Etiquette of tipping dealers -- yet again
October 7th, 2022 at 1:19:25 PM
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It's okay if you don't tip dealers.
But don't tip at Starbucks either.
But don't tip at Starbucks either.
October 7th, 2022 at 2:19:46 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
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It's not okay to not tip dealers in Vegas, especially if you're winning and the service was good.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 7th, 2022 at 2:21:09 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
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It's not okay to not tip dealers in Vegas, especially if you're winning and the service was good.
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Quote my entire post please.
October 7th, 2022 at 3:13:20 PM
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I might tip when I'm winning and the service is good. I don't necessarily think I 'should' though.
Dealers at high end casinos often end up making more money than their supervisors, not to mention all the staff behind the scenes who never get tipped. So some casinos have tried to force them to pool their tips and divide them up among other staff. When you tip, you may be literally giving your money to the house rather than the individual who provided good service. Wynn, Boyd, and MGM have all faced lawsuits over tip sharing policies.
If nobody tipped, then casinos would have to pay their employees more. That might mean more table games being replaced by machines, higher minimums/worse odds on table games, and an end to free drinks. As I said, I always tip cocktail waitresses.
Dealers at high end casinos often end up making more money than their supervisors, not to mention all the staff behind the scenes who never get tipped. So some casinos have tried to force them to pool their tips and divide them up among other staff. When you tip, you may be literally giving your money to the house rather than the individual who provided good service. Wynn, Boyd, and MGM have all faced lawsuits over tip sharing policies.
If nobody tipped, then casinos would have to pay their employees more. That might mean more table games being replaced by machines, higher minimums/worse odds on table games, and an end to free drinks. As I said, I always tip cocktail waitresses.
October 7th, 2022 at 3:34:23 PM
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IMO a dealer’s job is much more difficult than a cocktail server’s. Especially a craps dealer that tracks various bet types made by various people. I tip both but I believe the dealer earns it much more than the server does. I’ve never tipped a cashier
Out of curiosity, anybody know how much an average LV Strip craps dealer makes per hour in hourly wage and how much in tips? Are they exempt from certain wage laws/minimums as tipped employees?
Out of curiosity, anybody know how much an average LV Strip craps dealer makes per hour in hourly wage and how much in tips? Are they exempt from certain wage laws/minimums as tipped employees?
It’s all about making that GTA
October 7th, 2022 at 4:24:03 PM
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Quote: Ace2IMO a dealer’s job is much more difficult than a cocktail server’s. Especially a craps dealer that tracks various bet types made by various people. I tip both but I believe the dealer earns it much more than the server does. I’ve never tipped a cashier
Out of curiosity, anybody know how much an average LV Strip craps dealer makes per hour in hourly wage and how much in tips? Are they exempt from certain wage laws/minimums as tipped employees?
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Online job sites list a range of pay for casino dealers, based on location and experience etc, Casinos MAY employ a tip credit to wages to dealers, if they follow certain legal procedures and follow the law. Some casinos didn't, which is why they got sued and either lost or settled.
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
October 7th, 2022 at 4:51:12 PM
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Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Gene you probably don't know about the Wynn case... where the dealers made so much more than pit bosses that Wynn management took a percentage of dealer tips to add to the compensation of the pit critters, supervisors, boxmen, etc.
Lawsuits followed.
October 7th, 2022 at 4:54:46 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: GenoDRPh
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Gene you probably don't know about the Wynn case... where the dealers made so much more than pit bosses that Wynn management took a percentage of dealer tips to add to the compensation of the pit critters, supervisors, boxmen, etc.
Lawsuits followed.
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Enlighten us. Is it more likely than not dealers make more than pits or floors or was Wynn an outlier?
Gene
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October 7th, 2022 at 7:00:28 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: GenoDRPh
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Gene you probably don't know about the Wynn case... where the dealers made so much more than pit bosses that Wynn management took a percentage of dealer tips to add to the compensation of the pit critters, supervisors, boxmen, etc.
Lawsuits followed.
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Enlighten us. Is it more likely than not dealers make more than pits or floors or was Wynn an outlier?
Gene
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Enlightening you with a simple Google search:
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/employment-labor/1015325-wynn-resorts-agrees-to-5-6m-settlement-over-dealer-tip-sharing/#:~:text=Wynn%20Resorts%20has%20agreed%20to,table%20games%20dealers%20and%20supervisors.
It is not unusual for dealers at the major Strip casinos to earn $100k to $110k annually... more than suits earn.
Also from Google:
Maybe the casino isn't large enough to pay someone $70,000 per year, and because they cannot accept tips, the pit boss ends up making less than their dealers, who can earn both hourly and tips (tokes). Less money, but in exchange for more work–which would cause lots of people to reconsider their current position.Aug 13, 2017
October 7th, 2022 at 7:39:12 PM
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In a sense, dealers are also hoping to hit a jackpot. They're hoping a whale who stacks $1,000 chips shows up to the table in the mood to hand them out like singles. Dealing one good whale per week at the Wynn could make all the difference between earning six figures there and half that amount at a low-roller locals casino.
October 8th, 2022 at 7:27:20 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: GenoDRPh
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Gene you probably don't know about the Wynn case... where the dealers made so much more than pit bosses that Wynn management took a percentage of dealer tips to add to the compensation of the pit critters, supervisors, boxmen, etc.
Lawsuits followed.
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Enlighten us. Is it more likely than not dealers make more than pits or floors or was Wynn an outlier?
Gene
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Enlightening you with a simple Google search:
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/employment-labor/1015325-wynn-resorts-agrees-to-5-6m-settlement-over-dealer-tip-sharing/#:~:text=Wynn%20Resorts%20has%20agreed%20to,table%20games%20dealers%20and%20supervisors.
It is not unusual for dealers at the major Strip casinos to earn $100k to $110k annually... more than suits earn.
Also from Google:
Maybe the casino isn't large enough to pay someone $70,000 per year, and because they cannot accept tips, the pit boss ends up making less than their dealers, who can earn both hourly and tips (tokes). Less money, but in exchange for more work–which would cause lots of people to reconsider their current position.Aug 13, 2017
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So at the Wynn, some dealers made more than the suits. Is that the expected standard, or was the Wynn and outlier? At how may other casinos do the dealers make more than the suits.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 90% of casino dealers make $22.98 an hour. That is a far cry from the $50 or $60 per hour. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes393011.htm
Also from another site: https://www.gambleonline.co/blog/how-much-do-casino-dealers-make/
"Now if we start looking at the higher end of things, we said that some dealers make about $60,000 on the books and can also take home about $50 an hour in tips too. That means that if you play your cards right – pardon the pun – you could be reeling in a healthy $164,000 a year (roughly speaking)." Note the use of the words "some" and "could". These are hedge words used to denote, well, outliers.
From another site: https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/question/casino-dealer-income/#:~:text=The%20dealers%20at%20the%20average,dealers%20get%20their%20tip%20money.
"Where it gets complicated is the range. I’ve seen dealers make as low as $30,000 a year or even less. But the lucky ones make $90,000, and even up to $120,000 a year." Again, it's the lucky ones who crack six figures, not the average, or even a high average, or even occurs often enough to be considered "not unusual".
Gene
October 8th, 2022 at 9:22:17 AM
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Tipping should always come down to the service and the customer's opinion of said service. It should NOT depend on how much money the customer has at the end of their night. Other sites & podcasts have discussed winning a VP Jackpot of $2000 and then tipping the dealer an amount of $20-$30, only to be met with a look of disgust and hearing the slot technician loudly complain to nearby co-workers "Can you believe that guy only tipped $XX!?!?!"
There's also the infamous 7 figure table game progressive winner who tipped $200 and was also met with the ire of the dealer.
So it will always come down to the person, and in some instances the person on the other side receiving extra money for simply doing their job. Everyone has to compromise some where and most of the time it leaves one party short handed!
There's also the infamous 7 figure table game progressive winner who tipped $200 and was also met with the ire of the dealer.
So it will always come down to the person, and in some instances the person on the other side receiving extra money for simply doing their job. Everyone has to compromise some where and most of the time it leaves one party short handed!
October 8th, 2022 at 11:24:17 AM
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Quote: WizardQuote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
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It's not okay to not tip dealers in Vegas, especially if you're winning and the service was good.
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I would disagree with you on this. And why would dealers be different than other tipped service employees? I think it is okay to not tip at all. i do tip at a reasonable level but if some don't I am okay with it.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 11:36:24 AM
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I find it irritating whenever I'm prompted by a credit card reader to pre-tip upon paying for food or service not yet received. People say they tip to reward good service. But if they tip before they've even been served anything, then they have no way of knowing whether it's deserving of 15%, 20%, or 0%. They are just bending to perceived social pressure and trying to avoid appearing cheap.
I always hit 0% if prompted to pre-tip. If I feel like justifying myself to the cashier or the people in line behind me, then I'll just say that I will leave a tip in cash after I've had a chance to experience the service.
I always hit 0% if prompted to pre-tip. If I feel like justifying myself to the cashier or the people in line behind me, then I'll just say that I will leave a tip in cash after I've had a chance to experience the service.
October 8th, 2022 at 11:45:06 AM
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Quote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
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It's not okay to not tip dealers in Vegas, especially if you're winning and the service was good.
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I would disagree with you on this. And why would dealers be different than other tipped service employees? I think it is okay to not tip at all. i do tip at a reasonable level but if some don't I am okay with it.
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Hold on a second. The Wizard did not quote me correctly. He took only a portion out of my post to quote and my "quote" is not in context.
This is the second time I'm mentioning this.
For the record: I TIP.
Who broke this off from the previous thread?? Now I can't show the context of my post that was misquoted.
October 8th, 2022 at 11:54:22 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DRichQuote: WizardQuote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
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It's not okay to not tip dealers in Vegas, especially if you're winning and the service was good.
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I would disagree with you on this. And why would dealers be different than other tipped service employees? I think it is okay to not tip at all. i do tip at a reasonable level but if some don't I am okay with it.
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Hold on a second. The Wizard did not quote me correctly. He took only a portion out of my post to quote and my "quote" is not in context.
This is the second time I'm mentioning this.
For the record: I TIP.
Who broke this off from the previous thread?? Now I can't show the context of my post that was misquoted.
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My comment was directed to Wizard, not you. I think it s definitely okay for people not to tip.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 11:55:24 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonIt's okay if you don't tip dealers.
But don't tip at Starbucks either.
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I think I tipped the last time I went to Starbucks. (The coffee was not pleasing; I just wanted the cup for a photograph. hashtag bestlife)
This probably means I've tipped at Starbucks more recently than I've lost a hand of blackjack in a casino.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 8th, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM
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I've never tipped at a Starbucks or similar location.
When I briefly worked as a barista years ago, tips were never expected, no employees cared about tips, and virtually no customers ever tipped anyway. I don't know what employees attitudes about it are nowadays, but back then it just wasn't a thing.
When I briefly worked as a barista years ago, tips were never expected, no employees cared about tips, and virtually no customers ever tipped anyway. I don't know what employees attitudes about it are nowadays, but back then it just wasn't a thing.
October 8th, 2022 at 12:18:03 PM
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I would much rather tip the people working than "pay it forward" and buy the next carload of people their beverages.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 8th, 2022 at 12:30:53 PM
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Quote: TigerWuI've never tipped at a Starbucks or similar location.link to original post
I tip when I pick up a to go order (usually just $1 into the "tip jar," even for a $20 order) over the counter, although I don't tip at a drive-thru window.
October 8th, 2022 at 12:37:07 PM
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I routinely pay cash. I always say keep the coins.
This started with Covid.
Previously I didn't tip at places like Starbucks or McDonald's, etc.
What irritates me is when I'm asked "do you want the change?"
This happens more and more.
This started with Covid.
Previously I didn't tip at places like Starbucks or McDonald's, etc.
What irritates me is when I'm asked "do you want the change?"
This happens more and more.
October 8th, 2022 at 12:59:42 PM
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I place zero value on coins other than quarters. Handling small amounts of change or even thinking about it is a waste of time. I'll put change in a tip jar purely out of convenience.
Pennies have a net negative value to the economy overall. They're practically worthless now thanks to inflation. They waste time and energy and they cost more than 1 cent each to produce in the first place.
The Treasury should be printing $1,000 notes instead. $100 is a ridiculously small and unwieldy denomination for all the cash transactions done at a casino. But the government doesn't want us using cash for large expenditures.
Pennies have a net negative value to the economy overall. They're practically worthless now thanks to inflation. They waste time and energy and they cost more than 1 cent each to produce in the first place.
The Treasury should be printing $1,000 notes instead. $100 is a ridiculously small and unwieldy denomination for all the cash transactions done at a casino. But the government doesn't want us using cash for large expenditures.
October 8th, 2022 at 1:04:35 PM
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It's almost never okay to not tip those workers providing goods or services that customarily and regularly receive tips, especially if their employer pays them as such and takes the tip credit. Not tipping means you are-literally-not paying full price.
If you disagree with me, I can respect that, even though I disagree. But how many people who disagree with me have written their Congressman to get the tip wage eliminated, forcing employers to pay full min wage and allowing employees to keep all their tips?
Gene
If you disagree with me, I can respect that, even though I disagree. But how many people who disagree with me have written their Congressman to get the tip wage eliminated, forcing employers to pay full min wage and allowing employees to keep all their tips?
Gene
October 8th, 2022 at 1:05:41 PM
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Get a marker and keep excess money in large denomination chips. Problem solvedQuote: JackSpadeI
The Treasury should be printing $1,000 notes instead. $100 is a ridiculously small and unwieldy denomination for all the cash transactions done at a casino. But the government doesn't want us using cash for large expenditures.
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It’s all about making that GTA
October 8th, 2022 at 1:16:15 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhIt's almost never okay to not tip those workers providing goods or services that customarily and regularly receive tips, link to original post
Please specify what workers and what jobs/businesses.
October 8th, 2022 at 1:26:07 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhIt's almost never okay to not tip those workers providing goods or services that customarily and regularly receive tips, especially if their employer pays them as such and takes the tip credit. Not tipping means you are-literally-not paying full price.
If you disagree with me, I can respect that, even though I disagree. But how many people who disagree with me have written their Congressman to get the tip wage eliminated, forcing employers to pay full min wage and allowing employees to keep all their tips?
Gene
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I disagree, but I agree everyone should be paid the minimum wage.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 1:28:51 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: GenoDRPhIt's almost never okay to not tip those workers providing goods or services that customarily and regularly receive tips, link to original post
Please specify what workers and what jobs/businesses.
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https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-V/subchapter-A/part-531?toc=1
Some occupations are listed in the regulations. Others are case-by-case, depending on whether the occupation customarily and regularly receive tips. It's all right in the regulations.
As for me, I tip waitstaff, bellhops, cab/rideshare drivers, casino dealers and a few others AS EXPECTED, based on whether it is customary and regular to tip. I advise all to do the same.
Gene
October 8th, 2022 at 1:32:54 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: GenoDRPh
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Gene you probably don't know about the Wynn case... where the dealers made so much more than pit bosses that Wynn management took a percentage of dealer tips to add to the compensation of the pit critters, supervisors, boxmen, etc.
Lawsuits followed.
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Enlighten us. Is it more likely than not dealers make more than pits or floors or was Wynn an outlier?
Gene
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Enlightening you with a simple Google search:
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/employment-labor/1015325-wynn-resorts-agrees-to-5-6m-settlement-over-dealer-tip-sharing/#:~:text=Wynn%20Resorts%20has%20agreed%20to,table%20games%20dealers%20and%20supervisors.
It is not unusual for dealers at the major Strip casinos to earn $100k to $110k annually... more than suits earn.
Also from Google:
Maybe the casino isn't large enough to pay someone $70,000 per year, and because they cannot accept tips, the pit boss ends up making less than their dealers, who can earn both hourly and tips (tokes). Less money, but in exchange for more work–which would cause lots of people to reconsider their current position.Aug 13, 2017
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So what percentage of dealers make more than the suits? What's "not unusual"? 30%, 40%? 50%? 10%, as the BLS states?
Gene
October 8th, 2022 at 1:41:13 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPh
So what percentage of dealers make more than the suits? What's "not unusual"? 30%, 40%? 50%? 10%, as the BLS states?
Gene
I would guess a good percentage at the higher end resorts.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 2:31:09 PM
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Quote: DRichI disagree, but I agree everyone should be paid the minimum wage.
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Everyone should be paid a liveable wage, which in many places would be well above the minimum wage.
October 8th, 2022 at 2:41:18 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: DRichI disagree, but I agree everyone should be paid the minimum wage.
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Everyone should be paid a liveable wage, which in many places would be well above the minimum wage.
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I think that is absurd. The 16 year old kid working fast food does not need to be paid $50k a year. It is you word "Everyone" that I reject.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 2:49:29 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: TigerWuQuote: DRichI disagree, but I agree everyone should be paid the minimum wage.
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Everyone should be paid a liveable wage, which in many places would be well above the minimum wage.
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I think that is absurd. The 16 year old kid working fast food does not need to be paid $50k a year. It is you word "Everyone" that I reject.
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What about the 32-year-old working fast food?
October 8th, 2022 at 2:55:20 PM
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Demanding that people be paid a living wage is equivalent to demanding that their costs of living go down. What's driving costs of living up? Lots of things, but the primary source of the inflation that erodes the real purchasing power of wages is excess currency creation by the Federal Reserve, which is spurred by excess borrowing and spending by Congress.
October 8th, 2022 at 3:25:53 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: TigerWuQuote: DRichI disagree, but I agree everyone should be paid the minimum wage.
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Everyone should be paid a liveable wage, which in many places would be well above the minimum wage.
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I think that is absurd. The 16 year old kid working fast food does not need to be paid $50k a year. It is you word "Everyone" that I reject.
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Why not? Is the value of the work dependent upon the age of the worker?
UPDATE: MA allows employers to pay certain underage employees differently.
Gene
Gene
October 8th, 2022 at 3:34:25 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DRichQuote: TigerWuQuote: DRichI disagree, but I agree everyone should be paid the minimum wage.
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Everyone should be paid a liveable wage, which in many places would be well above the minimum wage.
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I think that is absurd. The 16 year old kid working fast food does not need to be paid $50k a year. It is you word "Everyone" that I reject.
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Why not? Is the value of the work dependent upon the age of the worker?
UPDATE: MA allows employers to pay certain underage employees differently.
Gene
Gene
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Age? No.
Experience? Maybe.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 8th, 2022 at 4:11:55 PM
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That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
How does one define a "livable wage"? Many people get roommates to share costs with and use public transportation. I am pretty sure those people are living.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 4:22:24 PM
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You FKed up and don't have a god given right to be making any more. Whatever the case, even if you didn't F up and bad things in life just happened, well thats life, life isn't fair. Why is it everyone else's job to make your life fair?Quote: TigerWuQuote: DRichQuote: TigerWuQuote: DRichI disagree, but I agree everyone should be paid the minimum wage.
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Everyone should be paid a liveable wage, which in many places would be well above the minimum wage.
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I think that is absurd. The 16 year old kid working fast food does not need to be paid $50k a year. It is you word "Everyone" that I reject.
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What about the 32-year-old working fast food?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 8th, 2022 at 4:37:48 PM
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NO, I won't forget teenagers. That's exactly who should be working at fast food joints. They should ban anyone over 21 from working at FF joints unless you're in management or something like that. Most or the people who are above 25 working at FF joints are just terrible employees miserable and rude. Go to places like IN AND OUT where it's mostly young people. Not once have I ever had a rude or bad experience there.Quote: TigerWuForget teenagers for a moment....
70% of all fast food workers in the US are adults over the age of 20. (Source)
The average fast food worker salary is $11.95 an hour. (Source)
That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
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When its comes to minimum wage jobs the Younger employees are vastly nicer and more respectful of people than the older crowd.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 8th, 2022 at 4:45:54 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: TigerWu
That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
How does one define a "livable wage"? Many people get roommates to share costs with and use public transportation. I am pretty sure those people are living.
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Economists are good at their job in figuring this stuff out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage
Gene
October 8th, 2022 at 4:50:01 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: Ace2IMO a dealer’s job is much more difficult than a cocktail server’s. Especially a craps dealer that tracks various bet types made by various people. I tip both but I believe the dealer earns it much more than the server does. I’ve never tipped a cashier
Out of curiosity, anybody know how much an average LV Strip craps dealer makes per hour in hourly wage and how much in tips? Are they exempt from certain wage laws/minimums as tipped employees?
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Online job sites list a range of pay for casino dealers, based on location and experience etc, Casinos MAY employ a tip credit to wages to dealers, if they follow certain legal procedures and follow the law. Some casinos didn't, which is why they got sued and either lost or settled.
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Almost every full time Dealer where I works makes more than the Supervisors. And the Supervisors are not low paid.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
October 8th, 2022 at 4:58:35 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DRichQuote: TigerWu
That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
How does one define a "livable wage"? Many people get roommates to share costs with and use public transportation. I am pretty sure those people are living.
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Economists are good at their job in figuring this stuff out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage
Gene
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They can define it but I don't know if they are good at it.
To me this quote is ridiculous "Living wage estimates vary considerably by area, and may be calculated in different ways. In a 2019 report, the U.S. advocacy group National Low Income Housing Coalition calculated the necessary full-time hourly wage to spend 30% of income on rental of a fair-market, 2-bedroom apartment."
Why in the world would each person need to be able to afford a two bedroom apartment? I think you could argue two people making a living wage should be able to afford a two bedroom apartment.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 5:09:47 PM
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Quote: Zcore13Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: Ace2IMO a dealer’s job is much more difficult than a cocktail server’s. Especially a craps dealer that tracks various bet types made by various people. I tip both but I believe the dealer earns it much more than the server does. I’ve never tipped a cashier
Out of curiosity, anybody know how much an average LV Strip craps dealer makes per hour in hourly wage and how much in tips? Are they exempt from certain wage laws/minimums as tipped employees?
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Online job sites list a range of pay for casino dealers, based on location and experience etc, Casinos MAY employ a tip credit to wages to dealers, if they follow certain legal procedures and follow the law. Some casinos didn't, which is why they got sued and either lost or settled.
Stories of casino dealers making more than pit bosses are either exaggerations, or at best outliers.
Gene
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Almost every full time Dealer where I works makes more than the Supervisors. And the Supervisors are not low paid.
ZCore13
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Where do you work? And is your dealer's pay including tips on average the standard expected pay for all dealers in all casinos in your market area, or is in the higher percentile for casino dealers in your market area? How does your dealer's take home pay compare to the take home pay for other dealers in other casinos in your market area?
Gene
October 8th, 2022 at 5:17:37 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfNO, I won't forget teenagers. That's exactly who should be working at fast food joints. They should ban anyone over 21 from working at FF joints unless you're in management or something like that. Most or the people who are above 25 working at FF joints are just terrible employees miserable and rude. Go to places like IN AND OUT where it's mostly young people. Not once have I ever had a rude or bad experience there.Quote: TigerWuForget teenagers for a moment....
70% of all fast food workers in the US are adults over the age of 20. (Source)
The average fast food worker salary is $11.95 an hour. (Source)
That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
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When its comes to minimum wage jobs the Younger employees are vastly nicer and more respectful of people than the older crowd.
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Good luck getting a drive through cheeseburger for lunch on a school day.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 8th, 2022 at 5:23:19 PM
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Quote: Dieter
Good luck getting a drive through cheeseburger for lunch on a school day.
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Fortunately there are a lot of High School dropouts.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 8th, 2022 at 5:44:14 PM
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Quote: DRich
To me this quote is ridiculous "Living wage estimates vary considerably by area, and may be calculated in different ways. In a 2019 report, the U.S. advocacy group National Low Income Housing Coalition calculated the necessary full-time hourly wage to spend 30% of income on rental of a fair-market, 2-bedroom apartment."
Why in the world would each person need to be able to afford a two bedroom apartment? I think you could argue two people making a living wage should be able to afford a two bedroom apartment.
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Presumably, if you need two incomes to be able to afford a two-bedroom apartment, then who's watching the child (after school and in the summer)?
"What child?" In that case, why do you need a two-bedroom apartment?
October 8th, 2022 at 5:47:39 PM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: DRich
To me this quote is ridiculous "Living wage estimates vary considerably by area, and may be calculated in different ways. In a 2019 report, the U.S. advocacy group National Low Income Housing Coalition calculated the necessary full-time hourly wage to spend 30% of income on rental of a fair-market, 2-bedroom apartment."
Why in the world would each person need to be able to afford a two bedroom apartment? I think you could argue two people making a living wage should be able to afford a two bedroom apartment.
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Presumably, if you need two incomes to be able to afford a two-bedroom apartment, then who's watching the child (after school and in the summer)?
"What child?" In that case, why do you need a two-bedroom apartment?
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I know back when I had a roommate in a 2 bedroom apartment (and 2 roommates in a 3 bedroom apartment), sharing a bedroom would have introduced an undesired element to our platonic cohabitation.
May the cards fall in your favor.
October 8th, 2022 at 6:12:38 PM
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I thik there are plenty of 18-21 year old kids who haven't been held back..Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfNO, I won't forget teenagers. That's exactly who should be working at fast food joints. They should ban anyone over 21 from working at FF joints unless you're in management or something like that. Most or the people who are above 25 working at FF joints are just terrible employees miserable and rude. Go to places like IN AND OUT where it's mostly young people. Not once have I ever had a rude or bad experience there.Quote: TigerWuForget teenagers for a moment....
70% of all fast food workers in the US are adults over the age of 20. (Source)
The average fast food worker salary is $11.95 an hour. (Source)
That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
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When its comes to minimum wage jobs the Younger employees are vastly nicer and more respectful of people than the older crowd.
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Good luck getting a drive through cheeseburger for lunch on a school day.
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There shouldn't be anyone working the drive though nowadays. Kiosks and a bill acceptor would be just fine or just use your phone app..
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 8th, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM
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Quote: AxelWolf
When its comes to minimum wage jobs the Younger employees are vastly nicer and more respectful of people than the older crowd.
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If we're going to generalize about the demographic characteristics of fast food workers and how they relate to a customer satisfaction, my experience is that age is less useful of an indicator than certain other observable demographic characteristics.
To the extent that age is meaningful, workplace skills don't peak at 16. Maybe cheerfulness peaks for some people at 16, but not competence. I would expect fewer problems with quality, accuracy, and speed at a place staffed by 25 year-olds than one staffed by 16 year-olds.
I would also expect better service from any Chick Fil-A employee regardless of age than from a Burger King employee.
October 8th, 2022 at 6:19:11 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI thik there are plenty of 18-21 year old kids who haven't been held back..Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfNO, I won't forget teenagers. That's exactly who should be working at fast food joints. They should ban anyone over 21 from working at FF joints unless you're in management or something like that. Most or the people who are above 25 working at FF joints are just terrible employees miserable and rude. Go to places like IN AND OUT where it's mostly young people. Not once have I ever had a rude or bad experience there.Quote: TigerWuForget teenagers for a moment....
70% of all fast food workers in the US are adults over the age of 20. (Source)
The average fast food worker salary is $11.95 an hour. (Source)
That's not a livable wage for many places in the US.
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When its comes to minimum wage jobs the Younger employees are vastly nicer and more respectful of people than the older crowd.
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Good luck getting a drive through cheeseburger for lunch on a school day.
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There shouldn't be anyone working the drive though nowadays. Kiosks and a bill acceptor would be just fine or just use your phone app..
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There must have been incredible advances in burger wrapping robots in the past week of which I am unaware.
May the cards fall in your favor.
