Let's be completely honest. Would you give up your life now to be a pro gambler?
November 28th, 2014 at 7:31:05 PM
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Would playing that count for tier credits & ADT? Nevermind, now that Palms has done away with their carwash.Quote: AxelWolfCan he get 8 million in free play?Quote: DrawingDeadSeriously? Well, I'm glad there's someone left; I take it you're not a big watcher of late night cable or reader of tawdry ads on billboards. Good for you.Quote: FroggerQuote: DrawingDead
#3. Jackpot legal judgment
What's this?
I hate to do it, but here's a relatively smallish appetizer:
Palms faces $6.6 million judgment over patron’s sports book injuries
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:33:21 PM
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Are you serious? I still have a token Djatc gave me. No wonder.Quote: DrawingDeadWould playing that count for tier credits & ADT? Nevermind, now that Palms has done away with their carwash.Quote: AxelWolfCan he get 8 million in free play?Quote: DrawingDeadSeriously? Well, I'm glad there's someone left; I take it you're not a big watcher of late night cable or reader of tawdry ads on billboards. Good for you.Quote: FroggerQuote: DrawingDead
#3. Jackpot legal judgment
What's this?
I hate to do it, but here's a relatively smallish appetizer:
Palms faces $6.6 million judgment over patron’s sports book injuries
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 28th, 2014 at 7:40:29 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfThe good old, it's just cyberspace defense
You act like you're an open book and we
know what you do for AP. Other than
spending hours cruising for tickets left
in slots, I have no idea what you do in a
casino.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 28th, 2014 at 7:48:22 PM
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See, now that's an advantage play. Until I went and spilled the beans on it. More so if he'd sold it to ya. I discovered it when I went to use the now worthless token (that I actually "earned") I think about six months ago. And because you're such a standup guy, I'm now willing to sell it to you for a pittance. I also have a nice collection of stuff from Stardust funbooks and whatnot.Quote: AxelWolfAre you serious? I still have a token Djatc gave me. No wonder.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:49:37 PM
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I am not an AP, do not want to be an AP.
But for those people who refuse to believe real APs exist in Vegas, I think they are wrong.
But for those people who refuse to believe real APs exist in Vegas, I think they are wrong.
winning streaks come and go, losing streak never ends.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:24:15 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYou act like you're an open book and we
know what you do for AP. Other than
spending hours cruising for tickets left
in slots, I have no idea what you do in a
casino.
It's smart not to be an open book, but I can say that Axelwolf is as legit as they come and I know some of the stuff he does as an AP...Obviously, though, I can't talk about what I do know as it is confidential.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 28th, 2014 at 8:26:20 PM
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Quote: Mission146..Obviously, though, I can't talk about what I do know as it is confidential.
Bout time ;)
100% risk of ruin
November 28th, 2014 at 8:39:44 PM
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Quote: Mission146..Obviously, though, I can't talk about what I do know as it is confidential.
You mean he has super secret methods
he won't talk about? Odd, he's always
deriding others for doing the very same
thing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 28th, 2014 at 8:46:25 PM
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Never.
I love Casinos because they are an escape from reality. I go to have fun and enter into a different world. Being in a Casino everyday would be like living in a constant dream (not in a good way). It would make your life devoid of all purpose. I have never had even a slight desire to be an AP.
I love Casinos because they are an escape from reality. I go to have fun and enter into a different world. Being in a Casino everyday would be like living in a constant dream (not in a good way). It would make your life devoid of all purpose. I have never had even a slight desire to be an AP.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:52:17 PM
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Thats untrue and slanderous and its accusing me of a crime. Your stating it as a fact. Ill expect a retraction.Quote: EvenBobYou act like you're an open book and we
know what you do for AP. Other than
spending hours cruising for tickets left
in slots, I have no idea what you do in a
casino.
You and a few other may not know, however many people here have meet me, played with me and a few have worked and work for me.
No one has had the "pleasure" of meeting with you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 28th, 2014 at 10:03:57 PM
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$50 but He said it was good for a year.Quote: DrawingDeadSee, now that's an advantage play. Until I went and spilled the beans on it. More so if he'd sold it to ya. I discovered it when I went to use the now worthless token (that I actually "earned") I think about six months ago. And because you're such a standup guy, I'm now willing to sell it to you for a pittance. I also have a nice collection of stuff from Stardust funbooks and whatnot.
No just kidding, he just gave it to me after I mentioned I needed a carwash, Possibly over 6 months ago.
What's the most interesting thing from SD you have? I have some unique stuff from stardust(one of my favorite AP casinos at one time) including a one of a kind red and white slot card.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 28th, 2014 at 10:12:40 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYou mean he has super secret methods
he won't talk about? Odd, he's always
deriding others for doing the very same
thing.
They're not secret in the sense that nobody else knows or could reasonably figure out how to do them, what I mean is I am not going to get into specific plays, or anything like that.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 28th, 2014 at 10:23:00 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYou act like you're an open book and we
know what you do for AP. Other than
spending hours cruising for tickets left
in slots, I have no idea what you do in a
casino.
I concur that this statement should be retracted, as Axelwolf said, some jurisdictions consider it theft and you are therefore publicly accusing him of a crime.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 28th, 2014 at 10:23:54 PM
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Of Course I wont talk about everything. Including supersecret methods. However I do talk about enough among trusted friends and partners. I dont claim to be a saint or a open book. However, you sunk low with your statement and it went beyond banter an ribbing. As I said before thats a crime and I have never don that.Quote: EvenBobYou mean he has super secret methods
he won't talk about? Odd, he's always
deriding others for doing the very same
thing.
If you were referring to my AP Travels from CC to SD. They didn't even have slot tickets at the time.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 28th, 2014 at 11:15:12 PM
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Yikes, my semi-bluff has been called, and I may soon be forced to venture into that closet in the back bedroom to find out what I have. I don't even know how many "outs" I have in this hand, and whether any of them are to a nut draw. I have a whole separate box full of all 'Dust stuff, some of it kind of old-timey and some I picked up that's unique to their last night (I was there for it on Halloween of 2006 until shortly before they locked the doors for the last time in the morning) which has been gathering dust in the back of a closet for several years now. Offhand my recollection is that I have low denomination assorted chips, some eating and drinking utensils with their name, some player cards, fun books with coupons for this and that and the other thingy (matchplay or show ticket discounts probably aren't real valuable now), the house rules formerly posted on the wall of the poker room, a lot of stuff from the book (of course they pretty much invented the whole concept of the sportsbook as it's done now) like pens with their logo and vintage Stardust betting lines, and... I probably don't remember half of what's in that sucker.Quote: AxelWolfWhat's the most interesting thing from SD you have? I have some unique stuff from stardust(one of my favorite AP casinos at one time) including a one of a kind red and white slot card.
All of it is good for a year, I swear. Just not a year in this decade. But I think I know someone who coincidentally has posted earlier in this thread who might not be drawing dead trying to milk something out of those "fun books" since I do recall him passing off an ancient coupon he had at one of the table games of another "vintage" type casino in that neighborhood. But I won't go and "out" him here for doing that epic act of shameless casino coupon whoring if he doesn't wanna be.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
November 28th, 2014 at 11:36:25 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfThats untrue and slanderous and its accusing me of a crime. Your stating it as a fact. Ill expect a retraction.
.
It was a joke, control yourself. My point
was, which you ignored, is you're not
exactly forthcoming about details
of what you do, yet you chide others
who are not forthcoming either. Why
is that?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 28th, 2014 at 11:39:31 PM
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Quote: Mission146I some jurisdictions consider it theft and you are therefore publicly accusing him of a crime.
News to me. I read an article recently about
people who live in the storm drains in Vegas
and make a living cruising the slots for tickets.
Some make hundreds a day, no mention in
the article it was a crime. Lots of people are
doing it openly, apparently.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 28th, 2014 at 11:43:14 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfOf Course I wont talk about everything. Including supersecret methods. However I do talk about enough among trusted friends and partners. I dont claim to be a saint or a open book. .
Yet you constantly chide me about having a
secret method I won't talk about. Why is
that, when you do the very same thing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 28th, 2014 at 11:53:03 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYet you constantly chide me about having a
secret method I won't talk about. Why is
that, when you do the very same thing.
Main reason is he gives vague details of what he does and it makes sense there are plenty of legitimate plays that you can make money on. You claim to have a system for roulette which flies in the face of everything that is known about statistics and provide no evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Axels claims are not particularly extraordinary while yours are.
November 29th, 2014 at 12:02:08 AM
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Quote: TwirdmanAxels claims are not particularly extraordinary while yours are.
What?? He makes extraordinary claims all
the time. He says he can walk into any
casino and walk out with a profit. I never
claimed that nor can I guarantee I can do
it. So who's really the one making the
claims here.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 29th, 2014 at 12:09:41 AM
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I recently met up with Axel and some other forum members. Many of their plays are pretty standard, if modified through some unique angles. No one is going to give away the types of plays I saw and was involved in with him because they can and inevitably do dry up so there is no reason to speed that process up.
A magical roulette system on the other hand should be no secret. I would think that, like card counting, it would not be an issue to reveal. Card counting has gotten more difficult, but its not going away as its functionally built into the game itself. If your system is too, then you should be able to give details or at least a general outline of the system.
A magical roulette system on the other hand should be no secret. I would think that, like card counting, it would not be an issue to reveal. Card counting has gotten more difficult, but its not going away as its functionally built into the game itself. If your system is too, then you should be able to give details or at least a general outline of the system.
November 29th, 2014 at 12:11:47 AM
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Quote: EvenBobWhat?? He makes extraordinary claims all
the time. He says he can walk into any
casino and walk out with a profit. I never
claimed that nor can I guarantee I can do
it. So who's really the one making the
claims here.
Again yours is the claim violating known laws of mathematics though. You cannot gain an advantage by playing patterns in a random memoryless game. His might be a bit over boisterous yours is flat out impossible unless you know something that has eluded the greatest minds throughout history.
November 29th, 2014 at 12:12:28 AM
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Quote: bigtoad
A magical roulette system on the other hand should be no secret. .
If you ever discover a 'magic' system for
beating casinos, be sure and tell us. I
don't believe in magic, I'd love to hear
it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 29th, 2014 at 12:49:31 AM
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Quote: TwirdmanYou cannot gain an advantage by playing patterns in a random memoryless game. .
Exactly. Where is the problem, I don't get it, we all agree.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 29th, 2014 at 1:18:58 AM
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I have never said I could walk into ANY casino and make a profit, that's impossible. please show me that post.Quote: EvenBobWhat?? He makes extraordinary claims all
the time. He says he can walk into any
casino and walk out with a profit. I never
claimed that nor can I guarantee I can do
it. So who's really the one making the
claims here.
I don't remember the exact details. I basically indicated I would take some kind of a challenge (If motivated and the the bet or price is right)I could start with a small predetermined amount of money, my choice of casinos, playing any games or methods I choose and make a significant % of my starting bank in profit. I can't remember who challenged me. I want to say it was someone like DJteddybear, 24bingo or ED . (Put up 5k and I'll make the bet and give you odds).
A few other occasions I indicated similar things even something like a month long challenge. That would be to difficult to verify.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 29th, 2014 at 1:31:15 AM
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I was going to nominate this for Most Interesting Thread of the Year until it devolved into a silly pissing match between Axel and EB. C'mon, guys.
I will say that I have done a little bit of play with Axel and some of his crew and they are IMO legit; Axel has not made any claims he hasn't or can't backed up.
Anybody else want to weigh in with their narratives and get us back on track? Great stuff already by several of you.
"the ever-pleasant Commie Gal Babs"
I will say that I have done a little bit of play with Axel and some of his crew and they are IMO legit; Axel has not made any claims he hasn't or can't backed up.
Anybody else want to weigh in with their narratives and get us back on track? Great stuff already by several of you.
"the ever-pleasant Commie Gal Babs"
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 29th, 2014 at 2:47:21 AM
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If it was a pissing match it wasn't a fair one, because Bob brought an empty squirt gun.Quote: beachbumbabsI was going to nominate this for Most Interesting Thread of the Year until it devolved into a silly pissing match between Axel and EB. C'mon, guys.
I will say that I have done a little bit of play with Axel and some of his crew and they are IMO legit; Axel has not made any claims he hasn't or can't backed up.
Anybody else want to weigh in with their narratives and get us back on track? Great stuff already by several of you.
"the ever-pleasant Commie Gal Babs"
It was some ribbing and banter until Bob lost traction ( Is he annoyed that people can ACTUALLY beat casinos?) and stooped low enough to accused me of a crime, certainly thats suspension worthy. Do I really care? Not really, do I expect an apology? Absolutely. He should man up. I apologized to him because he interpreted me as calling him a welcher, only after his comment could've been jokingly interpreted as such.
I do not dislike Bob, I didn't agree with some of his beliefs but in no way should that be interpreted as anything other than that.
I sincerely wish Bob good health and Happy Holidays.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 29th, 2014 at 3:02:39 AM
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I beg your pardon. For the record, I did NOT call you pleasant. I said charming. And a commie gal. And I apologize if my use of the term "gal" is not appropriate.Quote: beachbumbabs"the ever-pleasant Commie Gal Babs"
I could probably claim to have been a something or other once, for a couple of years, on a planet long ago and far away. (And if you believe that just because I said so you and your money deserve to part company sooner rather than later.) I got through about two years of college from going to the track. I didn't quit my job to do it, because I didn't have one. I was starving, as college students often are, and rent was due every damn month. So I did that, after having done it just for mere love for some years prior starting when I was an underage but older looking teenager, and it worked, and I was glad, though I no longer found love in it when it was for making my nut for rent & Ramen noodles.
And then glad and insufferably proud of myself for pulling it off when I wasn't doing it anymore, and equally glad that I no longer had to for making that whole "food and shelter" thing. And while I was glad it worked at the time the way it had to for me, I've never for a moment since had any desire to voluntarily depend on it for any part of paying the mortgage or putting vittles on the table, because I have no doubt that eventually at some point I'd inevitably lose my assets, no matter how good at it I was or wasn't, because like poker, there is no justice in the game and the horses and the cards don't know or care that you were right when your fillly is spooked by a pigeon or stumbles out of the gate and an imbecile's two-outer gets there for what seems like the quadrazillionth time in a row after calling a shove for his stack on nothing but a naked 5% draw. "Gulp, nice hand, Sir. Cocktails!"
The racing game was really a lot easier then (though I sure didn't think "this is the good old days, much easier doing it now" at the time) due to the dearth of publicly available information, along with lower takeout. With some simple diligent record keeping one could have a huge information advantage over 99.9% of all the other chumps betting the same race. Now all of that information and more is easily available for purchase at a reasonable cost to anybody, and that 'anybody' includes people with big bankrolls who can suddenly move the toteboard numbers at any track at any moment, from a terminal several time zones away, with today's widespread advance deposit account wagering co-mingled into almost every track's pools and nationwide and international simulcasting that didn't exist then.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:41:43 AM
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Quote: Mission146I concur that this statement should be retracted, as Axelwolf said, some jurisdictions consider it theft and you are therefore publicly accusing him of a crime.
The criminal offense would be removing a ticket from a machine, cashing it in and keeping the money. There has been no accusation of such. Absent that, a person has a right to walk around and look at anything he wants. No evidence has been presented that it is a crime in every jurisdiction and Bob did not name a specific one.
I have never cruised for anything in a casino but I have found tickets, coins and chips and have always done the right thing. If I know who they belong to, I tell the person. If abandoned, I cash it in and keep it.
Disclaimer: I get all my legal opinions from "The Good Wife." Opinions may vary from state to state or from people who actually know what they're talking about which may not be me. :-) :-) Double smiley.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
November 29th, 2014 at 3:53:54 AM
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Quote: 1BBThe criminal offense would be removing a ticket from a machine, cashing it in and keeping the money. There has been no accusation of such. Absent that, a person has a right to walk around and look at anything he wants. No evidence has been presented that it is a crime in every jurisdiction and Bob did not name a specific one.
I have never cruised for anything in a casino but I have found tickets, coins and chips and have always done the right thing. If I know who they belong to, I tell the person. If abandoned, I cash it in and keep it.
Disclaimer: I get all my legal opinions from "The Good Wife." Opinions may vary from state to state or from people who actually know what they're talking about which may not be me. :-) :-) Double smiley.
I wouldn't cruise for them either. If I sat down and there was one, I'd wait a really long time before figuring "finder's keepers" [to see if the player comes back]. If the casino was known not to care, I'd then keep it. I would hate to let the casino keep it.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 29th, 2014 at 4:35:57 AM
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I can't believe EvenBob is trying to argue with Axel on this one. It's actually kinda sad.
As for leftover credits....I just hit the "cash out" button and put the ticket on top of the machine then I sit down and play. Either the money is so little that it's not worth it....or the money is so big that one could reasonably think someone just forgot about the $$$. Treat others how you'd wanna be treated.
As for leftover credits....I just hit the "cash out" button and put the ticket on top of the machine then I sit down and play. Either the money is so little that it's not worth it....or the money is so big that one could reasonably think someone just forgot about the $$$. Treat others how you'd wanna be treated.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:54:11 AM
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Quote: DrawingDeadI beg your pardon. For the record, I did NOT call you pleasant. I said charming. And a commie gal. And I apologize if my use of the term "gal" is not appropriate.
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I (mis)quoted you because I thought it was funny. As is BeachBanhammerBabs, whoever did that one. I might have to change my handle. No apology necessary, but thanks.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 29th, 2014 at 6:14:34 AM
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You act like "you're an open book and weQuote: 1BBThe criminal offense would be removing a ticket from a machine, cashing it in and keeping the money. There has been no accusation of such. ..
know what you do for AP. Other than
spending hours cruising for tickets left
in slots, I have no idea what you do in a
casino."
He absolutely did infer that I was keeping the money as per the AP part.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 29th, 2014 at 6:22:27 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou act like "you're an open book and we
know what you do for AP. Other than
spending hours cruising for tickets left
in slots, I have no idea what you do in a
casino."
He absolutely did infer that I was keeping the money as per the AP part.
I know. I would never think that of you nor should anyone else.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
November 29th, 2014 at 7:39:30 AM
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Back on target,
I've been slammed at work the past few days and haven't been able to answer. But, NO. Emphatically no. I would not want the life of an AP. FOR ME, there is no reward. It doesn't do anything. For me, it would just be existing. If it works for you, that's cool; we're different people. We are wired differently.
I have a pretty good job that I can gamify. The better I do it, the more I make. A well organized and well executed close is profitable and thrilling; a good deal has a rush to it that is very much the same as a big win. I equate it to a drug rush. If you've done it, and done it well, you know that you get hooked on it.
I'm lucky that I'm pretty good at what I do. So not only is it easy for me (challenging, but not difficult), but I also get benefits, perks, and stability. And I get to be part of the community economy. I provide a real service, and I get well compensated.
So call me a ploppy, and I'll laugh alongside you, and I won't screw your play if I recognize it (but I probably won't). I'd rather play high risk/high reward games and have fun. You make yours, I'll make mine, and the world continues onward. There's room for both of us, there's room for me to respect you and for you to respect me. We can allow each other our respective humanity, after all.
I've been slammed at work the past few days and haven't been able to answer. But, NO. Emphatically no. I would not want the life of an AP. FOR ME, there is no reward. It doesn't do anything. For me, it would just be existing. If it works for you, that's cool; we're different people. We are wired differently.
I have a pretty good job that I can gamify. The better I do it, the more I make. A well organized and well executed close is profitable and thrilling; a good deal has a rush to it that is very much the same as a big win. I equate it to a drug rush. If you've done it, and done it well, you know that you get hooked on it.
I'm lucky that I'm pretty good at what I do. So not only is it easy for me (challenging, but not difficult), but I also get benefits, perks, and stability. And I get to be part of the community economy. I provide a real service, and I get well compensated.
So call me a ploppy, and I'll laugh alongside you, and I won't screw your play if I recognize it (but I probably won't). I'd rather play high risk/high reward games and have fun. You make yours, I'll make mine, and the world continues onward. There's room for both of us, there's room for me to respect you and for you to respect me. We can allow each other our respective humanity, after all.
A falling knife has no handle.
November 29th, 2014 at 7:58:01 AM
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Quote: EvenBobYou mean he has super secret methods
he won't talk about? Odd, he's always
deriding others for doing the very same
thing.
Bob, your going to lose this one. The man is the real deal and while I have never met Mickey, I count him and Axel as the 2 best Slot AP's out there. There are probably a few more that stay under the radar but these 2 are the best of the best. And why should they give current plays away? They have talked enough about plays that are not out there anymore that most players never even thought of. You dont make stuff like that up.
November 29th, 2014 at 8:15:56 AM
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Quote: beachbumbabsI was going to nominate this for Most Interesting Thread of the Year until it devolved into a silly pissing match between Axel and EB. C'mon, guys.
I will say that I have done a little bit of play with Axel and some of his crew and they are IMO legit; Axel has not made any claims he hasn't or can't backed up.
Anybody else want to weigh in with their narratives and get us back on track? Great stuff already by several of you.
"the ever-pleasant Commie Gal Babs"
But Babs, what would a fireplug be without a little piss on it? A dog thinks that is what they are for.
November 29th, 2014 at 10:12:42 AM
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The threads first part, "Let's be completely honest", strikes me as almost needing a separate thread of it's own.
Do we come here to be completely honest about ourselves? Come on, most of us are gamblers, for all that entails.
Who here is completely honest? Most of us aren't even using our real names. Those that are, if removed or not would admit that their internet persona hardly reflects what they feel truly represents their soul.
Strictly by chance, I ended up spending time with a psychiatrist. It was fun, once the ice was broken and more so because I am/was not a patient. He said most people don't want to talk to him, lol. But, I am an inquisitive sort. He want on to explain people how they really are after his 50 years of study.
"The world is a stage, and we are all actors". Knowing that, can we explain why we choose the persona we do?
Step four would be;"we took a fearless and searching moral inventory of ourselves". That takes guts.
Do we come here to be completely honest about ourselves? Come on, most of us are gamblers, for all that entails.
Who here is completely honest? Most of us aren't even using our real names. Those that are, if removed or not would admit that their internet persona hardly reflects what they feel truly represents their soul.
Strictly by chance, I ended up spending time with a psychiatrist. It was fun, once the ice was broken and more so because I am/was not a patient. He said most people don't want to talk to him, lol. But, I am an inquisitive sort. He want on to explain people how they really are after his 50 years of study.
"The world is a stage, and we are all actors". Knowing that, can we explain why we choose the persona we do?
Step four would be;"we took a fearless and searching moral inventory of ourselves". That takes guts.
November 29th, 2014 at 10:25:29 AM
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Look at John Patrick for the answer to the question.
He calls himself a "professional gambler" on his site, and on his board he provides some details.
In his case, he spends A LOT of time on internet sports betting and also matching wits with the locals in private poker games.
By report, he seems to spend little time in an actual casino anymore.
He calls himself a "professional gambler" on his site, and on his board he provides some details.
In his case, he spends A LOT of time on internet sports betting and also matching wits with the locals in private poker games.
By report, he seems to spend little time in an actual casino anymore.
"What, me worry?"
November 29th, 2014 at 11:40:17 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIf it was a pissing match it wasn't a fair one, .
I'm sick and tired of you making snarky
comments about me, you do it all the
time. So I decided to give it back to you.
Most of the time I consider the source,
and ignore it. But enough is enough.
And I said I was making a joke about you
and the stupid tickets. Do you really think
that's what I think you do? By implying it
I was trying to make fun of what you do in
a humorous way. If you aren't capable
of understanding that, it's not my
problem.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 29th, 2014 at 5:29:18 PM
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Quote: EvenBobNews to me. I read an article recently about
people who live in the storm drains in Vegas
and make a living cruising the slots for tickets.
Some make hundreds a day, no mention in
the article it was a crime. Lots of people are
doing it openly, apparently.
It's a crime in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania is a jurisdiction.
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November 29th, 2014 at 5:35:40 PM
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Quote: Mission146It's a crime in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania is a jurisdiction.
Technically the forum rules only say Actions that violate "Nevada and U.S." laws. Nothing at all about prohibiting discussion of other state laws being violated.
But I live in NJ, have no clue if its legal here, but I see people (including staff) do it in AC all of the time...
November 29th, 2014 at 5:36:25 PM
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Quote: 1BBThe criminal offense would be removing a ticket from a machine, cashing it in and keeping the money. There has been no accusation of such. Absent that, a person has a right to walk around and look at anything he wants. No evidence has been presented that it is a crime in every jurisdiction and Bob did not name a specific one.
I didn't name a specific one, either, I simply said that it is a crime in some jurisdictions. That the ticket would be cashed is STRONGLY implied, first of all, they wouldn't be TICKETS unless the money was at least being removed from the machine, but merely credits. Secondly, you couldn't profit by mere removal of the tickets without cashing them yourself, or selling them.
EB also mentioned what, "Axel does for AP," obviously, the mere gathering of tickets or looking at of credits would not be AP...it'd be a waste of time...you'd have to actually cash them for it to be AP.
Quote:I have never cruised for anything in a casino but I have found tickets, coins and chips and have always done the right thing. If I know who they belong to, I tell the person. If abandoned, I cash it in and keep it.
I concur, but the laws are more stringent in PA, an active effort must be made by the ticket-finder to locate the person.
Quote:Disclaimer: I get all my legal opinions from "The Good Wife." Opinions may vary from state to state or from people who actually know what they're talking about which may not be me. :-) :-) Double smiley.
I'm not a lawyer, either, but I enjoy debating with you all the same.
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November 29th, 2014 at 5:37:14 PM
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Quote: GandlerTechnically the forum rules only say Actions that violate "Nevada and U.S." laws. Nothing at all about prohibiting discussion of other state laws being violated.
But I live in NJ, have no clue if its legal here, but I see people (including staff) do it in AC all of the time...
Personal Insult is the standard I am saying is violated, it's personal insult to accuse someone of a crime of any kind.
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November 29th, 2014 at 6:10:09 PM
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I believe that they call it "silver mining".
I didn't know that some people here consider that an AP play. Go figure.
I didn't know that some people here consider that an AP play. Go figure.
November 29th, 2014 at 6:39:18 PM
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Quote: GandlerBut I live in NJ, have no clue if its legal here, but I see people (including staff) do it in AC all of the time...
I'm reading
that in Nevada it's up to the casino
to enforce it and most of them don't
bother because the state gets 75%
of the money recovered. The casino
would rather let patron have it
because 99% of them will put in into
a machine and lose it.
"In spite of strong opposition from the casinos, Horne's bill was passed, meaning that as of July 1, 2011, 75% of the value of unclaimed winnings reverts to the state of Nevada; the casino's share of the bounty has now been cut to just 25%."
The NV casinos were totally against it,
so now they mostly ignore it. It doesn't
profit them to make any effort to catch
people.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 29th, 2014 at 6:54:43 PM
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Quote: KeyserI believe that they call it "silver mining".
I didn't know that some people here consider that an AP play. Go figure.
I've also heard it called, "Buffalo Hunting," or, "Sweeping." In jurisdictions where it's not illegal, I'd hardly consider it a, "Play," but I'm not above doing it if I am playing a nearby machine, or otherwise notice credits on a machine and come back ten minutes later after looking at stuff and they are still there. It tends to happen a good bit on machines where a person is Max Betting and doesn't have enough for another Max bet while not bothering to cash out.
I don't walk the entire floor, or anything, but if I'm making my way to a machine or checking out Progressives, or whatever, it's not exactly going out of my way to glance at the console and see if the, "Cash Out," button is lit up.
I'll also usually pop in a bill, or ticket, and make a play at Max bet just figuring the credits left behind as EV on the play, ticket out regardless of what happens on the play, unless the machine also happens to otherwise be advantageous.
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November 29th, 2014 at 6:58:22 PM
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Quote: Mission146but I'm not above doing it if I am playing a nearby machine,
I've done it, my wife does it, most
people I know do it. Except Axel,
who is apparently terrified of arrest.
I do it in Vegas if I see it, never gave
it a thought.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 29th, 2014 at 7:09:53 PM
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Quote: Mission146it's personal insult to accuse someone of a crime of any kind.
I believe that for it to be an insult, the accuser must know that the accusation is without basis.
A genuine accusation with a reasonable basis is merely a statement of fact.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 29th, 2014 at 7:16:35 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI've done it, my wife does it, most
people I know do it. Except Axel,
who is apparently terrified of arrest.
I do it in Vegas if I see it, never gave
it a thought.
I don't even know that he specifically said he has never done it, certainly anyone who has spent a significant time in the casino has done it inadvertently for some amount, he's just saying that such is not his play, and that if it were, he'd regularly be engaging in a premeditated illegal act.
I could also understand why a casino would want to toss people out who, literally, only do this. Alternatively, I could also see where a casino would want to toss someone who scours the entire floor, collects as much as possible, and then takes a shot at them on a high-limit machine, or something along those lines.
At the same time, for all the reasons previously mentioned, I agree that the casino shouldn't care much about people doing this in the course and scope of otherwise playing normally.
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