Cooperation Game II

Quote: JohnnyQ

Uhh what ?

Quote: UKMark

This is tough.....being the captain when I have little/no history with you lot and the previous games.

On one hand I get info that seems to be confirmed in another post with added incentive to vote a certain way.

I thought the idea of this game was to get $$ from the Wizard but some just like to throw a spanner in the works for a bit of fun, and I don't blame them, which leaves with my dilemma......which way to vote???????

So voting "share" which is my preferred option as it gets the most for the pool will probably not work as there will at least one team voting steal.

Voting "steal" goes against what I want to do but at least spreads the pot around, unless all other teams vote "share" (unlikely) however, voting to steal may be a better bet if we ALL vote steal as this is not what the Wizard would expect, it also stops those not into pooling getting anything but loses value for the pooling members.

So after all of that....................the vote is in

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: RS

If everyone votes SHARE, I will personally donate $100 to myself.

Will you be pooling that with Mission146 and MaxPen or will you be screwing them over?

Or is this your formal resignation from the cool pool.
They should set you adrift if thats the case

Quote: RS

We should do the $1/$2 thing, like we did last time we played this game. However, someone (or maybe more than 1?) is chosen who picked $2 and they are somehow punished...either they're out of the game, or their balance gets reset to $0 and others get their pie.....idk something like that.

Quote: AxelWolf

I have only half-heartedly kept tabs on this thread.

I'm catching bits and pieces as we go.

I did notice a few things. I said I would pool my winnings with all other poolers.

I will honor that from what has happened so far including this round.


So we are clear, from now on, and in the future, I am only pooling with people who are playing ball, i.e. cooperating. If I feel someone has declared they will pool their winnings, but they only said that to get the best of both worlds, I won't go for that. That is sneaky, underhanded lying to me.

I see RS has a separate pool. I'm not sure what that's all about. I have a feeling it's along the lines of what I had offered the first time we played this. I.E. Used the money on some local +EV sure-fire zero/min risk winning plays and pump it up a bit. Then perhaps use that one some + long shots(?) I'm not sure what the deadline was or what requirements he requested to get into that pool(?). I think he said you could not have had been in the main pool? Whatever the case, I now have to factor that into my voting. I didn't want this to get too convoluted, especially since the amount is negligible, but it is what it is.

Quote: RS

I'm just trying to make it as convoluted as possible.

Quote: Nathan

Axel, Wizard has said he wants this game to go 12 rounds IIRC. :)

Quote: AxelWolf

I have only half-heartedly kept tabs on this thread and whats really going on.

I'm catching bits and pieces as we go.

I did notice a few things that made me wonder, but let's move on.

I said I would pool my winnings with all other poolers.

I will honor that from what has happened so far, including this round.


So we are clear, from now on, and in the future, I am only pooling with people who are playing ball, i.e. cooperating. If I feel someone has declared they will pool their winnings, but they only said that to get the best of both worlds, I won't go for that. That is sneaky, underhanded lying to me. Some sneaking and lying is ok, but not when it comes to that aspect of the game IMO.

I see RS has a separate pool. I'm not sure what that's all about. I have a feeling it's along the lines of what I had offered the first time we played this. I.E. Used the money on some local +EV sure-fire zero/min risk winning plays and pump it up a bit. Then perhaps use that on some +EV long shots(?) I'm not sure what the deadline was or what requirements he requested to get into that pool(?). I think he said you could not have had been in the main pool, of so it was closed to you? Whatever the case, I now have to factor that into my voting. I didn't want this to get too convoluted, especially since the amount is negligible, but it is what it is.

Whatever the case, if RS pooling is closed that's fine, If not, I would be willing to work with him on investing the pooled funds on some small, little to no risk plays for whoever wants to pool their funds.

If RS's pooling is closed, I will make the same offer to anyone pooling in good faith. There is only a small chance something will go wrong and the pool won't grow. That would only be if the location or a member FK's us(I would only rely on someone I felt good about) or some rare circumstance I can't even think of right now.

Once the investment has grown to its max "risk-free" potential within a reasonable amount of time we can figure out what everyone wants to do with the money at that point. Whats a reasonable amount of time? That depends on how far we want to go and how many plays we want to invest in(talk about that as we go).

There are not too many plays that are "risk-free", convenient(local) and worth doing. I wouldn't obligate myself for more than a few plays since the time and effort wouldn't be good for me personally. I would look at it as a fun little venture. Updates on the money would be made, but I won't disclose the plays or locations(I doubt RS will either, or we will send out a hit on him).

After that, If everyone wants to go big or go home, I would suggest waiting for a good week on the 1/2 parlays like I suggested(kept suggesting) last time and we would have crushed it that week, however, Romes was in charge and I had no money invested in the pool at that point( we did have a very nice week on our own that particular week). If we do any 1/2 football parlays everyone will know what bets were made and for how much so all can sweat the action.

I will have no part in investing the money in some -EV venture or -EV longshot, If the majority wants to go with Nathans Lotto picks or invest it in Mega Bucks I will take my profits and turn over the rest to whoever wants to take on that task.

P.S. Any winnings will be turned over to Mike to be sent out to the members(or whoever wants to be responsible for sending the money out). I won't be responsible for sending people their money individually.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Axel,

There are 2 different things going on here. I'm not sure everyone understands that.

1. There are many people sharing their winnings. This is different from whether you share or steal. There is a large pool, and RSs small pool.

Once the game is over, everything people have won gets put into a pot, divided by all the people who agreed to pool. Some of those people will take their pool winnings and do something else with it: others want to put them together and make a smart bet with THAT group's money.

2. The group that makes a group bet after the game is over is not limited to those in the pool. Non-sharers are welcome to put their winnings in as a percentage also. THEN we figure out what we want to bet on.

I personally would be thrilled for you to find a play for us, or even several. If you hear there's one in the Southeast, I would be happy to do it under your direction. I think other people in other parts of the country would be willing to do the same. But I think that seed money can go as far as you, or the group, wants to take it. I could see a continuing thread about that money and whatever details can be posted being really interesting.

Quote: AxelWolf

I have only half-heartedly kept tabs on this thread and whats really going on.

I'm catching bits and pieces as we go.

I did notice a few things that made me wonder, but let's move on.

I said I would pool my winnings with all other poolers.

I will honor that from what has happened so far, including this round.


So we are clear, from now on, and in the future, I am only pooling with people who are playing ball, i.e. cooperating. If I feel someone has declared they will pool their winnings, but they only said that to get the best of both worlds, I won't go for that. That is sneaky, underhanded lying to me. Some sneaking and lying is ok, but not when it comes to that aspect of the game IMO.

I see RS has a separate pool. I'm not sure what that's all about. I have a feeling it's along the lines of what I had offered the first time we played this. I.E. Used the money on some local +EV sure-fire zero/min risk winning plays and pump it up a bit. Then perhaps use that on some +EV long shots(?) I'm not sure what the deadline was or what requirements he requested to get into that pool(?). I think he said you could not have had been in the main pool, of so it was closed to you? Whatever the case, I now have to factor that into my voting. I didn't want this to get too convoluted, especially since the amount is negligible, but it is what it is.

Whatever the case, if RS pooling is closed that's fine, If not, I would be willing to work with him on investing the pooled funds on some small, little to no risk plays for whoever wants to pool their funds.

If RS's pooling is closed, I will make the same offer to anyone pooling in good faith. There is only a small chance something will go wrong and the pool won't grow. That would only be if the location or a member FK's us(I would only rely on someone I felt good about) or some rare circumstance I can't even think of right now.

Once the investment has grown to its max "risk-free" potential within a reasonable amount of time we can figure out what everyone wants to do with the money at that point. Whats a reasonable amount of time? That depends on how far we want to go and how many plays we want to invest in(talk about that as we go).

There are not too many plays that are "risk-free", convenient(local) and worth doing. I wouldn't obligate myself for more than a few plays since the time and effort wouldn't be good for me personally. I would look at it as a fun little venture. Updates on the money would be made, but I won't disclose the plays or locations(I doubt RS will either, or we will send out a hit on him).

After that, If everyone wants to go big or go home, I would suggest waiting for a good week on the 1/2 parlays like I suggested(kept suggesting) last time and we would have crushed it that week, however, Romes was in charge and I had no money invested in the pool at that point( we did have a very nice week on our own that particular week). If we do any 1/2 football parlays everyone will know what bets were made and for how much so all can sweat the action.

I will have no part in investing the money in some -EV venture or -EV longshot, If the majority wants to go with Nathans Lotto picks or invest it in Mega Bucks I will take my profits and turn over the rest to whoever wants to take on that task.

P.S. Any winnings will be turned over to Mike to be sent out to the members(or whoever wants to be responsible for sending the money out). I won't be responsible for sending people their money individually.

Quote: GWAE

I would be willing to join you and RS in a group. The large group has a large amount of people who want to share yet they are not working together to maximize the amount that can be shared. It really makes no sense. In this last round there were 2 people that said they were stealing which is why I went steal.

Quote: Wizard

Here are the teams for round six. Please note the second column is for the team captain.

This time I'm going to try harder to get everyone to vote share. $10 prize pool or $30 if everyone shares.

Team	Leader	Followers	Vote
1	SM777	OnceDear, Jmarch79, MidwestAP, UKMark
2	Mission146	DJTeddyBear, JohnnyQ, AxelWolf, beachbumbabs
3	troopscott	RS, miplet, onenickelmiracle, Nathan
4	GWAE	gordonm888, MaxPen, Dalex64, Romes
5	djatc	Ayecarumba, Mikey75, prozema, SOOPOO
6	Face	Jufo81, PlayYourCardsRight, gamerfreak
7	Keeneone	Torghatten, Joeman, PokerGrinder

Quote: troopscott

Quote: Wizard

Here are the teams for round six. Please note the second column is for the team captain.

This time I'm going to try harder to get everyone to vote share. $10 prize pool or $30 if everyone shares.

Team	Leader	Followers	Vote
1	SM777	OnceDear, Jmarch79, MidwestAP, UKMark
2	Mission146	DJTeddyBear, JohnnyQ, AxelWolf, beachbumbabs
3	troopscott	RS, miplet, onenickelmiracle, Nathan
4	GWAE	gordonm888, MaxPen, Dalex64, Romes
5	djatc	Ayecarumba, Mikey75, prozema, SOOPOO
6	Face	Jufo81, PlayYourCardsRight, gamerfreak
7	Keeneone	Torghatten, Joeman, PokerGrinder

Does anyone know what page the pool vs non pool list is?

Quote: troopscott

Quote: Wizard

Here are the teams for round six. Please note the second column is for the team captain.

This time I'm going to try harder to get everyone to vote share. $10 prize pool or $30 if everyone shares.

Team	Leader	Followers	Vote
1	SM777	OnceDear, Jmarch79, MidwestAP, UKMark
2	Mission146	DJTeddyBear, JohnnyQ, AxelWolf, beachbumbabs
3	troopscott	RS, miplet, onenickelmiracle, Nathan
4	GWAE	gordonm888, MaxPen, Dalex64, Romes
5	djatc	Ayecarumba, Mikey75, prozema, SOOPOO
6	Face	Jufo81, PlayYourCardsRight, gamerfreak
7	Keeneone	Torghatten, Joeman, PokerGrinder

Does anyone know what page the pool vs non pool list is?

Quote: Keeneone

Wizard, what is the voting deadline?

Quote: Mission146

I have already submitted our vote to share.

Quote: troopscott

Check your pm

Quote: Mission146

Wrong order! I should be told to check my PM after I’ve been PM’ed something, not before.

Quote: Wizard

Here are the teams for round six. Please note the second column is for the team captain.

This time I'm going to try harder to get everyone to vote share. $10 prize pool or $30 if everyone shares.

Team	Leader	Followers	Vote
1	SM777	OnceDear, Jmarch79, MidwestAP, UKMark
2	Mission146	DJTeddyBear, JohnnyQ, AxelWolf, beachbumbabs
3	troopscott	RS, miplet, onenickelmiracle, Nathan
4	GWAE	gordonm888, MaxPen, Dalex64, Romes
5	djatc	Ayecarumba, Mikey75, prozema, SOOPOO
6	Face	Jufo81, PlayYourCardsRight, gamerfreak
7	Keeneone	Torghatten, Joeman, PokerGrinder

Quote: Mission146

Okay, guys, this should be really easy this round.

.....anyone who steals will split $10 amongst himself and his team. That means, there's only any meaningful percentage benefit if only one team steals because two teams benefit percentage-wise, but only barely, if two teams steal. If three teams steal, than each individual person on each of the three teams benefits LESS than they would have (in dollars and cents, well, cents and cents) than they would have had everyone just decided to share.

Quote: gordonm888

Edit: I notice that Teams 4-7 are unchanged between Round 5 and 6. Same team captains, same team members.

Quote: GWAE

hopefully we can get a group to actually share, but I am not hopeful.


I just submitted my vote to wizard.

Quote: troopscott

I would be interested to see everyone post a screenshot of their vote to the wizzard

Quote: RS

You first. [/I have not sent mine yet