What is America's tallest building now?
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November 9th, 2013 at 8:26:42 AM
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Facts to consider before voting:
1. The Willis Tower in Chicago (formerly known as the Sears tower) stands 1,450 feet tall without the radio tower and 1,729 with it.
2. The new World Trade Center building stands 1,368 feet tall without the spire, and 1,776 feet with it.
The issue at stake is whether or not to count radio towers and spires in determining the tallest building. I think the current convention is to count spires but not radio towers. This could lead to the question of whether the spire on the World Trade Center is a glorified radio tower.
For purposes of the poll, forget convention, and vote according to how you think both buildings should be measured.
The question for the poll is which building should be considered the tallest building in America.
Also, do you think the World Trade Center should get sympathy consideration, given the history of it? If you voted for the World Trade Center, how would you feel about a 1,777 foot cell phone tower with a storage shed at the bottom?
Story: 1 World Trade Center vs. Willis Tower: Which is tallest building in US?.
1. The Willis Tower in Chicago (formerly known as the Sears tower) stands 1,450 feet tall without the radio tower and 1,729 with it.
2. The new World Trade Center building stands 1,368 feet tall without the spire, and 1,776 feet with it.
The issue at stake is whether or not to count radio towers and spires in determining the tallest building. I think the current convention is to count spires but not radio towers. This could lead to the question of whether the spire on the World Trade Center is a glorified radio tower.
For purposes of the poll, forget convention, and vote according to how you think both buildings should be measured.
The question for the poll is which building should be considered the tallest building in America.
Also, do you think the World Trade Center should get sympathy consideration, given the history of it? If you voted for the World Trade Center, how would you feel about a 1,777 foot cell phone tower with a storage shed at the bottom?
Story: 1 World Trade Center vs. Willis Tower: Which is tallest building in US?.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2013 at 8:38:19 AM
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Needle, spire, radio tower, I think its all ridiculous to use that to determine the tallest building.
My humble opinion is buildings are made for people. How High I could go in a building would be my definition tallest.
Which building would support a ordinary human safely at the highest height possible would get my vote.
Who cares how high a needle can go, I want to get high lol
How high can I go in each of these buildings?
My humble opinion is buildings are made for people. How High I could go in a building would be my definition tallest.
Which building would support a ordinary human safely at the highest height possible would get my vote.
Who cares how high a needle can go, I want to get high lol
How high can I go in each of these buildings?
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November 9th, 2013 at 8:41:53 AM
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Spires doen't count in my opinion. It's conceivable to put a 1,000 foot spire on an 800 ft. building......hence tallest building if spires are counted.....whatever
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November 9th, 2013 at 8:43:05 AM
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November 9th, 2013 at 8:44:21 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesHere's another factor. Which one is higher based on sea level?
or closest to sun
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November 9th, 2013 at 8:47:36 AM
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Unless there's an occupied office at the top of the radio tower, the radio tower doesn't count.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
November 9th, 2013 at 8:47:52 AM
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November 9th, 2013 at 8:49:47 AM
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November 9th, 2013 at 8:51:17 AM
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I'll slightly modify this to include observation decks that are accessible to the public.Quote: s2dbakerUnless there's an occupied office at the top of the radio tower, the radio tower doesn't count.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
November 9th, 2013 at 8:55:52 AM
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Quote: s2dbakerUnless there's an occupied office at the top of the radio tower, the radio tower doesn't count.
What if somebody constructed a 2,000 foot cell phone tower with a room the size of a jail cell at the top?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2013 at 9:06:30 AM
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Quote: WizardWhat if somebody constructed a 2,000 foot cell phone tower with a room the size of a jail cell at the top?
Reminds me of the building in the Tom Cruise movie Oblivion . Real tall tower with a work station/home at the top. Really neat looking.
As long as there is an elevator, it counts in my book.
By the way, I haven't voted yet, anyone know how high I can go in either building up for vote?
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November 9th, 2013 at 9:43:31 AM
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I voted WTC just to be contrary.
A falling knife has no handle.
November 9th, 2013 at 11:15:11 AM
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Quote: WizardWhat if somebody constructed a 2,000 foot cell phone tower with a room the size of a jail cell at the top?
Here's a link to the picture of the House/work station in the movie Oblivion. Its fiction of course, A huge pole structure into the clouds with a home at the top
http://www.pixomondo.com/wp/?p=6296
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November 9th, 2013 at 11:21:56 AM
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Quote: WizardWhat if somebody constructed a 2,000 foot cell phone tower with a room the size of a jail cell at the top?
The CN Tower is almost there.
I believe it should be decided by height of highest occupied floor. But I am a bigot.
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November 9th, 2013 at 11:37:50 AM
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I don't think superstructures that are not part of usable occupancy should count. So, I voted for the Willis Tower. But I am also a bigot; it was a hard choice.
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November 9th, 2013 at 12:44:19 PM
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What if they tether the Goodyear Blimp to the spire ? Would fulfill human occupancy and be the winner !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 9th, 2013 at 12:46:19 PM
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Now you admit your bigotry. But there is no appeal court for divorce.
Just remember "a GOOD man is HARD to find. And vice versa.
Just remember "a GOOD man is HARD to find. And vice versa.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 9th, 2013 at 12:53:00 PM
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Quote: BuzzardNow you admit your bigotry. But there is no appeal court for divorce.
Just remember "a GOOD man is HARD to find. And vice versa.
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If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 9th, 2013 at 2:04:30 PM
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Quote: BuzzardWhat if they tether the Goodyear Blimp to the spire ? Would fulfill human occupancy and be the winner !
I would consider that if there was a way to get from the ground floor to the blimp easily and safely for say someone in a wheelchair.
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November 9th, 2013 at 3:07:10 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsI don't think superstructures that are not part of usable occupancy should count. So, I voted for the Willis Tower. But I am also a bigot; it was a hard choice.
I agree 100%. Except the part about being a bigot ... I think.
So, by this definition, the Stratosphere would be only three stories. Maybe there should be a separate category for such Space Needle type observation towers and buildings that are occupied from top to bottom.
I'd be interested to hear Paco's take on this.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2013 at 4:25:22 PM
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I definitely think it should be "usable square footage for humans" that determine the top level.
I voted for the Willis Tower, but had there been an option to vote that I am the best Dice Controller in the World, I would have voted for that one.
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I voted for the Willis Tower, but had there been an option to vote that I am the best Dice Controller in the World, I would have voted for that one.
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November 9th, 2013 at 7:48:15 PM
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I think that if the needle/spire is part of the overall architecture it should count, If is just an antenna type thing on the top it should not count. Also, a radio tower with a room or a birds nest on the top would not count as a building at all.
November 9th, 2013 at 7:48:18 PM
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'Building' is defined by the Oxford dictionary as a structure with a roof and walls. It is likely that most communication towers don't have either a roof or walls. A spire is more likely to have a roof and walls if it is built similar to the building. I haven't looked closely at either of the buildings but it appears that the convention is right and the spire on the WTC should count.
Be careful when you follow the masses, the M is sometimes silent.
November 9th, 2013 at 8:26:10 PM
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It would have to be occupied at least 20% of the time either by an employee or CEO or even a bunch of tourists for a few years. Then if it was no longer useful to keep open, it could be closed and still keep its qualification of being part of the entire structure. An example of that would be the Statue of Liberty. Tourists used to be able to go up to the torch but now they can't. The torch still counts. Had the torch been designed just as a decorative piece, then the crown would be the top.Quote: WizardWhat if somebody constructed a 2,000 foot cell phone tower with a room the size of a jail cell at the top?
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
November 9th, 2013 at 8:54:25 PM
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Quote: kenarman'Building' is defined by the Oxford dictionary as a structure with a roof and walls. It is likely that most communication towers don't have either a roof or walls. A spire is more likely to have a roof and walls if it is built similar to the building. I haven't looked closely at either of the buildings but it appears that the convention is right and the spire on the WTC should count.
Why should it count? The spire doesn't look like it has a roof or walls to me.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 9th, 2013 at 9:58:30 PM
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Quote: WizardWhy should it count? The spire doesn't look like it has a roof or walls to me.
That's the first really good picture I've seen of the new WTC. Awesome, in the real sense of the word. Thanks.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 10th, 2013 at 1:35:59 AM
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wiz, if theres a broadcast antenna with a spire surrounding it, its still an uninhabitable structure, yet (the spire) part of the building. The WTC was designed in fact to weasel the claim. The spire is considered part of the design elements of the building, and will be the tallest US building. Free-standing structure is a whole new ballgame.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
November 10th, 2013 at 4:50:30 AM
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Related observation: I agree with Banksy, although not as vociferously. The World Trade Center, though far better looking than the two towers it replaced, is still a rather blah and unimaginative design. I wish that they had picked something more creative.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
November 10th, 2013 at 5:58:01 AM
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Quote: 98Clubswiz, if theres a broadcast antenna with a spire surrounding it, its still an uninhabitable structure, yet (the spire) part of the building. The WTC was designed in fact to weasel the claim. The spire is considered part of the design elements of the building, and will be the tallest US building. Free-standing structure is a whole new ballgame.
If the WTC gets away with this trick, I hope the Wills Tower will increase the size of its radio tower and dangle some Christmas lights from it to call it a spire.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 10th, 2013 at 7:20:43 AM
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Quote: WizardWhy should it count? The spire doesn't look like it has a roof or walls to me.
I think if you look at the main building as an arm, the round top as a closed fist, then the spire would be a raised middle finger. And within that sentiment, that's a complete building to the tip of the spire.
Otherwise, no.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 10th, 2013 at 8:45:52 AM
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Quote: s2dbakerRelated observation: I agree with Banksy, although not as vociferously. The World Trade Center, though far better looking than the two towers it replaced, is still a rather blah and unimaginative design. I wish that they had picked something more creative.
I think the WTC is pretty cool looking, its the buildings around the WTC that look blah.
Just curious, could you post a picture or link to a picture of a building or design that you think would be better suited for the WTC.
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November 12th, 2013 at 12:32:33 PM
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It is official now.
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November 12th, 2013 at 12:41:49 PM
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That is not a picture.Quote: beachbumbabsThat's the first really good picture I've seen of the new WTC. Awesome, in the real sense of the word. Thanks.
I have a picture because I work down here near Fulton Street. I'll post it when I get it out of this phone.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
November 12th, 2013 at 12:44:43 PM
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Quote: s2dbakerThat is not a picture.
I have a picture because I work down here near Fulton Street. I'll post it when I get it out of this phone.
Well, Those Who Hath the Power to Maketh Things Official have officially decreed that the new World Trade Center is now the tallest building in America, according to the news.
Another discussion overcome by events.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 12th, 2013 at 12:47:19 PM
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The Egg in London is really neat. I wouldn't accept a copy of that because it's been done but something unique and imaginative. One of the other proposals for the WTC was a building that had a statue of liberty shape but it was functional as a building. I won't have links until I get home.Quote: terapinedI think the WTC is pretty cool looking, its the buildings around the WTC that look blah.
Just curious, could you post a picture or link to a picture of a building or design that you think would be better suited for the WTC.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
