Cooperation Game II

Quote: OnceDear

Nice one Prozema. probably saved me $$$. thanks.

Quote: prozema

you are giving up too easy. There are six other captains you can try and bribe.

Wait, what if I'm lying?

Quote: onenickelmiracle

I was just kidding, hope everyone votes share. I know it wasn't easy the last round to pull it off.

Quote: OnceDear

My comm's with Wizard are now a matter of record.
After a large JD or two, I offered him a silly sponsorship deal, conditional on someone stealing this round. That silly deal would have been good for the players in the next round and bad for my bankroll. Oh hum. with no steals, it's no deals.
Thanks for entertaining me.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I think it's a major mistake to take this as a done deal until time is up.

Quote: OnceDear

Thanks. I never said it's a done deal. It's a nail biter for me, and judging by Axel's latest posts, he's not sure either.
That's how it should be.
Everyone sharing all the time and cooperating like their lives depended on it is making the game boring.
Meanwhile, Forty other people don't care and are just waiting for their check. They don't even have to participate.

Quote: prozema

So round 9 will be over tonight... Does anyone else recall the wizard saying this would be a 12 round game?

If that's right, there is only another week or two left in the game.

Does the big pool need to start talking about how we are going to manage the pot? I.e. I assume people can withdraw and take their cash or try to double up... Who is going to double us up and how?

Also, do we need to set rules on the ??? People who might want to join? I.e. if you have more than the pool average you are in?

Quote: OnceDear

IIRC, Last time we did this, we had a separate thread for the pool parlay.
I reckon we should give some thought to setting rules on the ??? people. I'll bring a list into this post, shortly. First order of business should get confirmation that they really are ??? and that I haven't missed any declarations.
Personally, I'm inclined to say that they should not be allowed to join the pooling, even if they have more than the average winnings and that only members of the big pool get the option to go forward into the parlay on an even footing.
We should aim to reduce or minimise Wizard's administrative issues of sending out funds.

Quote: Nathan

I personally think the vote should be due anytime TOMORROW since not everyone has the same time zone. For example, 9 PM Vegas time could mean 4 am in another Continent when people are sleeping. This was a real problem on another website where they ended a big thing. There was a mention of something like,"This will end at 3 PM Eastern Time on February 20th. ." To many people, 3 Pm Eastern Time is only 12 noon in their Time Zone and they complained they were in the middle of writing their decision, when boom, the big thing suddenly ended. They mentioned it ending the next day would have been ideal.

Quote: OnceDear

Member	Sharing?	round1	round2	round3	round4	round5	round6	round7	round8	Total
Boz	No-Show	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-
HeyMrDJ	No-Show	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: OnceDear

Member	Sharing?	round1	round2	round3	round4	round5	round6	round7	round8	Total
Boz	No-Show	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-
HeyMrDJ	No-Show	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-

Which reminds me. I'm still awaiting clarification on whether the no-shows and Bill Ryan should have been allocated any part of their stealing teams share of the prize for those rounds where they left before the vote.
In my table, I'v assumed 'no': Wizard's table assumes 'yes'
I understand that BillRyan surrendered his meagre share to the big pool and doesn't want anything back from it?

Quote: OnceDear

Which reminds me. I'm still awaiting clarification on whether the no-shows and Bill Ryan should have been allocated any part of their stealing teams share of the prize for those rounds where they left before the vote.
In my table, I'v assumed 'no': Wizard's table assumes 'yes'
I understand that BillRyan surrendered his meagre share to the big pool and doesn't want anything back from it?

Quote: Mission146

My understanding is that they should get the prize for any round that they started. I have no idea about anyone else, but in the case of BillRyan, he would get the prize for the round that he dropped out and I joined.

Quote: prozema

I'm sure it's not my call to make, but no golfer gets paid who doesn't finish the match.

Quote: Mission146

My understanding is that they should get the prize for any round that they started. I have no idea about anyone else, but in the case of BillRyan, he would get the prize for the round that he dropped out and I joined.

Quote: AxelWolf

TBH, I would take it very personally if anyone I elected captain choose to vote steal.

Most people know it's not about the money.

Quote: OnceDear

It mostly affects AyeCarumba and Prozema, to whom I allocate $1 each from round 1 having seized it from HeyMrDJ and Boz.

I suppose I could look at when those latter two last logged in?

Quote: Romes

(at least Axel is sweating... I got what I wanted out of this round =D ).

Quote: prozema

No way... Just trust Ayecarumba and I. It's often better to ask forgiveness than to get premission.

Think of me like a miniature devil on you shoulder.

;-)

Quote: Ayecarumba

33 players are at a craps table whan the shooter, after establishing his point, walks away from his passline bet. What happens to his abandoned bet? I think the same should apply here.

Quote: Romes

lol, it's a forums game. Let's borrow 5 figures of money from one another, pay it back, interest, cuts, etc, etc, and that's putting your money where your mouth is. A forum game, in which you're supposed to lie and steal, is not indicative of anything outside of the forums...

SO STEAL AWAY MY MINIONS!

(at least Axel is sweating... I got what I wanted out of this round =D ).

Quote: AxelWolf

You fail to realize there is no situation or outcome that makes it a loss for me.

Quote: AxelWolf

You fail to realize there is no situation or outcome that makes it a loss for me.

Quote: OnceDear

I do get a bee in my bonnet when people say 12am or 12pm or midnight on such a day, because AM means before 12 and pm means after 12, so 12am and 12pm are conventionally avoided and 23:59 is more explicit.*

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: OnceDear

Member	Sharing?	round1	round2	round3	round4	round5	round6	round7	round8	Total
Boz	No-Show	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-
HeyMrDJ	No-Show	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-

Which reminds me. I'm still awaiting clarification on whether the no-shows and Bill Ryan should have been allocated any part of their stealing teams share of the prize for those rounds where they left before the vote.
In my table, I'v assumed 'no': Wizard's table assumes 'yes'
I understand that BillRyan surrendered his meagre share to the big pool and doesn't want anything back from it?

Quote: GWAE

no faith.... This is a team game and I am a team guy. There is no I in team....

Quote: Wizard

Yes, they get a share. As long as their name was listed at the beginning of the round, they are entitled to their share for the round. Makes my accounting easier.

1. Each team must submit an integer greater or equal to 1.
2. The team that submits the lowest unique number shall win the pot.
3. In the event no team submits a unique number, then nobody wins anything.
4. The winning team wins $25.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: OnceDear

Which reminds me. I'm still awaiting clarification on whether the no-shows and Bill Ryan should have been allocated any part of their stealing teams share of the prize for those rounds where they left before the vote.
In my table, I'v assumed 'no': Wizard's table assumes 'yes'
I understand that BillRyan surrendered his meagre share to the big pool and doesn't want anything back from it?

Yes, they get a share. As long as their name was listed at the beginning of the round, they are entitled to their share for the round. Makes my accounting easier.

Quote: Wizard

Each team must submit an integer greater or equal to 1...

Quote: Mission146

It’s a completely new game!

Here’s my thinking:

The first thing we have to do is make sure that the $25 goes out, so in order to do that, we have to make sure at least one team picks a unique number. We don’t want that team to sacrifice a chance of being the winning team, though.

1. There are seven teams, so I think that one of the teams with a leader in the main pool should declare and promise to pick the number, “Four.”

The reason why is that leaves six teams who all must pick either 1, 2 or 3. I guess they could pick a number greater than four, but they would automatically lose.

The six teams each get to pick 1, 2 or 3 and hope to be the only team to pick that number, while the team who picks four hopes that the six teams each duplicate each other on one of the three numbers.

No matter what happens, the $25 is guaranteed to go out. This also somewhat simplifies the number picking process.

2. Alternatively, the other six teams can just use random.org to generate a random number between 1-3 and pick that.

3. OR: All teams can use random.org and pick a number between 1-7. However, once that number is picked, it cannot be picked again. We can even have a disinterested third-party use random.org to assign the numbers to the teams. We can have them announce it all at once or one at a time.

Quote: Romes

To me it's the inverse of one of the previous rounds, where we ALL STEAL except 1 team SHARE. This is going to essentially be an ALL SHARE with 1 team STEAL.

In order for the $25 not to go squandered, we should publicly discuss our numbers, so we don't end up with all the teams picking the same numbers and risk the Wizard laughing at all of us, for not cooperating.

Quote: Ayecarumba

Sounds good. Team 6 volunteers to pick 4

Quote: Wizard

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Example:

Team	Number
1	1
2	13
3	2
4	1
5	7
6	2
7	523

Team 5 would win because they submitted the lowest unique number (7). Note how two teams picked 1 and two picked 2.

Quote: Ayecarumba

...Do the submissions also have to be prime?

Quote: Mission146

I think the, “One team picks four,” idea will maximize the fun for the most people trying to come up with a 1-3 strategy.

Axel got to have his fun picking captains during the present round, and I’m also on Axel’s team in this upcoming round. I think we should be the team to bite the bullet and pick the number, “Four.” I seriously doubt we win by doing so, but everyone else will get to have fun.

Quote: MaxPen

Why not just have team 4 pick 4.

Quote: Mission146

Does OD agree to that?

Quote: Wizard

Deadline for round 10 is 9 AM Vegas time, Tuesday, July 31.

Strategy Tip

Be the first one to state "I'm taking 1 for sure." Anyone else taking it would be shooting themselves in the foot, because it would take both of you out for the running. Who has the balls to win?

Quote: Mission146

It’s a completely new game!

Here’s my thinking:

The first thing we have to do is make sure that the $25 goes out, so in order to do that, we have to make sure at least one team picks a unique number. We don’t want that team to sacrifice a chance of being the winning team, though.

1. There are seven teams, so I think that one of the teams with a leader in the main pool should declare and promise to pick the number, “Four.”

The reason why is that leaves six teams who all must pick either 1, 2 or 3. I guess they could pick a number greater than four, but they would automatically lose.

The six teams each get to pick 1, 2 or 3 and hope to be the only team to pick that number, while the team who picks four hopes that the six teams each duplicate each other on one of the three numbers.

No matter what happens, the $25 is guaranteed to go out. This also somewhat simplifies the number picking process.

2. Alternatively, the other six teams can just use random.org to generate a random number between 1-3 and pick that.

3. OR: All teams can use random.org and pick a number between 1-7. However, once that number is picked, it cannot be picked again. We can even have a disinterested third-party use random.org to assign the numbers to the teams. We can have them announce it all at once or one at a time.