Etiquette of tipping dealers -- yet again
Do you want a high school drop out preparing your food or changing the oil in your car?
I've known plenty. Some are fantastic at making burritos, and terrible at getting up before noon.
Quote: AlanMendelsonA question for the forum:
Do you want a high school drop out preparing your food or changing the oil in your car?
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Yes, if the alternative is that they are not working and living off the government money From my 30 years in Las Vegas it seems that they gravitate to the casino service industry. I actually fault Vegas for offering too many decent paying jobs that allow young people to drop out of school and still make a decent living.
One of the reasons the education system in Las Vegas gets such a bad rap is because people can drop out of high school and easily get a decent job. it looks bad on the system when so many kids drop out.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: Zcore13Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: Ace2IMO a dealer’s job is much more difficult than a cocktail server’s. Especially a craps dealer that tracks various bet types made by various people. I tip both but I believe the dealer earns it much more than the server does. I’ve never tipped a cashier
Out of curiosity, anybody know how much an average LV Strip craps dealer makes per hour in hourly wage and how much in tips? Are they exempt from certain wage laws/minimums as tipped employees?
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Online job sites list a range of pay for casino dealers, based on location and experience etc, Casinos MAY employ a tip credit to wages to dealers, if they follow certain legal procedures and follow the law. Some casinos didn't, which is why they got sued and either lost or settled.
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Almost every full time Dealer where I works makes more than the Supervisors. And the Supervisors are not low paid.
ZCore13
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Where do you work? And is your dealer's pay including tips on average the standard expected pay for all dealers in all casinos in your market area, or is in the higher percentile for casino dealers in your market area? How does your dealer's take home pay compare to the take home pay for other dealers in other casinos in your market area?
Gene
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My Casino is in Scottsdale. Supervisors start at $27;plus a small amount from dealer tips. Full time dealers make $80,000 minimum if they don't work their full 40 hours. Most make $100,000. That's probably tops in the State for both, but multiple other casinos are simila but a little less.
ZCore13
Quote: TigerWuForget teenagers for a moment....
70% of all fast food workers in the US are adults over the age of 20. (Source)
The average fast food worker salary is $11.95 an hour. (Source)
That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
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Who is going to eat fast food if the prices get raised to support the bottom worker making your definition or a living wage?
And maybe that’s a good thing since fast food is not good for the consumer either . . .
Quote: Zcore13Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: Zcore13Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: Ace2IMO a dealer’s job is much more difficult than a cocktail server’s. Especially a craps dealer that tracks various bet types made by various people. I tip both but I believe the dealer earns it much more than the server does. I’ve never tipped a cashier
Out of curiosity, anybody know how much an average LV Strip craps dealer makes per hour in hourly wage and how much in tips? Are they exempt from certain wage laws/minimums as tipped employees?
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Online job sites list a range of pay for casino dealers, based on location and experience etc, Casinos MAY employ a tip credit to wages to dealers, if they follow certain legal procedures and follow the law. Some casinos didn't, which is why they got sued and either lost or settled.
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Almost every full time Dealer where I works makes more than the Supervisors. And the Supervisors are not low paid.
ZCore13
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Where do you work? And is your dealer's pay including tips on average the standard expected pay for all dealers in all casinos in your market area, or is in the higher percentile for casino dealers in your market area? How does your dealer's take home pay compare to the take home pay for other dealers in other casinos in your market area?
Gene
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My Casino is in Scottsdale. Supervisors start at $27;plus a small amount from dealer tips. Full time dealers make $80,000 minimum if they don't work their full 40 hours. Most make $100,000. That's probably tops in the State for both, but multiple other casinos are simila but a little less.
ZCore13
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So 40 hour dealers make $50/hour, but suits make $30ish/hr?
How does your workplace justify under the law the supervisors getting a portion of tips?
Gene
Instead, try:Quote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
But don't tip at Starbucks either.
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Why would you not tip dealers if you tip other service workers?
Personally, I have a new policy on dealer tips. More likely than not, I’m gonna lose. Therefore, I’m gonna tip more than previously. After all, I’d rather the dealer get it than give it to the faceless casino corporation.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI’m late to this discussion but here’s my take. First, this initial post was worded badly:
Instead, try:Quote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
But don't tip at Starbucks either.
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Why would you not tip dealers if you tip other service workers?
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Good phrasing.
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DJTeddyBearI’m late to this discussion but here’s my take. First, this initial post was worded badly:
Instead, try:Quote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
But don't tip at Starbucks either.
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Why would you not tip dealers if you tip other service workers?
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Good phrasing.
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It is usual and customary for casino dealers to get tips, according to the law, and what the casino can pay them is reflected in that, vis a vis the tip credit. It is not usual and customary according to the law to tip the Starbucks dude or dudette, and certainly not at the same level as the casino dealer, Which is why Starbucks employers don't employ the tip credit and pay at least min wage.
A better analogy would be dealers and waitstaff.
Gene
Quote: AxelWolfYou FKed up and don't have a god given right to be making any more. Whatever the case, even if you didn't F up and bad things in life just happened, well thats life, life isn't fair. Why is it everyone else's job to make your life fair?Quote: TigerWu
What about the 32-year-old working fast food?
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FKed what up? What are you talking about? How is working in fast food "unfair?" Your post makes no sense.
Quote: AlanMendelsonA question for the forum:
Do you want a high school drop out preparing your food or changing the oil in your car?
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I knew a guy who was a high school dropout that was a chef at high end restaurants.
He was definitely an exception, though.
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Who is going to eat fast food if the prices get raised to support the bottom worker making your definition or a living wage?
And maybe that’s a good thing since fast food is not good for the consumer either . . .
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Plenty of people.... prices get raised all the time anyway, and that doesn't stop people from going.
And when prices get raised to support that ‘livable wage’, pretty soon it’s not so livable anymore.Quote: TigerWu.... prices get raised all the time anyway, and that doesn't stop people from going.
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It’s a vicious circle.
I don’t know the answer. Perhaps there isn’t one.
I am ruing the day I win a hand pay jackpot…. the thought of giving someone my money for inconveniencing me is just so wrong. I know I’ll tip but I’ll hate it….
Quote: DJTeddyBearAnd when prices get raised to support that ‘livable wage’, pretty soon it’s not so livable anymore.
It’s a vicious circle.
I don’t know the answer. Perhaps there isn’t one.
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Minimum wage isn't the only thing that needs to be fixed. But those discussions are outside the scope of this forum.
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The Treasury should be printing $1,000 notes instead.
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Then you will want $10,000 notes, and then $100,000 notes.
There was also a $100,000 bill at one point, but it was only used for large bank transactions and not for legal public use.
Quote: TigerWuThe US used to have $500, $1000, $5000, and $10,000 bills.
There was also a $100,000 bill at one point, but it was only used for large bank transactions and not for legal public use.
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Pretty sad that four $10,000 bills can not even buy a decent new car these days.
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Pretty sad that four $10,000 bills can not even buy a decent new car these days.
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Actually, $10,000 bills are incredibly rare, and are worth well more than their face value. A couple of years ago, one sold for $384,000. Even in rough shape they can be worth $50,000 or more.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: DRich
Pretty sad that four $10,000 bills can not even buy a decent new car these days.
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Actually, $10,000 bills are incredibly rare, and are worth well more than their face value. A couple of years ago, one sold for $384,000. Even in rough shape they can be worth $50,000 or more.
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Very good point but I bet most car dealers would not know that and wouldn't except them.
I always ask about $500 and $1000 bills at casino cages.
About ten years ago a cashier at Caesars told me he got a $500 bill and immediately "bought it" for himself.
If you don't want to tip play online or at an automated table in the casino. Same with tipping at a restaurant, if you don't want to tip, order carry out and pick it up. It's that simple.
Quote: GandlerNot tipping dealers is unacceptable, especially if winning. It's a position that relies on tips. It would be like eating at a restaurant, loving the experience and not tipping.
If you don't want to tip play online or at an automated table in the casino. Same with tipping at a restaurant, if you don't want to tip, order carry out and pick it up. It's that simple.
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On a personal level I agree with you, but on a practical level I don't. If someone doesn't want to tip that is their prerogative. Exactly the same as at a restaurant.
Quote: ChumpChangeI suppose casinos will shut down when they don't win enough to pay inflationary electric bills.
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More likely they'd go to dark themed casino. Little glowy lights just on the crap or dealer table. Of course, the capability exists to for cameras to see things in the dark.regardless of low lighting.
Lights?
The slot machines use more electric than the lights. And even that is only a small percentage of the total.
Add the A/C, refrigerators, elevators, etc. and you’re not putting much of a dent in the electric bill by dimming the lights.
On the HCL streams, Magic promptly announces every action. It's not just for the viewers. It's to help clarify the action for players who may be looking away or otherwise not paying attention. When a player has to ask "is it on me?", "was that a call?", or "how much was that?", it slows down the game.
Many dealers simply don't deserve tips but feel entitled to them anyway. In order for tipping to be an effective incentive to provide good service, bad service can't be rewarded!
As previous posts in this thread have shown, dealers tend to be over-tipped versus other casino employees, not under-tipped.
