thecesspit
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November 28th, 2014 at 4:43:40 PM permalink
If I was able to do it in the sport books, I would consider it. Other gambles don't have the long term appeal.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
SOOPOO
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November 28th, 2014 at 4:53:19 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

If I was able to do it in the sport books, I would consider it. Other gambles don't have the long term appeal.



0% chance. I don't know how much more I'd have to make to be in the smoke filled casinos every day versus most smoke free work environments....

By the way, the question is impossible for anyone to answer...... because even the best professional gambler does not KNOW what he will be making.... he may know what his EV is, but as kewlj has mentioned.... variance plays havoc with that......

The question as asked adds that you will have some defined success, then you are not a gambler, but just a worker......
RogerKint
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November 28th, 2014 at 5:01:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The
best part of going to a casino is leaving
there.



I respectfully disagree. The best part about a casino is being able to scout it for the first time. Lately, I've been dreaming about scouting far away, exotic casinos. I would have to agree that full-time play doesn't appeal to me at all.
100% risk of ruin
Keyser
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November 28th, 2014 at 5:06:49 PM permalink
It depends on your game.
AxelWolf
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November 28th, 2014 at 5:10:01 PM permalink
For some reason people think you have to pick one game and one method. That's why it might seem boring. I would agree that might get boring. You need to have the ability to play and access most games (you don't have to be perfect). There was a time when just scouting the casino was exciting to me. Some casinos had so many different possibilities, you never walked out without finding 2 or 3 different opportunities. It was like a treasure hunt. Starting at Circus Circus by the time you got out of the frontier you had $300 in value. You didn't even need 1k in your pocket .
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Keyser
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November 28th, 2014 at 5:23:17 PM permalink
AxelWolf,

I think the best description is to call APs "opportunists".
EvenBob
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November 28th, 2014 at 5:36:50 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

There was a time when just scouting the casino was exciting to me..



I haven't always hated casinos. I liked
them when there only Vegas and I
went a few times a year. Those days
are long gone.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
AxelWolf
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November 28th, 2014 at 5:45:14 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

AxelWolf,

I think the best description is to call APs "opportunists".

You dam well better be.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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November 28th, 2014 at 6:08:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I
went a few times a year. Those days
are long gone.

That's exactly why I don't think you qualify to have a LEGITIMATE opinion about real AP. Even if you spend time every day gambling, that wouldn't make you qualified, or most of the seniors in vegas would be 100x more qualified than you.

I said it before, Ill say it again, you can usually tell who the real AP's are. FAP's might be able to fool the general population but not other real AP's.

You can even tell when someone is trying to hide the fact that they are AP's.

THe real fun is when someone isn't an AP but wants other to believe they are, so they pretend to hide they have this wonderful system they cannot divulge.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Greasyjohn
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November 28th, 2014 at 6:11:37 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

I was a "pro" poker player in LV from June 2009-Sept 2011, pro in the sense I had no other income, and had quit a job to move to LV to do it.



I knew I was pretty good player in WA, and studied the strategies, read the magazines, watched the shows, played online, bought the books, and thought I was ready for the big-time play in Vegas. Quit a job I disliked with full benefits, packed up everything in a U-Haul and arrived in Vegas the same day Michael Jackson died (it was all over the radio at 4:30 when I pulled into town). My reasoning was...if I can make $3000/mo in WA playing 1 or 2 casinos a few days a week, then I could make a living against tourists bouncing between 50 different poker rooms. Problem was, I was about seven years too late. All the fish had gotten better, like me, or had lost their bankrolls and went home. So it's a bunch of sharks around the table waiting and hoping for the once-a-night all-in opportunity where my KQ sooooted holds up against three other great hands.

I played everywhere for the first several months getting a feel for the town, then narrowed it to a handfull by the second year. Most all rooms in town gave $1/hr comps on the players card, few places gave $2, and some even gave $3/hr from 3am to noon (Rio, Station casinos). I gained Diamond status with Caesars and ate at buffets on comp points. I used coupons, and even tore out coupons from other books I found in the trash in my apartment's laundry room. I lived close enough to the Strip to walk to Rio and use the shuttle to Harrahs or Ballys. It took me a while to adjust my playing to be late at night when tourists are drunk (that's usually when I'm drunk too!). I made decent money the first year, played less and less by year two, and was so sick of poker by year three I was ready to put a gun in my mouth. Poker is boring, but it's all I ever played because skill is required, compared to the other luck-based games.

I'm sure it's the same any time you take a hobby and turn it into your job, whether it's tennis, golf or buying storage lockers. Think you're funny? Maybe get up on stage during your bar's open mic night and tell a few jokes? Then one night an agent in the crowd tells you to get an hour's worth of material and he'll get you a gig for $200/night. You find it easy, you like the adrenaline and can control the hecklers, and after a few months, you figure the money's good. You quit your job, your agent gets you enough gigs you go on a state-wide tour of Indian casinos and comedy clubs and it's great for 6 months. Once you've done those rooms too many times, you have to travel the entire west coast telling the same old jokes to a different sometimes hostile, sometimes apathetic audience. As you get better, your income goes up, but you're spending so much on gas and hotels, and you're lonely, and you're not exercising like you used to, and you're not eating your veggies, and pretty soon, if you haven't gone on the Tonight Show after two years, you start to wonder if you can still get your old job back.

I did get my job back here in Washington, but unfortunately for a 20% pay cut and loss of all my old benefits. I don't miss being a "pro" poker player at all. I'm glad I did it, got the experience, met some people, have the memories. I can still play once in a while, and go back to Las Vegas 2-3 times a year with a poker friend. I just won't ever do it for a living again.



That was a good read.

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