that simply uses the vibrate function on your phone to distract your spin pattern. Thats it, same thing as counting in your head, then spinning, or as I stated in my initial post, rubbing the sides of the machine (although I don't do that :) ), then spinning.

No trickery here, my concern was if I had something like this on my phone and was playing the slot machine, would it be illegal? I can't seem to find any rules on this particular instance.

Thanks



So you're not placing the phone on the machine trying to vibrate the electronics; you're trying to knock yourself out of a compulsive spin pattern timed to the music or other machine cues? Is that correct?

If it is, and you didn't physically touch the machine with your phone or shine lights from it into orifices or something, I don't think anybody would care. People talk on their phones all the time while they play slots without anybody bothering them. But that's just my opinion.
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raiden
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November 24th, 2015 at 1:22:55 AM permalink
I would also like to state (for the record) there is a method to my madness of thinking of this idea for an app.

Consider this, the casino is a great place for entertainment. The games, bright lights, sounds, hotels, good food and drinks, etc. But honestly do any of you guys and gals believe the board of directors for some of the largest casinos are sitting up in the Monday morning conference room meeting discussing gambling addiction?

We all know its real, heck you can youtube video after video of all kinds of gambling horror stories. Look at Wiktionary's #1. definition of "addict":
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1. To cause someone to become addicted



To me, the "someone" in that definition is the casino. Yes they are a great source of entertainment, and I will randomly continue to go for that reason, but also, yes, they do in fact employ tactics that can lead good people to ruins.

I had a discussion about these with a buddy of my mine as we played slots today, you may already be aware, but if you don't consider this. Have you ever been inside a casino that had windows around the exterior walls? What about all those friendly perks, free drinks, etc. Not to mention, you can google for yourself, slot machines are manufactured in a way to create a psychological affect on the player. Its not magic, its real, and its not a good feeling when you've lost control, and ended up leaving the casino, broke feeling like you just got ripped off.

Everyone enjoys winning, heck thats why we play, but the fact of the matter is, the casino has control of its business, so in essence, when we enter the doors of the casino, they have control of our money.

So, I said all that to say this :) (I like to chat if you have't noticed, lol), I'm on a mission, and that mission is to do everything in my power to break the "magic of the machine" and it's ability to control the player. Has anyone heard the term, "chasing a loss", or maybe "I can't lose", I've said those things when I had no control of my play anymore. I've been in situations where I was so frustrated, and I'd play a little more, only to just get more frustrated. I know at some point most slot players have had this same feeling.

I attribute the control the slot machine has over players by the way we play. Some folks may have there own style of play, but from what I have seen, slot reels spin about 3 seconds, and immediately when they stop, the player spins again. This pattern repeats over and over, but the key to all this is, typically the player is "zoned" in on the machine itself, rarely do they stop play, look off to the sides, chat with a friend, its again what I call the "slot zone".

My mission is to teach players to break out of that zone, create some gap and distractions between spins, thats what my idea of this app would be, and thats it. I don't like that feeling of having 0 control when playing, but lets face it, we are human beings, and sadly the casino understands this completely.

I hope to not have upset anyone, I'm a player just like everybody here, @sabre, I'm really sorry if I misguided you, that was not my intention.

I hope to here your thoughts and comments.

Thanks

raiden
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November 24th, 2015 at 2:46:10 AM permalink
I had a Slot App that was practice for playing slots, and I realized I was way too greedy in one of the slot games where you get a relatively good amount, but can ignore the offer for a higher offer that's still up there. Think Deal Or No Deal or Top Dollar for those type of slots. For example, I had a chance to have $160,000 in the slot app, but the $750,000 offer was still up. I got greedy and held out for the big $750,000., only for my last offer to be $20,000. I remembered thinking "Thank God this was a slot app and not real life, because I would have been seriously kicking myself if I had made such a huge mistake in a real Casino.
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November 24th, 2015 at 3:19:37 AM permalink
Quote: raiden

Maybe I should have explained that a little better, think of it simply as a utility that simply uses the vibrate function on your phone to distract your spin pattern.s

Sounds illegal.

Supposedly even if you use your phone to look up a video poker hand it's illegal.

I'm certain that if you were trying to use your phone to time spins on a slot machine it would be illegal.

If it actually worked and you started crushing slot machines, eventually you would probably get greedy, get caught and go to jail.

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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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