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Quote: NathanI have considerably lowered my gambling bets, doing 0.08 , 0.16, 0.18 , .38 cent bets and stating away from the $50 Roulette spins . 💡
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I wish to amend my earlier comment on cutting back on gambling to recommend you quit completely. You show all the signs to me of a compulsive gambler. If this offends you, I'll take a suspension upon request.
Interesting, because if I remember correctly, what ultimately led to justifying Kentry's nuke was for "his" own protection related to bad gambling habits.Quote: WizardQuote: NathanI have considerably lowered my gambling bets, doing 0.08 , 0.16, 0.18 , .38 cent bets and stating away from the $50 Roulette spins . 💡
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You show all the signs to me of a compulsive gambler.
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FYI Kentry IS Nathan.
Quote: camaplQuote: DieterQuote: Nathan💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I didn't know that WoV issues loans.
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You’ve never heard of WoV Banc, subsidiary of WoO Capital?
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I hope it is not still based in Cyprus.
So basically the gambling websites have contributed to what seems like a gambling addiction you can't afford. It's bad for you to hang around here.Quote: NathanI was playing BIG money trying to get praise and kudos from WOV and VCT, instead of playing the way I REALLY wanted to play. I was playing REALLY high bets like $50 on a SINGLE Roulette spin trying to impress WOV and VCT with how hard I am playing compared to when I was only playing literally a penny on just slot spins. I REALLY am comfortable playing LOW bets like .08 bets but thought I had to play REALLY big bets to impress WOV and VCT. I should have just stuck with the low bets all along.
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Unless you had a sweet deal on comps, the roulette wager you described was mathematically INSANE. You were literally guaranteeing to throw your money away.Quote: NathanI have considerably lowered my gambling bets, doing 0.08 , 0.16, 0.18 , .38 cent bets and staying away from the $50 Roulette spins . 💡
I was playing in Roulette $5 on each 0 and 00($10), an extra $1 for 0, an extra $1 for 00 $1 on each number from 1-18($18) 0.50 on 19-36($9) $1 on bottom of chosen number, $1 on 1-12 block, $1 on 13-24 block, $1 on 25-36 block, $1 on red, $1 on black, $1 on even, $1 on odd, $1 on top row, $1 on middle row, $1 on bottom row. 💡 $50 spin.
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Consider, for example the set of wagers of $1 on each of red and black and $1 each on each of odd and even, $1 on coll1, col2 and coll 3 (I guess you meant column, not row) and $1 on dozen1, dozen2 and dozen3.
That's $10 placed on the table. Whatever happens, those chips will return exactly $10 or $0. YOU CANNOT WIN 1c from those chips placed. You can only lose none or all from them. So what's the point of those $10 of chips???? You are placing them at risk with ZERO chance of winning. You can see the insanity of that, can't you?
Then consider the set of wagers $1 on each of 1 - 18 and 50c on each of 19-36
That's $27 placed on the table. You either pick up $0, or $36 or $18 for either a loss of $27 (green), a profit of $9 (Low) or a loss of $9(high)
You'd have a better result if you placed just 50c on each of 1-18, where you'd either have a loss of $9 (green), a profit of $9 (low) or a loss of $9(high)
Ie. with those wagers you are taking the chance of losing $18 for no reason at all. INSANE!
With double zero roulette, you will, on average lose 5.25% of the total amount you place on the felt. 5.26% of $50 is $2.63 That's what your $50 is costing you on every spin, on average. Your low risk wagering strategy is almost eliminating variance.
Mathematically INSANE.
Quote: NathanI was playing BIG money trying to get praise and kudos from WOV and VCT
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How long have you been on these forums? Do you really think your 'friends' on forums will give you kudos just for having high coin in?
Not friends: No Kudos due even if they were.
Quote: AxelWolfSo basically the gambling websites have contributed to what seems like a gambling addiction you can't afford. It's bad for you to hang around here.Quote: NathanI was playing BIG money trying to get praise and kudos from WOV and VCT, instead of playing the way I REALLY wanted to play. I was playing REALLY high bets like $50 on a SINGLE Roulette spin trying to impress WOV and VCT with how hard I am playing compared to when I was only playing literally a penny on just slot spins. I REALLY am comfortable playing LOW bets like .08 bets but thought I had to play REALLY big bets to impress WOV and VCT. I should have just stuck with the low bets all along.
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No longer interested in impressing WOV and VCT. I already regret those last two posts. I REALLY didn't think those last posts through when I posted them. ☢️
Is that exactly the way you would place $50. on a single spin of the roulette table, or did you describe it inaccurately? For how many spins would you lay down this $50. set like that, or was it just for one spin?
Quote: MDawgIf it took Nathan months to repay such a small amount and she needs more weeks to repay an even smaller sum to Wolf, I believe she should consider not gambling at all.
Look - Kerry Packer won and lost millions but he was a billionaire, and a pretty liquid one at that. If it takes anyone this long to repay a few hundred dollars then one should consider whether one may even afford to gamble.
All of this is posted with due respect to Nathan, and looking out for her best interests.
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Quote: WizardI wish to amend my earlier comment on cutting back on gambling to recommend you quit completely. You show all the signs to me of a compulsive gambler. If this offends you, I'll take a suspension upon request.
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Quote: gordonm888I agree with billryan ( !!! ) A loan is an agreement between two private individuals and WOV has no grounds for setting rules or stipulating terms and conditions. It is only when such a private behavior becomes so pervasive across our platform that WOV has an interest to step in and say "knock it off." I think that should be determined on a case by case basis.
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Yes I was getting ready to say something myself. Collecting one's own debts is legally problematic enough. Sociopaths and psychopaths walk among us, and being involved in arranging or collecting loans between third parties is not a position I would want to be in, if something creepy were to happen.
Some of the transactions and compIiance/enforcement actions have known to take place in the gaming world are things I would want no connection to whatsoever.
Quote: gordonm888I agree with billryan ( !!! ) A loan is an agreement between two private individuals and WOV has no grounds for setting rules or stipulating terms and conditions. It is only when such a private behavior becomes so pervasive across our platform that WOV has an interest to step in and say "knock it off." I think that should be determined on a case by case basis.
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I agree. This is not the Lending Club. If two consenting adults make a bet or loan, that is their business. However, it is done through this forum and it becomes a problem when the loser or borrower doesn't pay, then management may take action on a case by case basis.
Quote: MDawgA forum member asked to borrow a pretty substantial sum from me. To that member's credit, the member did say that had no idea when could repay, lol.
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I will accept 0% interest loans from all forum members. I will pay them all back in a year. I won’t even post here for a year until they are paid back.
This could be my side hustle!
Quote: FinsRuleQuote: MDawgA forum member asked to borrow a pretty substantial sum from me. To that member's credit, the member did say that had no idea when could repay, lol.
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I will accept 0% interest loans from all forum members. I will pay them all back in a year. I won’t even post here for a year until they are paid back.
This could be my side hustle!
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I will gladly loan you $1 if you agree not to post for a year. Please don't take this personally, I will make the same offer to any regular member.
Quote: DRichQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MDawgA forum member asked to borrow a pretty substantial sum from me. To that member's credit, the member did say that had no idea when could repay, lol.
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I will accept 0% interest loans from all forum members. I will pay them all back in a year. I won’t even post here for a year until they are paid back.
This could be my side hustle!
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I will gladly loan you $1 if you agree not to post for a year. Please don't take this personally, I will make the same offer to any regular member.
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I think I need about $1000 to make it worth it.
Quote: DRichQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MDawgA forum member asked to borrow a pretty substantial sum from me. To that member's credit, the member did say that had no idea when could repay, lol.
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I will accept 0% interest loans from all forum members. I will pay them all back in a year. I won’t even post here for a year until they are paid back.
This could be my side hustle!
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I will gladly loan you $1 if you agree not to post for a year. Please don't take this personally, I will make the same offer to any regular member.
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LOL, I know this is a joke, DRich, so I'm chill. But, obviously, I imagine that the owner of this site would probably have some opinions about serious offers to pay forum members to be inactive on this site for a lengthy period of time. Our forum rules can't anticipate every weird situation that might occur, such as this one, but . . . .
Of course, offers to pay moderators $100/ month to stay away from this site would receive some serious consideration by Dieter and I. That's just how we roll!
Quote: gordonm888Quote: DRichQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MDawgA forum member asked to borrow a pretty substantial sum from me. To that member's credit, the member did say that had no idea when could repay, lol.
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I will accept 0% interest loans from all forum members. I will pay them all back in a year. I won’t even post here for a year until they are paid back.
This could be my side hustle!
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I will gladly loan you $1 if you agree not to post for a year. Please don't take this personally, I will make the same offer to any regular member.
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LOL, I know this is a joke, DRich, so I'm chill. But, obviously, I imagine that the owner of this site would probably have some opinions about serious offers to pay forum members to be inactive on this site for a lengthy period of time. Our forum rules can't anticipate every weird situation that might occur, such as this one, but . . . .
Of course, offers to pay moderators $100/ month to stay away from this site would receive some serious consideration by Dieter and I. That's just how we roll!
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I neither confirm nor deny that I could be convinced to take a vacation for apparently 62% of a nice dinner.
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Of course, offers to pay moderators $100/ month to stay away from this site would receive some serious consideration by Dieter and I. That's just how we roll!
I appreciate the suggestion but that would be counterintuitive to my plan. I want to be the only active poster so my wisdom will be unveiled to the world without the ramblings of others. I do realize keeping moderators around will help me keep on point with the mission. Besides, where would I get a $100?
On second thought, I guess I PMing people for loans is allowed.
Quote: NathanI propose a new proposition for WOV. A ONE TIME get out of jail free rule when it comes to getting loans on WOV for example, I asked for $300 when I was in a REALLY bad financial situation and got it and paid it back and with this proposition, I would PERMANENTLY NEVER ask for another loan ever again. 💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I have to admit, when I came up with this weird idea, I was STILL okay with my finances. My finances today are in a LOT of trouble. ☢️😲
I generally don't like to suggest someone who may have a gambling problem gamble, but I don't think you're going to stop anytime soon.Quote: NathanQuote: NathanI propose a new proposition for WOV. A ONE TIME get out of jail free rule when it comes to getting loans on WOV for example, I asked for $300 when I was in a REALLY bad financial situation and got it and paid it back and with this proposition, I would PERMANENTLY NEVER ask for another loan ever again. 💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I have to admit, when I came up with this weird idea, I was STILL okay with my finances. My finances today are in a LOT of trouble. ☢️😲
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Given the amount of time that you spend on the forums, and given the amount of effort you had put into making sock puppets, asking for loans Etc.
I've told you this before, I'll will tell you it again.
There's lots of free money to be made at online casinos, free tournaments, blackjack, slots poker Etc. Free chips, free slot play, free contests... the list goes on. I can't tell you exactly what the hourly rate is when using just the free stuff but it's better than nothing.
I recently ran a free $250 free bet into multiple thousands. Heck, there are places you can earn money just by making posts.
You like to gamble, so why not do it without using your own money?
I told you this before, I can point you in the right direction, but you have dismissed it. I believe you even ignored my last private message regarding this.
Quote: NathanQuote: NathanI propose a new proposition for WOV. A ONE TIME get out of jail free rule when it comes to getting loans on WOV for example, I asked for $300 when I was in a REALLY bad financial situation and got it and paid it back and with this proposition, I would PERMANENTLY NEVER ask for another loan ever again. 💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I have to admit, when I came up with this weird idea, I was STILL okay with my finances. My finances today are in a LOT of trouble. ☢️😲
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What’s wrong with your finances?
Quote: FinsRuleQuote: NathanQuote: NathanI propose a new proposition for WOV. A ONE TIME get out of jail free rule when it comes to getting loans on WOV for example, I asked for $300 when I was in a REALLY bad financial situation and got it and paid it back and with this proposition, I would PERMANENTLY NEVER ask for another loan ever again. 💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I have to admit, when I came up with this weird idea, I was STILL okay with my finances. My finances today are in a LOT of trouble. ☢️😲
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What’s wrong with your finances?
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I'm going to OWE about roughly $400 when I was JUST completely okay literally 8 days ago! ☢️😲
Quote: FinsRuleBills suck.
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It's actually because of a $100 loan I paid that didn't transfer the right way and now I'm going to be SCREWED by $400! ☢️😲
Quote: NathanQuote: FinsRuleBills suck.
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It's actually because of a $100 loan I paid that didn't transfer the right way and now I'm going to be SCREWED by $400! ☢️😲
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You keep saying that as if anyone but yourself is responsible. You got in trouble by gambling more than you should to impress some strangers.
Quote: billryanQuote: NathanQuote: FinsRuleBills suck.
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It's actually because of a $100 loan I paid that didn't transfer the right way and now I'm going to be SCREWED by $400! ☢️😲
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You keep saying that as if anyone but yourself is responsible. You got in trouble by gambling more than you should to impress some strangers.
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I admitted gambling hard to impress WOV and VCT was an awful idea. ☢️
Quote: FinsRuleBills suck.
Uncalled for. BillRyan is a nice guy.
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Of course, offers to pay moderators $100/ month to stay away from this site would receive some serious consideration by Dieter and I. That's just how we roll!
I appreciate the suggestion but that would be counterintuitive to my plan. I want to be the only active poster so my wisdom will be unveiled to the world without the ramblings of others. I do realize keeping moderators around will help me keep on point with the mission. Besides, where would I get a $100?
On second thought, I guess I PMing people for loans is allowed.
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You could set up a GoFundME account.
This place gives people free chips about once a month, I knew I had one available and figured I would mess around while watching football.
There's a 15x the $100($1,500) max cash-out. If you complete your wagering requirements and win... you must make at least a $25 deposit.
I didn't see a maximum bet amount however I dont want to be accused of using an all-or-nothing strategy/system.
As you can see my account balance is over $1700. I started with a bang and hit for around 1k while betting $3.75. And then I hit that soon after.
I got very lucky, most of the time you go straight down using free, free slot play online, but once in a while, this happens.
I still have to wager over $2,500 I always wager at least 10% more than required. Supposedly I should only give back $300 more on average given the RTPs on their slots. However, in my experience, I expect to give back 40% of my balance before I complete the wagering. It could take 10 to 14 days to get paid.
But hey, $1,000 isn't bad for messing around with a free slot chip.
Quote: NathanI'm going to OWE about roughly $400 when I was JUST completely okay literally 8 days ago! ☢️😲
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Being down to your last few hundred dollars is literally NOT OK. Living paycheck to paycheck is NOT OK. At your age, you should have a few $thousand of rainy day money.
Quote: NathanIt's actually because of a $100 loan I paid that didn't transfer the right way and now I'm going to be SCREWED by $400! ☢️😲
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Screwed by $400 over something to do with a $100 loan? I'd love to understand how you worked that out.
Quote: NathanThank you Axelwolf for the suggestion, 😀 but I'm REALLY wary about doing online gambling. 😵💫
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I know AW is being kind, but you don't have the discipline or math savvy to be an advantage player. That much is obvious. So... AW is wrong to suggest you AP, even the most easy giveaway advantage.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: NathanI'm going to OWE about roughly $400 when I was JUST completely okay literally 8 days ago! ☢️😲
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Being down to your last few hundred dollars is literally NOT OK. Living paycheck to paycheck is NOT OK. At your age, you should have a few $thousand of rainy day money.Quote: NathanIt's actually because of a $100 loan I paid that didn't transfer the right way and now I'm going to be SCREWED by $400! ☢️😲
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Screwed by $400 over something to do with a $100 loan? I'd love to understand how you worked that out.Quote: NathanThank you Axelwolf for the suggestion, 😀 but I'm REALLY wary about doing online gambling. 😵💫
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I know AW is being kind, but you don't have the discipline or math savvy to be an advantage player. That much is obvious. So... AW is wrong to suggest you AP, even the most easy giveaway advantage.
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My candidate for post of the year.
I don't know if I can agree or disagree with this. Ultimately abstinence would be ideal.Quote: OnceDearQuote: NathanI'm going to OWE about roughly $400 when I was JUST completely okay literally 8 days ago! ☢️😲
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Being down to your last few hundred dollars is literally NOT OK. Living paycheck to paycheck is NOT OK. At your age, you should have a few $thousand of rainy day money.Quote: NathanIt's actually because of a $100 loan I paid that didn't transfer the right way and now I'm going to be SCREWED by $400! ☢️😲
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Screwed by $400 over something to do with a $100 loan? I'd love to understand how you worked that out.Quote: NathanThank you Axelwolf for the suggestion, 😀 but I'm REALLY wary about doing online gambling. 😵💫
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I know AW is being kind, but you don't have the discipline or math savvy to be an advantage player. That much is obvious. So... AW is wrong to suggest you AP, even the most easy giveaway advantage.
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I think she's going to gamble regardless. If that's the case, it would be significantly better to use free money to gamble with.
It's been discussed here that Tasha/Nathan has some special issues, I believe people with those types of issues are more prone to gambling problems, and compulsion issues where it's much harder to resolve. It may not be as easy of a choice as people think.
Quote: WizardI think the honeymoon period of Nathan's return has come to an end. That said, Nathan doesn't need two corners. Thus, I will be closing this thread in 24 hours. Please make your final remarks welcoming Nathan back.
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As promised, thread closed. Any replies may be made to Nathan's Corner.