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June 24th, 2025 at 1:16:31 AM permalink
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The main character is a woman and he's a man writing the book? I read many decades ago that the very best women are in books written by men because they miss the mark by so much of what women are really like. Just today I saw a video of a really good looking woman about 38 saying she went to the marriage counselor with her husband and said she wanted a divorce and her husband had absolutely no reaction at all. He said I can be out in 2 weeks, see ya, and he got up and left. She was very upset over his reaction when he was obviously so sick of her he couldn't wait to get away. Men do not understand women and women do not understand men and it comes out when they write about each other. Men usually portray women in books as having far more compassion and empathy and understanding and kindness than they ever do in real life. They are writing about what they want women to be, not what they really are. And no this has nothing to do with my wife, my wife is everything that I just stated. I'm talking about in general. But it took her a long long time to get there.
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On the other hand, there's what I've called the "Heinlein girl." It's a male fantasy, where you have a female who is physically completely feminine, but has attitudes, talents and behaviors like a man. So in theory it's someone that can be related to like a male peer, but also a sexual partner.

And I thought about that for a while. A woman who spends her day like me and does things my way would be the most odious battleaxe I've ever met. Worse than a bull.... you know. Like when they were talking about having a female James Bond. A woman who has sex with random men she meets at high-class social functions, then wakes up puking from the martinis and whatever else, before she starts her day we would call a "mess", not an "action hero." That would be an offensive character. In fact I can't recall any woman in fiction who was a major character with those attributes, can you? I can recall a few like that from real life. Not fun dates.
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Not fun because of the puking or because she slept with everyone else? 🤓
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June 24th, 2025 at 1:59:35 AM permalink
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The main character is a woman and he's a man writing the book? I read many decades ago that the very best women are in books written by men because they miss the mark by so much of what women are really like. Just today I saw a video of a really good looking woman about 38 saying she went to the marriage counselor with her husband and said she wanted a divorce and her husband had absolutely no reaction at all. He said I can be out in 2 weeks, see ya, and he got up and left. She was very upset over his reaction when he was obviously so sick of her he couldn't wait to get away. Men do not understand women and women do not understand men and it comes out when they write about each other. Men usually portray women in books as having far more compassion and empathy and understanding and kindness than they ever do in real life. They are writing about what they want women to be, not what they really are. And no this has nothing to do with my wife, my wife is everything that I just stated. I'm talking about in general. But it took her a long long time to get there.
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On the other hand, there's what I've called the "Heinlein girl." It's a male fantasy, where you have a female who is physically completely feminine, but has attitudes, talents and behaviors like a man. So in theory it's someone that can be related to like a male peer, but also a sexual partner.

And I thought about that for a while. A woman who spends her day like me and does things my way would be the most odious battleaxe I've ever met. Worse than a bull.... you know. Like when they were talking about having a female James Bond. A woman who has sex with random men she meets at high-class social functions, then wakes up puking from the martinis and whatever else, before she starts her day we would call a "mess", not an "action hero." That would be an offensive character. In fact I can't recall any woman in fiction who was a major character with those attributes, can you? I can recall a few like that from real life. Not fun dates.
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Not fun because of the puking or because she slept with everyone else? 🤓
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All of it. A party girl is a lot more fun in fantasy than reality. Issues...
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June 24th, 2025 at 7:31:15 AM permalink
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The main character is a woman and he's a man writing the book? I read many decades ago that the very best women are in books written by men because they miss the mark by so much of what women are really like. Just today I saw a video of a really good looking woman about 38 saying she went to the marriage counselor with her husband and said she wanted a divorce and her husband had absolutely no reaction at all. He said I can be out in 2 weeks, see ya, and he got up and left. She was very upset over his reaction when he was obviously so sick of her he couldn't wait to get away. Men do not understand women and women do not understand men and it comes out when they write about each other. Men usually portray women in books as having far more compassion and empathy and understanding and kindness than they ever do in real life. They are writing about what they want women to be, not what they really are. And no this has nothing to do with my wife, my wife is everything that I just stated. I'm talking about in general. But it took her a long long time to get there.
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On the other hand, there's what I've called the "Heinlein girl." It's a male fantasy, where you have a female who is physically completely feminine, but has attitudes, talents and behaviors like a man. So in theory it's someone that can be related to like a male peer, but also a sexual partner.
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When I was in junior high I started reading Robert Heinlein and I eventually read everything he ever wrote and he really ruined me for a while as far as women go. I thought women were just like the ones in his books and they were nothing like that in reality. His women were always perfect in every way, beautiful funny articulate caring loving always there for you. Then I started dating real women when I got older and all I found was one Scarlett O'Hara after another. And Scarlett O'Hara was created by a woman because she knew what women were really like. Men like Heinlein didn't have a clue.
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June 24th, 2025 at 11:03:14 AM permalink
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I am not so sure about that. After my divorce I dated a younger beautiful lady that I would call an older party girl (not that she was old (early 30's), but she was the stereotypical party girl that dated rich guys before me). It was a lot of fun. There really weren't issues for me because I never treated it like a long term relationship. I just enjoyed the ride until it was over.
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June 24th, 2025 at 11:16:05 AM permalink
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I am not so sure about that. After my divorce I dated a younger beautiful lady that I would call an older party girl (not that she was old (early 30's), but she was the stereotypical party girl that dated rich guys before me). It was a lot of fun. There really weren't issues for me because I never treated it like a long term relationship. I just enjoyed the ride until it was over.
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They eventually become a problem and it's best to let them become somebody else's problem and not yours. It is fun though.
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June 24th, 2025 at 11:33:42 AM permalink
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I am not so sure about that. After my divorce I dated a younger beautiful lady that I would call an older party girl (not that she was old (early 30's), but she was the stereotypical party girl that dated rich guys before me). It was a lot of fun. There really weren't issues for me because I never treated it like a long term relationship. I just enjoyed the ride until it was over.
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In my experiences with scenes like that, it makes me feel like a [I don't want to type that word] because she is consistently acting like a child.

Seriously, it creates that feeling as if I was getting involved in something very exploitative and bad. Creepy crawly! Bad touch! And if I think about why I am putting up with it, it degrades me. So I stay away from that.
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June 24th, 2025 at 12:03:49 PM permalink
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I am not so sure about that. After my divorce I dated a younger beautiful lady that I would call an older party girl (not that she was old (early 30's), but she was the stereotypical party girl that dated rich guys before me). It was a lot of fun. There really weren't issues for me because I never treated it like a long term relationship. I just enjoyed the ride until it was over.
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My experience is that party girls are great at a party, but not so great in other contexts.
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June 24th, 2025 at 12:19:24 PM permalink
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I am not so sure about that. After my divorce I dated a younger beautiful lady that I would call an older party girl (not that she was old (early 30's), but she was the stereotypical party girl that dated rich guys before me). It was a lot of fun. There really weren't issues for me because I never treated it like a long term relationship. I just enjoyed the ride until it was over.
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My experience is that party girls are great at a party, but not so great in other contexts.
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Most people are good at their jobs. If a party girl can't stand out at parties, she'll soon be an ex-party girl.
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June 24th, 2025 at 1:39:22 PM permalink
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In my experiences with scenes like that, it makes me feel like a [I don't want to type that word] because she is consistently acting like a child.



That wasn't my experience but again the girl I was with was older. I think I caught her at the end of her youth, and therefore the end of the sugar daddies. I knew one of her past boyfriends in Vegas, a great guy from a wealthy family but he was successful on his own and made tens of millions of dollars.
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June 24th, 2025 at 5:43:33 PM permalink
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In my experiences with scenes like that, it makes me feel like a [I don't want to type that word] because she is consistently acting like a child.



That wasn't my experience but again the girl I was with was older. I think I caught her at the end of her youth, and therefore the end of the sugar daddies. I knew one of her past boyfriends in Vegas, a great guy from a wealthy family but he was successful on his own and made tens of millions of dollars.
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The one I knew was a huge amount of fun to be with, always full of energy and curiosity and sexual desire. It only lasted about 6 months and then she was on to somebody else. I ended up hearing that she was married and divorced four times and now lives alone in her late seventies. She ended up alienating herself from everybody including her own children. That's what happens when you only care about yourself.
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June 25th, 2025 at 4:18:11 AM permalink
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I've read so much fiction in the past - I decided to read non fiction

I've read a lot on Wiki - they have some great articles with many different viewpoints -

I just finished reading a very long article about the Iran Iraq war that lasted about 8 years - 1980 - 1988

it was so very brutal - estimates of the total who died in the war are between half a million and one million - some suggest the number could be as high as 2 million

Iran had soldiers as young as 9 years old which they used to clear minefields - they were told they would become martyrs

they were also used in "human wave" attacks

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June 25th, 2025 at 2:08:37 PM permalink
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I've read so much fiction in the past - I decided to read non fiction

I've read a lot on Wiki - they have some great articles with many different viewpoints -

I just finished reading a very long article about the Iran Iraq war that lasted about 8 years - 1980 - 1988

it was so very brutal - estimates of the total who died in the war are between half a million and one million - some suggest the number could be as high as 2 million

Iran had soldiers as young as 9 years old which they used to clear minefields - they were told they would become martyrs

they were also used in "human wave" attacks

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I don't remember much specific about the Iran-Iraq war but what I always think of is: Iraq was considered the 3rd or 4th best military with lots of experience and the surrendered after three days of the coalition lead ground invasion.
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June 25th, 2025 at 2:52:21 PM permalink
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I've read so much fiction in the past - I decided to read non fiction

I've read a lot on Wiki - they have some great articles with many different viewpoints -

I just finished reading a very long article about the Iran Iraq war that lasted about 8 years - 1980 - 1988

it was so very brutal - estimates of the total who died in the war are between half a million and one million - some suggest the number could be as high as 2 million

Iran had soldiers as young as 9 years old which they used to clear minefields - they were told they would become martyrs

they were also used in "human wave" attacks

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I don't remember much specific about the Iran-Iraq war but what I always think of is: Iraq was considered the 3rd or 4th best military with lots of experience and the surrendered after three days of the coalition lead ground invasion.
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Iraq had one of the largest militaries in the world, but its equipment was outdated and years of embargoes left many jets without needed parts and software updates. Their war with Iran was one of massive attrition, and Hussein executed many Senior Generals for failures and disloyalty. Iraq's military planners thought they could build sand berms to drive Americans into kill zones, and that painting the road the same pattern as their tanks and trucks would render them invisible.
The only way Iraq had a chance was if they used their chemical and biological weapons, and that would have been a mistake.
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June 26th, 2025 at 4:21:37 AM permalink
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I've read so much fiction in the past - I decided to read non fiction

I've read a lot on Wiki - they have some great articles with many different viewpoints -

I just finished reading a very long article about the Iran Iraq war that lasted about 8 years - 1980 - 1988

it was so very brutal - estimates of the total who died in the war are between half a million and one million - some suggest the number could be as high as 2 million

Iran had soldiers as young as 9 years old which they used to clear minefields - they were told they would become martyrs

they were also used in "human wave" attacks

.
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I don't remember much specific about the Iran-Iraq war but what I always think of is: Iraq was considered the 3rd or 4th best military with lots of experience and the surrendered after three days of the coalition lead ground invasion.
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Iraq had one of the largest militaries in the world, but its equipment was outdated and years of embargoes left many jets without needed parts and software updates. Their war with Iran was one of massive attrition, and Hussein executed many Senior Generals for failures and disloyalty. Iraq's military planners thought they could build sand berms to drive Americans into kill zones, and that painting the road the same pattern as their tanks and trucks would render them invisible.
The only way Iraq had a chance was if they used their chemical and biological weapons, and that would have been a mistake.
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the U.S. did not engage in combat in the Iran Iraq war

it did provide support to Iraq during the war. This support included economic aid, intelligence sharing, and the sale of dual-use technology, but there was no direct US military involvement against Iran.

The Iran-Iraq War ended in a stalemate, with both sides accepting a cease-fire brokered by the United Nations in 1988. Exhausted and facing potential chemical attacks, Iran agreed to UN Security Council Resolution 598, which called for a cease-fire, despite its initial reluctance. The war concluded with neither side achieving decisive victory, and both returning to their pre-war borders.

Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988). Iraq's chemical weapons program, active since the 1970s, included the use of mustard gas and nerve agents, such as sarin and tabun, against Iranian troops and civilians. These attacks were documented by international observers and confirmed by the UN, who sent teams to investigate.

The U.S. fought Iraq in two major conflicts: the Persian Gulf War (1990-1991) and the Iraq War (2003-2011). The first phase of the Iraq War, a conventional conflict, began in March 2003.

Persian Gulf War (1990-1991):
This war began when Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990.
A U.S.-led coalition intervened, forcing Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait in February 1991.
The war was relatively brief, lasting from January to February 1991.

Iraq War (2003-2011):
The invasion of Iraq began in March 2003, with the initial aim to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction and remove Saddam Hussein from power.
The U.S. led a coalition of forces, including the United Kingdom, in the invasion.
The invasion phase was relatively short, with major combat operations declared over by May 2003.
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June 26th, 2025 at 6:53:00 AM permalink
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Anybody read this yet? It looks like it just came out last month.

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June 26th, 2025 at 5:44:25 PM permalink
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Anybody read this yet? It looks like it just came out last month.


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Has been out for a month on Amazon and it's only got two reviews, one of them was a non-verified purchase which means he was asked by the author to review it. It's just a compilation of stories about well-known AP's that we've all heard of. Looks like nothing new to me.
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June 26th, 2025 at 7:05:45 PM permalink
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Anybody read this yet? It looks like it just came out last month.


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The author has been making the rounds of the podcasts, plugging the book.

Based on what I've heard, he's smart enough not to do the exact same scripted interview on different podcasts, which I believe is a good sign.
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