WoV Golden Balls Challenge
Quote: DJTeddyBear
Yeah, there are a lot of shady characters in the DJ industry. As I mention in sales meetings, most of them don't use contracts and insist on being paid in full weeks before the event. Many will send substitutes. Some will cancel at last minute or simply be a no-show (good luck getting a refund!). Few offer guarantees. If you're interested, check out my Admin note: removed link to www.djteddybear.com/contract.pdfcontract pdf. I specifically address payment is due at the end of the event (paragraph 2), I offer free overtime (paragraph 4), discount if I need to send substitute entertainer (paragraph 11), cancellation policy (paragraphs 11 & 12), and satisfaction guarantee (paragraph 16).
I know all about substitute DJ's, because that's what I was. I was also the guy who set up the equipment earlier in the day at each of the venues, except the Owner/Head DJ would usually help me out with the heavy lifting part...because he didn't trust me to drive his truck.
It would usually go well, though. I'd grab the microphone at the beginning of the show and say, "My name is DJ (first name) with (name of company) and, unfortunately, your regularly scheduled DJ could not be here tonight. He has the flu, and by, 'flu,' I mean, 'higher paying gig.' The good news is that this gig will now cost (name of venue) 25% less, but the bad news is that (name of Owner/Head DJ) will still get 25% of that as a, 'finder's fee,' and I only get the remainder, so make sure to tip me well. In order to encourage you tipping me well, this show, originally scheduled from 8:00p.m.-Midnight has been changed to 8:00p.m. to whenever everyone decides to get the Hell out of here, or when the cops force me to stop, whichever comes first!"
Quote:Regarding my name. I've actually been using my real name in my business for the last few years, but, for whatever reason, I used DJTeddyBear when signing up here. I HAVE asked Mike about changing it. His answer was that there's no way other than to abandon the user name and create a new user name (i.e. Losing my top-poster status, etc). I decided not to do that not so much because of the status, but so that there'd be a connection between my old posts and new posts. For the same reason, I used DJTeddyBear at DT.
"Don't share with the Dave," doesn't work as well, that would have screwed up my whole tirade.
Quote: mwalz9I hope they lose. I gave them my word, put my trust in them, and they screwed me. I hope they get screwed too.
You mean the same way you screwed Vendman1?
Quote: paisielloYou mean the same way you screwed Vendman1?
Not actually. Vendman1 and I had 0 contact before our round. I actually talked to my round 2 opponent TWICE! They blatantly lied to me. I gave my word. I guess a man's wprd isn't worth what it used to be, especially on a gambling forum, eh?
Also, since I'm eliminated, now would be a good time to mention I am an F&I manager at a car dealership and still kept my word! How about that for stereotyping?
Quote: mwalz9now would be a good time to mention I am an F&I manager at a car dealership and still kept my word! How about that for stereotyping?
Of course, you'd SAY you keep your word whether you did so or not;-)
Quote: RaleighCrapsThis is true. There should be a defense against someone who is intent on Steal. Call the Feds! A third option, called Fed.
Player 1 vs Player 2 Result Steal Steal Both Lose Steal Split Plyr 1 wins All Steal Fed Plyr 2 wins All Split Steal Plyr 2 wins All Split Split Plyrs share win Split Fed Plyr 1 wins All Fed Steal Plyr 1 wins All Fed Split Plyr 2 wins All Fed Fed Both Lose
Hey Wiz,
Would you consider adding the Fed option?
I'd like to win money just like the next guy, but I don't want to sell my soul by lying about it, even if it is part of the game.
With the Fed option, I can still play to Share with my Foe, but if I get the feeling they are going to hose me, then I can play the Fed. IF I was wrong about them, then they still win the round, and I am toast. But if I did correctly sense they were not trustworthy, then I am rewarded, and they lose for being a damn liar.
It is still not a rock, paper, scissors contest because ultimately it is about reading your opponent.
Consider the options if the Fed were available in the current game. Each team captain would have a much harder choice to make, with the chance you might possibly just hand the WHOLE thing to your Foe (you are convinced they are going to steal, so you vote Fed, and they play Split, ending up with the whole thing)
Quote: RaleighCrapsWould you consider adding the Fed option?
That is an interesting rule twist. However, I'd like to play at least a few rounds based on the conventional rules first.
Another possibility addition down the road is the choice of "I play what you play." On The Apprentice once somebody pulled such a trick. However, I'm not sure what should happen if both players play that. Probably split a smaller amount.
analysis of the PM's back and forth for people
who said something to the effect of "I give you
my word" and then didn't, choosing to do the
opposite.
Of course only an ADMIN could do that,
right ?
And that would all be just for ~ $ 6 in expected
value at the start, but I guess the potential
is for $ 200. If someone really needs the $ 6,
then they were welcome to mine all along.
Wiz: Are you taking a Sociology class at the
local community college ? When is your
term paper due ?
Quote: JohnnyQOf course only an ADMIN could do that, right ?
I get accused of spying on PM's from time to time, but you'll have to take me at my word that I don't have any way to do that, nor even the desire.
Quote:Wiz: Are you taking a Sociology class at the local community college ? When is your term paper due ?
I'm taking the sociology of pathological liars. I take it only to flirt with the pretty college girls. My paper is due Nov 29. Anybody want to write it for me?
It is not an indictment on mwalz9's character, merely a play in a game where the object is to win, no matter how many people win with you.
That being said, my vote for the charity would be the Vegas chapter of the Three Square Food Bank. They do great work in the valley.
Quote: JohnnyQMethinks the interesting part would be to do an
analysis of the PM's back and forth for people
who said something to the effect of "I give you
my word" and then didn't, choosing to do the
opposite.
Of course only an ADMIN could do that,
right ?
Swing and a miss, strike one, I'm afraid. Barring someone forwarding me a PM, I have no access to PM's other than my own.
Quote: avargovThat being said, my vote for the charity would be the Vegas chapter of the Three Square Food Bank. They do great work in the valley.
I like the idea of keeping the charity money in
Las Vegas. But I think it is highly UNlikely that
with this cast of characters that there will be
an agreement to give it away to a charity.
Just sayin'.
Quote: Wizard
I'm taking the sociology of pathological liars. I take it only to flirt with the pretty college girls. My paper is due Nov 29. Anybody want to write it for me?
In College, I worked for $15/page and Works Cited came free.
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Quote: WizardQuote: JohnnyQWiz: Are you taking a Sociology class at the local community college ? When is your term paper due ?
I'm taking the sociology of pathological liars. I take it only to flirt with the pretty college girls. My paper is due Nov 29. Anybody want to write it for me?
At first I was amazed that a forum member could predict such a thing. Then I thought just a little bit harder...
Quote: JohnnyQI like the idea of keeping the charity money in
Las Vegas. But I think it is highly UNlikely that
with this cast of characters that there will be
an agreement to give it away to a charity.
Just sayin'.
Perhaps, but if I happen to win a portion, I will have Mike donate it to Three Square. I also hope he looks into the charity for future giving. I know a couple of casino executives that are on the board. They do awesome work, and receive a monthly donation of time and money from my family.
Quote: JohnnyQBut I think it is highly UNlikely that
with this cast of characters that there will be
an agreement to give it away to a charity.
There doesn't need to be agreement. I will ask each winner how he wishes to be paid his share, with charity as an option.
Quote: WizardThere doesn't need to be agreement. I will ask each winner how he wishes to be paid his share, with charity as an option.
Charity for me, but we're going to make it count...Hard 4.
Quote: avargovPerhaps, but if I happen to win a portion, I will have Mike donate it to Three Square. I also hope he looks into the charity for future giving. I know a couple of casino executives that are on the board. They do awesome work, and receive a monthly donation of time and money from my family.
I don't know much about Three Square, but will look into them. I am wary of the Red Cross as a charity. Their CEO makes more than $500k annually, and they spend 14% of every dollar raised on advertising.
When I give money, it is given directly (to individuals), or not at all. Besides, it always
feels better to give to a real person, instead of some organization.
Quote: mwalz9Not actually. Vendman1 and I had 0 contact before our round. I actually talked to my round 2 opponent TWICE! They blatantly lied to me. I gave my word. I guess a man's wprd isn't worth what it used to be, especially on a gambling forum, eh?
Contact or no contact, you still screwed Vendman1 who chose SPLIT with you. And, predictably, you subsequently reaped the consequences. What did you think someone would do with you in the next round? Trust you? They would be foolish to do so.
Quote: bigfoot66Charities and the public sector are both notoriously inefficent, and both spend a lot of their resources telling us how wonderful they are, and what magnificent contributors to the human cause they are.
Unfortunately true, and compounded by the contracted
telemarketing companies.
"But an investigative report in the October issue of Bloomberg
Markets magazine found that, in many cases, most of the money
raised by InfoCision never makes it to the nonprofits the company
says it's supporting".
The Rest of the Article
So what should you do ?
Start by telling any charity telemarketer to go pound sand ?
Quote: JohnnyQ
So what should you do ?
Start by telling any charity telemarketer to go pound sand ?
That's a great start. We are trained from a young age to think of businessmen as grubby profit seekers, a sort of necessary evil. They are trying to wring every last penny out of their employees and their customers. The state, though, is free from the burden of profit and can instead base its decisions on pricinpals such as justice, equality, etc. Charities do one better still, they exist to make the world better at their own expense!
The truth, of course, is that we are all cut from the same cloth, and we all want more rather than less, and we all also want to live in a world of fairness and equality, at least to some degree. My eyes were really opened when I was in college and taking a course on international human aid. We had a guest speaker who had worked run some department for USAID, the federal government's arm for helping poor people, especially in Africa. The first few sentences of his speech he was discussing his accomplishments and he seemed most proud of the fact that his department budget had trippled in size during his tenure. I left in the middle of his speech. Some people are interested in making their own lives great materially, and these people persue business. The nonprofit and public sectors are where people who prefer power to money flourish.
Quote: AyecarumbaTheir CEO makes more than $500k annually, and they spend 14% of every dollar raised on advertising.
Isn't that rather low compared to most charities?
Quote: AyecarumbaI don't know much about Three Square, but will look into them. I am wary of the Red Cross as a charity. Their CEO makes more than $500k annually, and they spend 14% of every dollar raised on advertising.
$500k is nothing for running an organization of that size. How did they manage to get somebody competent? (Did they manage to get somebody competent? Or is somebody taking such a low amount because it's for a charity, and they have already made their money?)
14% seems like a reasonable amount to spend on advertising. Actually, it sounds kind of low, but I'd assume that they get a lot of advertising that's either free, or at very favorable rates, so they don't need to spend as much.
oh, btw, don't pounce, everybody has to make a profit, the term "non-profit" is a joke at our expense. The real term should be "non-taxed" perhaps.
I was saying, in some cases the charities have trouble making a profit and a very small token goes to the people in need.
A few years ago I tried to investigate the reputations of various charities online done by some independent entity. What I found was that the big outfits basically wouldn't cooperate and divulge what you would like to know. I think this is because people want to think most of their donations go right to work, 80% of it or whatever, whereas in reality the real figure is much lower, perhaps even one digit.
I haven't tried to do this lately.
PS: if this goes on I think it should be a separate thread.
He was a pastry chef who dreamed of freedom for his people.
If you don't have a city named after you
Please recognize that he does.
Share.? My last breath will be shared but in a bet...
There is a fool and a thief
Quote: CrystalMathI have decided that any winnings of mine will go to the charity of the Wizard's choice.
I am finding it quite humorous that most of the Round 2 decisions were sent in quite early, and yet the Wizard has not indicated that any Round 3 choice has been submitted up to now. It's a binary decision folks. Yes or No. Heads or Tails. LOL
In all honesty, I found naming my three girls to be WAY easier than this damn game. Not for me of course, as I already knew what I was going to do. But trying to decide if our team's foes are honorable..........
This could make WoVConn ]I[ an interesting meet up. :-D
Quote: RaleighCrapsI am finding it quite humorous that most of the Round 2 decisions were sent in quite early, and yet the Wizard has not indicated that any Round 3 choice has been submitted up to now. It's a binary decision folks. Yes or No. Heads or Tails. LOL
In all honesty, I found naming my three girls to be WAY easier than this damn game. Not for me of course, as I already knew what I was going to do. But trying to decide if our team's foes are honorable..........
This could make WoVConn ]I[ an interesting meet up. :-D
Hummmm I wonder what would happen if the whole game was played flipping coins?
Quote: mipletHummmm I wonder what would happen if the whole game was played flipping coins?
Somebody else brough up randomizing the decision. However, on the actual show the host directs the players to open the balls before negotiations. So I don't think randomizing is allowed on the show, nor in my version of it.
By the way, one round 3 choice has been tendered so far.
Quote: RaleighCrapsI am finding it quite humorous that most of the Round 2 decisions were sent in quite early, and yet the Wizard has not indicated that any Round 3 choice has been submitted up to now. It's a binary decision folks. Yes or No. Heads or Tails. LOL
In all honesty, I found naming my three girls to be WAY easier than this damn game. Not for me of course, as I already knew what I was going to do. But trying to decide if our team's foes are honorable..........
So are you saying you have put in your choice?
Quote: WizardI'm taking the sociology of pathological liars. I take it only to flirt with the pretty college girls. My paper is due Nov 29. Anybody want to write it for me?Quote:Wiz: Are you taking a Sociology class at the local community college ? When is your term paper due ?
Actually, I was thinking the same thing, but in a Chuck Barris sort of way.
But can you really study pathological liars in a game designed to encourage lying?
C'mon other people, get your choices in, so we can see who goes to the final round...
Quote: TIMSPEEDMy 3rd round choice is in...
C'mon other people, get your choices in, so we can see who goes to the final round...
Our vote has been submitted as well
Quote: TIMSPEEDMy 3rd round choice is in...
C'mon other people, get your choices in, so we can see who goes to the final round...
What's the hurry? It won't be you!
| Team 1 | Choice | Team 2 | Choice |
|---|---|---|---|
| RaleighCraps + darnits + miplet +Ayecarumba | Split | CrystalMath + avargov | Split |
| FinsRule + Mission146 + thecesspit + WongBo | Steal | TIMSPEED | Split |
Team 1
| Member | Weight | Share | WongBo | 1 | 0.25 | FinsRule | 1 | 0.25 | Mission146 | 1 | 0.25 | thecesspit | 1 | 0.25 | Total | 4 | 1 |
|---|
Team 2
| Member | Weight | Share | miplet | 1 | 0.125 | RaleighCraps | 1 | 0.125 | darnits | 1 | 0.125 | Ayecarumba | 1 | 0.125 | CrystalMath | 2 | 0.25 | avargov | 2 | 0.25 | Total | 8 | 1 |
|---|
Should be interesting, as neither team has been untainted by stealing. Team 1 just stole against TIMSPEED. The team of avargov + CrystalMath stole in round 2, although against a stealer from round 1. Then again, team 2 does have four members who have never been part of a stealing team, including their captain.
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As you can see, TIMSPEED has chosen to be absolved of his earlier sins by sharing. He obviously knew that we had to steal, (given his earlier decisions to steal) so he decided to advance us knowing he was gone anyway. We had no reason to suspect that TIMSPEED would commit this surprisingly honorable decision, so we stole.
We would have liked to share with TIMSPEED, obviously, but we had no reason to believe that he was going to share.
You will notice that all of the Members of my team have shared whenever possible and have consistently honored our word. I told FinsRule (via PM) that we were going to share in Round 1 and we shared. Both myself and FinsRule announced to our opponents (via PM and in-thread) that we were going to share in Round 2, and we shared. Our four-man team announced (through me) that we were going to steal from TimSpeed (Don't share with the bear Rule) and that's what we did.
As you can see, had TimSpeed stolen, as anticipated, you would have won the game.
In any event, I feel as though I can announce it is the intention of our team to share in this final round as we have no reason not to trust our opponents to do the same.
Besides, won't it be fun to prove The Wiz wrong by both teams mutually sharing?
Quote:In mixed-weighted teams, the leader will be chosen among those with the greatest share.
So does this mean CrystalMath or avargov is our team captain?
Quote: WizardHere are the results of round 3!
Team 1 Choice Team 2 Choice RaleighCraps + darnits + miplet +Ayecarumba Split CrystalMath + avargov Split FinsRule + Mission146 + thecesspit + WongBo Steal TIMSPEED Split
I would like to publicly thank CrystalMath and avargov for being honorable men of their word.
And now I would like to thank the Wiz, FOR NOT DRAWING ME AS CAPTAIN! for the final round.
Go Team Miplet!
Just saw Miplet's post above mine, and that is correct, I remember the Wiz stating that the team captain will be drawn from the greater share members.
Personally, I would rather that someone new gets to be captain.
Kinda makes me think of Riviera's Cash Frenzy Promotion that was discussed recently.
Quote: Mission146Greetings to my fellow teammates and, "Opponents."
As you can see, TIMSPEED has chosen to be absolved of his earlier sins by sharing. He obviously knew that we had to steal, (given his earlier decisions to steal) so he decided to advance us knowing he was gone anyway. We had no reason to suspect that TIMSPEED would commit this surprisingly honorable decision, so we stole.
We would have liked to share with TIMSPEED, obviously, but we had no reason to believe that he was going to share.
You will notice that all of the Members of my team have shared whenever possible and have consistently honored our word. I told FinsRule (via PM) that we were going to share in Round 1 and we shared. Both myself and FinsRule announced to our opponents (via PM and in-thread) that we were going to share in Round 2, and we shared. Our four-man team announced (through me) that we were going to steal from TimSpeed (Don't share with the bear Rule) and that's what we did.
As you can see, had TimSpeed stolen, as anticipated, you would have won the game.
In any event, I feel as though I can announce it is the intention of our team to share in this final round as we have no reason not to trust our opponents to do the same.
Besides, won't it be fun to prove The Wiz wrong by both teams mutually sharing?
As a non-captain this time, finally, I agree 100% with your assessment. I believe the Wiz was fairly certain he would not be paying out in this first iteration of the game. Now is the time for us to show that a common cause can unite mankind, and can cooperate, and not cut each other's throat.
For this reason, I implore everyone who is left in the game to follow the lead that has already been set by most of us, and consider donating your share to charity. With your mind now uncluttered by greed, it becomes a very simple vote to SHARE. And, if the Wizard does the donation to the charity of his choice, he will then reap the tax benefit, thus Wiz will also get something out of the $200 he graciously donated for this game.
Everyone wins! Sure, our foe could Steal, and then donate it all to charity, but what would be the point? What would you gain by cheating your 6 opponents out of the satisfaction of getting to the end? And, since 4 of us have never voted Steal, that would be a cruel slap in the face, with nothing on the line.
Let's show we can all put aside selfishness and greed and me, me, me.
Quote: DJTeddyBearThis is an interesting turn of events - where you have to question whether or not rules will be broken by the sponsor of the event.
Kinda makes me think of Riviera's Cash Frenzy Promotion that was discussed recently.
Good one DJ ! :-)
Quote: CrystalMathI suggest that the Wizard randomly chooses from a weighted pool.
Personally, I would rather that someone new gets to be captain.
I did forget about rule 13. However, Miplet has cast one vote only, in round one. I'd like to hear from Miplet about what he thinks is fair.
Quote: mipletSplit will be our vote.
Stealers always say they are going to split before the balls are opened. This would be the perfect con to steal at this point, after you built up so much trust.
The Wizards money is safe.
Quote: WizardI did forget about rule 13. However, Miplet has cast one vote only, in round one. I'd like to hear from Miplet about what he thinks is fair.
Rules are rules. We should play as written. UNLESS the order wasn't random, in which case there should be a random draw between miplet and CM.
Quote:Stealers always say they are going to split before the balls are opened. This would be the perfect con to steal at this point, after you built up so much trust.
Yeah, but splitters also say that as well. I vote for a split, though my vote is worth nothing. The only person who wins with a steal is the Wizard himself :)
