Stop reels command - how does it work?
When you hit that "stop" button, it is not the next three symbols on each virtual wheel that come to a screeching halt on the screen, but the three intended symbols that will suddenly be the next ones to roll down and stop.
OR, because they are spinning so fast that you don't realize it, they continue spinning for a partial revolution to the intended position.
Either way, the "Stop" button changes nothing except the speed of the game.
The only thing that you actualy, "Stop," on a video slot machine is the random number generator, which occurs after you have pressed the, "Spin," button, or, "Max bet," or what have you. The reels, "Spin," for no reason other than effect. The video slot machine could instantaneously display the result of the, "Spin," without any actual, "Spinning," if it was programmed in such a way, of course, that would be far less entertaining.
I should imagine that the house loves players who believe in such a way, or use the, "Stop," button for any other reason, though. Given that such players are playing at a negative ER, it just means that they are losing their money faster. I'd prefer to get my money's worth by at least watching the full revolution of the, "Spinning," reels. I suppose the only exception to this is hitting the, "Spin," button after a result in, "Free Games," simply because I don't feel compelled to sit there and watch every single individual line pay on a small win. I'm also stopping the RNG (or it will stop itself after the line pays are displayed) during Free Games, and essentially playing the machine faster, but again, since I can't know what the RNG result will be, I'm just theoretically losing faster by not watching the Free Games play out on their own.
I've witnessed any number of players, "Mash," the spin button and get result after result and then complain about the machine, "Never winning." The funny thing about that is that such players will often be ahead, at some point, but they don't even notice because they are too busy mashing and waiting for the jackpot. I've even heard people say that the machine pays out at a better percentage as a reward for playing faster, which is patently ridiculous. It's a computer program, the payout percentages are pre-determined and are only affected by how many credits you bet...and that is only the case with a payout table that is not perfectly graduated!
It works pretty good in the free spins bonus though. The board flips over and I try it on the now 2nd and 3rd reels. FWIW, I believe the Rng hasnt stopped until you touch the individual reels. But I don't really know that, just a guess.
Quote: Mission146Exactly.
The only thing that you actualy, "Stop," on a video slot machine is the random number generator
I doubt this is true. I think the moment you have hit the Spin button, the RNG is drawn. In my jurisdiction, there are signs saying you cannot alter the outcome of the game by pushing a 'stop' button. I think it only stops the reels earlier, which are just spinning for show, on the same spot they would have stopped on.
Quote: MoosetonI noticed on the slot machine "Mystical Fortune" you can very easily predict the wild symbols on the last reel. If you see a run of cards and then hearts, touch the screen quickly and you have a very easy shot at having multiple wild symbols on the reel. You can observe and try this with different symbols on maybe the last 3 reels. Thing is, I don't think it makes much of a difference, if any. If you stop all wilds on the last reel, more than likely you wont have a winning combination. Fun to experiment.
It works pretty good in the free spins bonus though. The board flips over and I try it on the now 2nd and 3rd reels. FWIW, I believe the Rng hasnt stopped until you touch the individual reels. But I don't really know that, just a guess.
Usually, the wilds come up more often on the last reels since they're less likely to matter when they're over there. Are you sure you're actually making a difference? I'd expect the hit frequency of those symbols to be high to begin with.
Quote: dwheatleyI doubt this is true. I think the moment you have hit the Spin button, the RNG is drawn. In my jurisdiction, there are signs saying you cannot alter the outcome of the game by pushing a 'stop' button. I think it only stops the reels earlier, which are just spinning for show, on the same spot they would have stopped on.
That's exactly what I am saying. When you first hit, "Spin," you stop the random number generator and get the result. The RNG cycles until that point, it doesn't just hop instantaneously from one result to another, for instance, it doesn't decide the outcome of the next spin during the spin currently active.
Quote: MoosetonI noticed on the slot machine "Mystical Fortune" you can very easily predict the wild symbols on the last reel. If you see a run of cards and then hearts, touch the screen quickly and you have a very easy shot at having multiple wild symbols on the reel. You can observe and try this with different symbols on maybe the last 3 reels. Thing is, I don't think it makes much of a difference, if any. If you stop all wilds on the last reel, more than likely you wont have a winning combination. Fun to experiment.
It works pretty good in the free spins bonus though. The board flips over and I try it on the now 2nd and 3rd reels. FWIW, I believe the Rng hasnt stopped until you touch the individual reels. But I don't really know that, just a guess.
Is it the Mega Line or the Five-Reels? That doesn't really affect anything, just curious.
The RNG stops when you hit the, "Spin," button. The individuals reels being touched does not matter in the slightest, you are simply expediating an already determined result.
Like RDW4Potus stated, you're going to see many Wilds on a reel that is typically inconsequential, or of minor consequence, regardless of the machine. To that extent, if that happens to be one of the reels, then you can, "Predict," that they will appear on every single spin and be correct much of the time.
QuickHits by the Slot Machine Gods at Bally Technologies is an excellent example of such a thing. The, "Free Games," symbols that come up are heavily weighted on the second and third reel and there are not as many on the fourth reel because you get a ding when you hit one on the second, then a louder ding on the second and third, and then the, "Free Games," if you hit one on all three middle reels. This is weighted with the intention of providing many, "Near misses," on the Free Games to keep the players spinning...and possibly encourage them to put in more money if they are, "Close," to getting Free Games within the last few spins of being tapped out.
It should also be noted on QuickHits that the most QuickHits symbols that can show up per reel are:
Reel 1: 1
Reel 2: 2
Reel 3: 3
Reel 4: 2
Reel 5: 1
The design is this way for a few different reasons. Here are the pays, assuming non-progressive:
3 QuickHits: 1 FOR 1
4 QuickHits: 5 FOR 1
5 QuickHits: 10 FOR 1
6 QuickHits: 50 FOR 1
7 QuickHits: 100 FOR 1
8 QuickHits: 1,000 FOR 1
9 QuickHits: 5,000 FOR 1
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The most common way to see the QuickHits is one or more on the third reel. This accomplishes a variety of things in terms of player retention:
1.) It keeps the QuickHits results visible. Though we read from left to right, a player's attention is largely going to gravitate to the center of this machine because the Free Games can only be had if reels 2-4 have a Free Games symbol, and again, the majority of your QuickHits are going to show up, by necessity, on reels 2-4.
-It's better the player not look at the first reel, anyway, it's largely a mixture of Wilds and low-paying symbols. The high-paying symbols are heavily weighted to the fourth and fifth reel. There are quite a few on the second reel, as well, but not as many high-paying symbols on the third. The third reel is largely low-paying symbols, and of course the QuickHits and Free Games symbols. There are a few Wilds on the third reel, but not many.
2.) If the player hits Three QuickHits on the third reel and nowhere else, (one of the most common ways you will see QuickHits) then no other win can possibly be had because it pays 1 FOR 1 and prevents any other paying result from happening. At the same time, however, the player is happy to see three QuickHits and, much as is the concept with Wilds and Bonus Games, will be led to believe that more are coming.
-It's funny because I imagine that if you had alternating results of not other than a losing result followed by three QuickHits down the middle, a player would reach for another $50 after losing $50 at a rate not even close to approaching the expected return!!!
3.) You could have one-two QuickHits show up on the third reel (absent any other QuickHits) and they might serve as a, "Line blocker," on what, if completed, would have been a pretty decent payout. In these instances, the players will be compelled to feel as though they were, "Really close," to hitting said decent payout. The Triple Blazing Sevens QuickHits machine is an excellent example of having a line blocked by the third reel. The best part of that machine is that many players don't really differentiate between the Single-Double-Triple Sevens very well and just figure that a line of Five Sevens kicks ass. It doesn't, but it compels many players to think they've had even more, "Near misses," on good payouts than they have actually had.
4.) The Free Games symbols, if only one-two of them, can also serve to block lines and make players think they had a close, "Near miss," on decent payouts. In addition, if you get one on the second reel and one on the third, but not the fourth, many players will be compelled to think more are coming!
Great machine.
I've never played Mystical Fortune. If I happen to notice it and remember, I'll stick a $5.00 in a penny one and play one line at $0.01/line for you and figure out what the player retention angle is and let you know. Video Slots must be compelling, above all, so there is ALWAYS a player retention angle.
That's just a link to the bonus round. The game has 6 reels. And 180-200 lines.
I am sure that I'm purposely stopping the 6th reel on the string of wilds. But it just won't matter because the game's winning lines won't reach all the way to the 5th or 6th reel. It's super easy to do on the last reel and not so easy to do on 5th reel. On the 4th reel you can do it but it's pretty tough. On the 4th reel I believe that the "trigger string" of cards then hearts appearing also has a "false trigger string" of those symbols that doesn't have a string of wilds following it. (instead it follows with a string of ring symbols.)
The thing is though, has the rng already stopped during the free games? Is your payout already decided?
Harrah's Cherokee is the only casino I can think of that has (or had as I have not been there in years) slots that require(d) skill or could have skill change the outcome of a spin. They had to make their slots play that way so that the machines would fall under the existing NC video poker laws at the time that their license was based on, a law that has since been repealed.
Quote: MoosetonThe game I was talking about is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giv8jhzwbyA
That's just a link to the bonus round. The game has 6 reels. And 180-200 lines.
I am sure that I'm purposely stopping the 6th reel on the string of wilds. But it just won't matter because the game's winning lines won't reach all the way to the 5th or 6th reel. It's super easy to do on the last reel and not so easy to do on 5th reel. On the 4th reel you can do it but it's pretty tough. On the 4th reel I believe that the "trigger string" of cards then hearts appearing also has a "false trigger string" of those symbols that doesn't have a string of wilds following it. (instead it follows with a string of ring symbols.)
The thing is though, has the rng already stopped during the free games? Is your payout already decided?
Very good, that's what's called a Mega Line machine. Dean Martin's, "Wild Party," is another excellent example of a Mega Line machine. The only difference there is it works somewhat the reverse way with Reels 1 + 2 having only two stops and the rest of the reels having more. I'm not sure how many the rest of them have off of the top of my head, because I've never felt compelled to play that machine or anything like it.
However, like I promised, if I find one and can make it spin for $0.05 or less, I'll figure out what the player retention angle is.
"...lines won't reach all the way to the 5th or 6th reel."
1.) The first thing that you realize, I'm sure, is that the number of stops per reel decreases by one for every increase by one to the number reel you are on. Even IF the reel assignments are all the same, you're going to be less likely to see a Heart, or what have you, on the final reel than on any other reel by virtue of there being less reel stops.
However, the reel assignments are probably not the same. The final reel assignment, I would guess, is hevaily weighted to displaying Wilds precisely for the reason that the lines simply aren't going to make it there very often.
2.) The fourth and fifth reels are probably your, "Near Miss," reels. What this is designed to do is basically (given the propensity to hit Wilds on the sixth reel) make you think that you were really close to hitting a massive payout involving the same symbol or Wild showing up on all six reels. That's going to keep you spinning because the brain naturally recognizes and identifies patterns, the brain will therefore equate being close to the massive payout (compared to previous spins) to a greater liklihood of hitting the massive payout on the next spin...or within the next few...when the liklihood had not actually changed by so much as one-trillionth of a decimal place. The liklihood of any result (on an individual line) is the same for any pull.
3.) There is no such thing as a, "Trigger-String," as such, there are simply reel assignments. Based upon what you have said, some, "Strings," of hearts assigned to the reel are designed to be followed by a, "String," of Wilds, and some are not. There is nothing more or less to that.
4.) There are not as many Wilds on the 4th/5th reels because the machine would be hitting for decent-good payouts all over the place constantly. Again, the purpose of having so many Wilds on the Sixth reel, but not on the 4th/5th is to make you think you have a, "Near-Miss," on a good payout.
The concept is no different than with single-line slot machines. The only difference is that there are no, "Blanks," on this particular video machine. In the case of a single-line slot machine, you could have 1st/2nd reels that are absolutely loaded with symbols and multiplying Wilds, but then have a third reel that is heavily loaded with blanks and low paying symbols. If you need three Sevens, for example, and there are thirty symbols per reel, you could have ten sevens on the first reel, five on the second, and only one on the third.
In this event, you would hit three sevens: 1/3 * 1/6 * 1/30 = .00185 of the time or 1:540, or .185%
However, you would see 7's appear on reels one and two: 1/3 * 1/6 = .05556 of the time, or 1:18 spins, or 5.5556%
I could have the payouts be 250 FOR 1 on one credit bet, 500 FOR 1 on two credits bet and 1199 FOR 1 on three credits bet. The Expected Value of the payout, then, is simply the payout amount multiplied by the probability of the event occurring. If a Credit is $1.00, then:
$250 * .00185 = $0.4625 on a $1.00 bet
$500 * .00185 = $0.9250 on a $2.00 bet
$1199 * .00185 = $2.21815 on a $3.00 bet (MAX CREDITS)
The purpose of this is to make people think they are, "Close," to seeing a result of Three Sevens. If people believe this way, then they will continue to feed money into the machine knowing that the Jackpot is, "Right around the corner." The problem is that the Jackpot is NOT right around the corner, and all a result of Two Sevens means is that you have lost!
It can fairly be said that if you expect to see Three Sevens 1:540 and Two (1st/2nd reel) 1:18, that you are expected to see 540/18 = 30, a Seven on the 1st/2nd Reel thirty times before you actually see it on all three.
The best part is that the machine is designed not to show, "All Blanks," on the third reel. If you have a blank, then you will see the next two results above and below.
If my RNG assignment on the thirty symbols is 1-Seven 2-17-Blank 18-Triple Bar 19-25-Blank 26-Single Bar 27-Double Bar 28-30-Blank, then if the RNG stops on 6, you will see the blank in the middle, the Seven above and the Triple-Bar below.
Now the Three-Sevens Jackpot appears to be even closer, if only that symbol had went down just half an inch!!!
Brilliant!!!
5.) The other thing that you have to realize, if you are playing Max Lines, is that the machine can be really liberal with wins on Reels 1-3 or maybe 1-4 because you can, "Win," but still lose money on the spin!!! This is because some lines will hit while others are simultaneously missing, and the Line Pays upon which you did get paid do not compensate for the total bet.
This was a brilliant idea as soon as the technology for Video Slots was realized. It increases what we call, "Hit Rate." For example, those QuickHits machines that I was discussing in my previous post ALL hit more than 50% of the time if you are playing Max Lines!!! Again, brilliant! The players think they are winning when they are actually losing, or even if they realize they are losing, they still think the machine is hitting pretty consistently.
Increase enjoyment, increase revenue.
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The RNG operates on a per spin basis when you are playing anything other than Free Games, and I would imagine it operates the same way during Free Games (though I can't be 100% sure) for a few reasons:
1.) Playing Time
-The faster a player plays, the faster a casino makes money. The goal of a casino is to average a certain amount of revenue per machine, per hour, during all hours of operation. It is for this reason that new machines are always coming out, why you will sometimes see new machines installed in a casino that already had those types of machines, and why you will occasionally see unprofitable machines disappear from the casino floor.
The point of all of this is that if there were some way to skip past all of the free games, by pressing something that might say, "See Results," or something to that effect, whereby the results of each, "Spin," would instantaneously be displayed on the machine, one right after the other, with no spinning, the casinos would be all for that! The players would be playing faster, the machine would make more money per hour.
The fact that there is no button by which one can quickly view the results of all of the, "Spins," in succession, leads me to believe that the RNG does not, pre-select the results. Further, there could also be a, "See pay," by which a player could skip the Free Games entirely and simply see the total monetary value of said Free Games...even faster.
2.) Programming
-Why would you program the RNG to behave differently situationally? That would just result in time (money) lost for whatever company designed the slot machine, and it wouldn't really serve a purpose to any of the parties involved if it is not going to make the games go any faster.
If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. I love talking about slots!
Quote: PokeraddictThere are places where slot machines must require skill. These are typically gray machines in bars and gas stations trying to skirt laws to become an amusement game under Dave and Buster or Chuck E Cheese laws in states without casinos. Virtually all real casinos are going to have slots that cannot have outcomes changed by a stop button.
Harrah's Cherokee is the only casino I can think of that has (or had as I have not been there in years) slots that require(d) skill or could have skill change the outcome of a spin. They had to make their slots play that way so that the machines would fall under the existing NC video poker laws at the time that their license was based on, a law that has since been repealed.
"Skill Games," is a really good one, in some cases!!!
Prior to Ohio finally getting out of the nineteenth century and legalizing gambling, there were many of these so-called, "Skill Games," until State Agencies began cracking down on them pretty heavily.
Do you know how some of them worked?
I'll tell you.
They showed the result of the spin BEFORE you bet, that's it!!!
There would be three denominations you could bet, usually $.05, $0.10 or $0.25, and all three of the denominations would have a different, yet already decided, result. Technically, you did not have to see the result of the next spin if you didn't want to, you had to hit a button to do so.
In effect, if you made a bet knowing it would lose, what you were really doing is betting on the result after the next result, which was unknown to you at that time.
I made a CRAPLOAD of money. OK, maybe not, but the first time I worked here it was a Front Desk Supervisor rather than Manager, so it added about 1/4th to my paycheck to have those machines here, before we had to pull them out.
How it worked was there were any number of people that failed to realize that you could see the result of the spin ahead of time, they just thought it was an ordinary slot machine. These people would play the machine and then leave when they ran out of money in the machine. It was at this point that I would go to the machine they had been playing and hit the button to see the result. If the result was going to be a winning result, I stuck in a dollar, took the win, viewed the next result, and behaved accordingly. I NEVER ONCE made a bet on those machines that I had any chance of losing!!!
Management didn't care, we were compensated for having the machine (I forget by who) and were re-compensated for any payouts. They were getting the money back, anyway.
Quote:3.) There is no such thing as a, "Trigger-String," as such, there are simply reel assignments. Based upon what you have said, some, "Strings," of hearts assigned to the reel are designed to be followed by a, "String," of Wilds, and some are not. There is nothing more or less to that.
Well I just made that term up. It's not like I'm making money off of this. Just trying anything other than what everyone else does. But I would be hard pressed to believe that anyone couldn't stop the 6th reel on at least one wild after seeing the Trigger string. Sometimes the wild symbol/s will be just one, most of the time, maybe about 4-5, even alot of the time it will be more than enough to cover every spot on the sixth reel.
Quote: MoosetonWhoa! How could you view the next result before it happened? Good for you. That's one hell of an observation. Can you find a pic of one of these?
It had nothing to do with me, it was a component of the machine, intentional. There was a button that said, "See result," or something to that effect.
I could not find a picture of that exact machine, (in fact, I only found a picture of one machine even similar, though I know of a truck stop outside of Columbus that still has them) but here are the kind of machines I am talking about:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/06/ohio-bar-game-caught-in-legal-battle/
This one is a, "Game of Skill," because you have to put the Wild symbol in the spot that pays the most money. If one puts the Wild symbol in a non-paying spot, he/she has demonstrated a lack of skill if a paying spot is available.
Anyway, one machine similar to this was a, "Game of Skill," because you could see the result of the spin ahead of time. The machine looked almost exactly the same as the one pictured.
Quote:Well I just made that term up. It's not like I'm making money off of this. Just trying anything other than what everyone else does. But I would be hard pressed to believe that anyone couldn't stop the 6th reel on at least one wild after seeing the Trigger string. Sometimes the wild symbol/s will be just one, most of the time, maybe about 4-5, even alot of the time it will be more than enough to cover every spot on the sixth reel.
It's fine, I wasn't criticizing your term, in fact, if the Wilds only follow the Hearts on that reel, then you are basically correct to call it that. That's just not how I would have phrased it, to me, they are just reel assignments.
To the rest:
1.) You are not doing anything to detract from your result by playing this way because the result was determined by the RNG as soon as you pressed the, "Spin," button. Your actions will not change the result unless it is specifically labelled a skill game. Because this is the case, you are free to do as you like.
It should be mentioned, however, that at a -ER, you are losing your money faster if you make the machine stop at its already determined result faster. Once again, this has no effect, either positive or negative, on that or any future spin. Thus, if that is what you want to do, and you feel like you are somehow controlling the result, then feel that way and have fun...that's what they are there for, to have fun.
2.) You are not doing other than what everyone else does, however. You are putting money into the machine, and you are spinning the reels. It is the only option aside from not playing.
3.) The only, "Bad," decision you can make at a slot machine is by not max betting on a Progressive or any machine where the payouts (compared to Line or Amount Bet) are not perfectly graduated. In my hypothetical machine with the 7's above, you would always want to Bet Max, otherwise you would reduce the ER.
There are also machines, such as Blazing Sevens, in which certain results do not count for anything unless you are betting a certain number of Credits/Line. You may go to WizardofOdds.com and look up the, "Deconstructing Blazing Sevens," page if you are interested in seeing a breakdown of how that works.
Finally, there are machines that have a perfectly graduated payout in relation to Credits per Line bet, but have a bonus if you hit for something on the 9th Payline as opposed to any other payline. In such cases, you may bet any number of credits/line that you wish, but if you do not play at least one credit on all nine lines, you are making a bad decision.
Quote: MoosetonSometimes the wild symbol/s will be just one, most of the time, maybe about 4-5, even alot of the time it will be more than enough to cover every spot on the sixth reel.
Four or Five? Wait a minute, looking at the YouTube video to which you linked me, don't you mean the first reel? There are only two symbols on the sixth reel.
EDIT: Never mind, it spins around during Bonus Games. What a pointless feature.
Quote: Mission146
EDIT: Never mind, it spins around during Bonus Games. What a pointless feature.
That's actually a pretty powerful feature, because the wilds are expanding. Here's video of the bonus in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw47dEWvDc0
Quote: rdw4potusThat's actually a pretty powerful feature, because the wilds are expanding. Here's video of the bonus in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw47dEWvDc0
That's true, but I don't like it.
It increases the importance of hitting the Free Games to a level I find absolutely intolerable. I would much rather have slow and steady pays with Free Games operating on the same premise of the base game any day of the week. However, assuming the ER of that machine and any other machine of that denomination is the same, it's simply a player-preference issue and matter of opinion.
Quote: Mission146
It's fine, I wasn't criticizing your term, in fact, if the Wilds only follow the Hearts on that reel, then you are basically correct to call it that. That's just not how I would have phrased it, to me, they are just reel assignments.
I was pointing out that if you see a run of decks of cards symbols and then immediately followed with a run of hearts then That is when there will be either a run of wilds or at the minimum just one wild symbol.
I'd like it if you gave the game a try and then tried in the free games to do it on the second reel.
Quote: Mooseton
I was pointing out that if you see a run of decks of cards symbols and then immediately followed with a run of hearts then That is when there will be either a run of wilds or at the minimum just one wild symbol.
I'd like it if you gave the game a try and then tried in the free games to do it on the second reel.
If my local casino has them, I will certainly give them a try for you.
I'm mean I'm assuming the way slots work are known, like, it's not protected information by the casino's or slot companies, and I'm assuming you Mission146 is is aware of it, because you're posts are very informative. It's just the above circumstance which gets me wondering.
Quote: repI've read this entire thread, which I know it is old, but there's great info in it, and I've done research in to this, but I guess the only thing that gets me is on some games, there will be the symbols that are stacked together, and they will fill a reel for 2 or 3 seconds of a 5 to 6 second spin, and if you don't press stop, it will usually go away, more likley then not, especially if it starts as soon as you hit spin. If it doesn't go away and you hit stop, I do realize it has the potential to spin off the screen and give what ever result was selected when you hit spin, but man, it really feels like if it's on that reel and I press stop, it will stay there.
I'm mean I'm assuming the way slots work are known, like, it's not protected information by the casino's or slot companies, and I'm assuming you Mission146 is is aware of it, because you're posts are very informative. It's just the above circumstance which gets me wondering.
The point is that the stacked wilds will go away or they won't, regardless of whether you stop the reels. The result is determined as soon as you hit the spin button; everything that happens after that is for entertainment purposes only. It's like fast-forwarding through a recorded show. You get to the end faster but it doesn't change the show's ending.
I know exactly what you are talking about.Quote: Mooseton
I seen this as well. It is strange that if its predetermined that if you do nothing they pass but if you hit stop they stay.Quote: repaway, more likley then not, especially if it starts as soon as you hit spin. If it doesn't go away and you hit stop, I do realize it has the potential to spin off the screen and give what ever result was selected when you hit spin, but man, it really feels like if it's on that reel and I press stop, it will stay there.
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Some machines the stop action put some the breaks fast others they keep rolling a bit.
I just cant imagine the slot makers would make something exploitable like this. But never say never.
If someone did find something exploitable, it probably wont last long talking about it.
For the most part yes but Not always. I have seen strange things with machines. I have even found some in the past. 99.99 % of the time guys like Tournament king are just off there rockers.Quote: onenickelmiraclepeople scamming themselves with their own ideas.
Some people find things and make a fortune.
Don't be surprised if in the future something comes out in the future regarding how someone did beat seemingly unbeatable slots.
cue low, throbbing, suspenseful music....:)Quote: AxelWolfFor the most part yes but Not always. I have seen strange things with machines. I have even found some in the past. 99.99 % of the time guys like Tournament king are just off there rockers.
Some people find things and make a fortune.
Don't be surprised if in the future something comes out in the future regarding how someone did beat seemingly unbeatable slots.
at a local casino i started noticing weird things when coverting the points to freeplay on the machine but it was small amounts such as a dollar here or five dollars there that seemed to go back on my card- i could never figure out or replicate how it happened- then one day i noticed it on 100 dollars and I though I might have something - i kept trying to figure out how it would magically appear back on my card then bingo .... by accident - it was 12 times point night and i had accumulated over 1300 in freeplay- the larger the denom of the game the higher the options were to donwload at once so I went to a dollar machine and was playing- somehow I got distracted and tried to download the points on video poker after hitting the deal button but prior to discarding my cards- the machine froze for a second and said something like download error unable to convert- i realized i was midhand and completled the hand I was on - WOW credits went up by 1000 and no money was dedcuted from my card- needless to say i didnt move I sat there for almost 6 hours until they closed - and got out almost 18k- keep in mind you still have to play it off at 5 dollars per pull . I went home and couldnt sleep waiting for them to reopen- I got away with this for 5 days- somewhere around 130k then security called- this was a sleepy casino and they noticed something clearly off- they already were well aware of me since I played there almost every day- the ap oppurtunites were amazing there but nothing lie this- i knew i was blowing up my home casino but still took the chance- they brought me into office and assured me I wasnt in trouble- they wanted to know what was going on and I could either tell them or be banned. They offered me 10k in comps and 10k in free play to show them it wasnt much of a choice since I already knew this wouldnt work anywhere else. I told them and they honored the 10k and 10k- and told me I couldnt redeem points for 60 days while they fixed it- 60 days went by and then 90 i decided just for giggles to see what would happen- boom - they never fixed it- i did it again for like 9 k then security came over and 86'd for life
but point of story - machines have errors, and things happen
Quote: strictlyAPtrue story - about 3 years ago a certain casino allowed you to covert your points to freeplay at the iview machine. not exactly sure how I found this and ill leave out some details as to software and what not incase I find it again- however since it was such a specific chain of events most people would never have the chance to get it anyway.
at a local casino i started noticing weird things when coverting the points to freeplay on the machine but it was small amounts such as a dollar here or five dollars there that seemed to go back on my card- i could never figure out or replicate how it happened- then one day i noticed it on 100 dollars and I though I might have something - i kept trying to figure out how it would magically appear back on my card then bingo .... by accident - it was 12 times point night and i had accumulated over 1300 in freeplay- the larger the denom of the game the higher the options were to donwload at once so I went to a dollar machine and was playing- somehow I got distracted and tried to download the points on video poker after hitting the deal button but prior to discarding my cards- the machine froze for a second and said something like download error unable to convert- i realized i was midhand and completled the hand I was on - WOW credits went up by 1000 and no money was dedcuted from my card- needless to say i didnt move I sat there for almost 6 hours until they closed - and got out almost 18k- keep in mind you still have to play it off at 5 dollars per pull . I went home and couldnt sleep waiting for them to reopen- I got away with this for 5 days- somewhere around 130k then security called- this was a sleepy casino and they noticed something clearly off- they already were well aware of me since I played there almost every day- the ap oppurtunites were amazing there but nothing lie this- i knew i was blowing up my home casino but still took the chance- they brought me into office and assured me I wasnt in trouble- they wanted to know what was going on and I could either tell them or be banned. They offered me 10k in comps and 10k in free play to show them it wasnt much of a choice since I already knew this wouldnt work anywhere else. I told them and they honored the 10k and 10k- and told me I couldnt redeem points for 60 days while they fixed it- 60 days went by and then 90 i decided just for giggles to see what would happen- boom - they never fixed it- i did it again for like 9 k then security came over and 86'd for life
but point of story - machines have errors, and things happen
great story. I had something similar happen with free play but not as big. About 5 years a local ran a promotion where if you played for 7 straight days you got $50 free play, 10 days $100, 15 days $200. The amounts and days might be off but it was something similar. Anyways, after I hit the max days I received my free play and played it off in a machine. On the way out of the place I decided to play another machine and when I loaded the card I noticed it said I had free play. I looked and there was $200 again. hmmm, lets try again. I moved over 1 seat and when I put the card I had $200 again. I ended up getting $200 5 times that day. The next morning I showed up again and when I put the card in it said I had $200. Again it worked for 5 different machines. This went on for 10 straight days. The sad part of the story is that I didn't know anything about video poker at the time and I played it off on penny machines and only converted it at about 80%. The casino never said a word to me about it.
Quote: strictlyAPdid it stop at five times per day or you stopped?
it stopped at 5 times. I tried a 6th and there was nothing.
