Who should be the new Moderator

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May 22nd, 2018 at 10:35:00 PM permalink

Quote: MrBo
It is disturbing that you say this with such pride. I think it highlights one of your shortcomings.

I guess it comes down to the question of what is this site? Is it a site about gambling, gambling information and helping people to gamble from a position of strength, or it is some sort of social club?

If it is the former, your goal should be to have as many players that have achieved some level of success participate on a regular basis. And that should include re-evaluating situations and trying to bring back some successful players. Especially those that really didn't have a history of trolling behavior and no longer participate, whether banned or having left on their own, for some sort of disagreement or personal issue.

Unfortunately, as someone who has lurked for a long-time, it appears the site has moved towards the later, nothing more than a social club, with a lot of games played, trolling, egos, ongoing jabs at one another, many based on political views. The high volume of suspensions and bannings seems to play right into that. It seems like the object is to insult one another, getting as close to the line as possible, without crossing it.

Can you point out a gambling site when added to WOV and WOO that's more successful?

People keep forgetting that the WOV forum is probably -EV for their business model. 85+% of the regulars here will tell you to stay away from online gambling period. Count me out, and then ask the top 10 contributors here if they would ever play online(you can even do a poll for everyone).

How would you like to have a coffee shop where most of the customers that came in all said, this place is great to sit down and use the internet, but don't ever drink the coffee because it's horrible and made of poison.

How many regulars and new members actully use a link here to sign up and play online? IMO WOV is like a Live Keno room in an LV casino. Sure it may make some money, but they could make way more if they added slots or somthing else, just like they would probably make more money here if they turned this forum into an LCB site.

I say, be happy the forum is what it is. It could be run like some forums such as TA.

Don't know what got till its gone.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:26:44 AM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf

I say, be happy the forum is what it is.

I somewhat agree and I don't fault the administrator or mods for this.

But my problem with the forum is that there are so many posters either stating or implying that they have systems or methods of winning that are in actuality completely bogus.

So, you feel if you don't respond and refute their BS then those with lack of knowledge will be influenced to actually believe all the crap they dish out.

And it just gets too tiring to respond to all of their BS.

And I feel guilty when I don't respond and shoot down the BS. But I just don't have the energy for it anymore.

Whatever.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:31:41 AM permalink

Quote: edwardjsmith
Depends on how many felonies you have. Which explains why Face took 2 years to complete the course

But Face is a deputy! Deputies don't have any Felonies! ;)

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:34:45 AM permalink

Quote: edwardjsmith
Depends on how many felonies you have. Which explains why Face took 2 years to complete the course

Pretty amazing that someone with 22 days of history would jab at someone such as face. Hmmm

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:37:27 AM permalink

Quote: GWAE
Pretty amazing that someone with 22 days of history would jab at someone such as face. Hmmm

Edward J Smith...... Seems like a nice guy....... Just don't ask him to captain your boat.....

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:38:51 AM permalink

Quote: GWAE
Pretty amazing that someone with 22 days of history would jab at someone such as face. Hmmm

I'll give Edward the benefit of the doubt. Lots of people admitted that they studied WOV anonymously since WOV is open to all viewers even unregistered viewers before they took the plunge and joined. They call themselves Lurkers. :)

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:56:48 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster

But my problem with the forum is that there are so many posters either stating or implying that they have systems or methods of winning that are in actuality completely bogus.

I think that's a completely different topic. Debunking betting systems is one of WOV's strong suits.

I have seen a few forums that are infested with guys touting bogus systems. It's mostly guys that couldn't handle the heat over here.

I am no mathematical guru, and it didn't take AP understand you can't turn negative EV games into positive EV games without somthing extra being given out. I have a hard time understanding why even some highly educated people can't grasp this simple concept.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:57:25 AM permalink

I'm not that informed of all the aspects to Mission's stepping down, but from what I know I wish he'd disregard the fact that he can't please everyone. He seems like a thoughtful and decent person--an asset as a moderator. I'd like to see him back.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 6:02:25 AM permalink

Quote: Greasyjohn
I'm not that informed of all the aspects to Mission's stepping down, but from what I know I wish he'd disregard the fact that he can't please everyone. He seems like a thoughtful and decent person--an asset as a moderator.

I won't speak for Mission, but I think, that he thought, everything he did going forward would be questioned or meet with criticism, especially from some of the guys who he liked and respected.

He hasn't even been posting for a while now )-;

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May 23rd, 2018 at 6:12:42 AM permalink

Quote: SOOPOO
Edward J Smith...... Seems like a nice guy....... Just don't ask him to captain your boat..... [
/q]Why?

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May 23rd, 2018 at 6:21:57 AM permalink

Edward J Smith was the captain of the Titanic which struck an iceberg in 1912 on its first and only voyage across the Atlantic and sunk into the Atlantic Ocean. Though recent news says that it is very possible is that a coal fire(I honestly thought the anchor called it a "Cold fire," and I thought it meant a low burning fire, and Google told me it was "coal fire,") was the real culprit and the Titanic staff knew that there was the damn coal fire burning in the brig and still let the Titanic sail knowing it shouldn't have sailed with the coal fire in the brig. They didn't even tell the passengers about the coal fire and let them obliviously board. :( A simple, "Hey, we have a coal fire in the brig of the Titanic!" Heads up to everyone would have been ideal. :/

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May 23rd, 2018 at 6:53:04 AM permalink

Quote: Nathan
Edward J Smith was the captain of the Titanic which struck an iceberg in 1912 on its first and only voyage across the Atlantic and sunk into the Atlantic Ocean.

OMG, Are you reading this ZK?

It's a F***** JOEY!

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May 23rd, 2018 at 7:09:24 AM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf
You turned down OnceDear and Nathan is #1 in the running.

That certainly makes me smile.

lol.I was joking Foxy. I never did volunteer. Makes me smile, too.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 7:22:44 AM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf
I think that's a completely different topic. Debunking betting systems is one of WOV's strong suits.

Didn't a member here get banned for doing just that?

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May 23rd, 2018 at 7:50:00 AM permalink

Quote: MrBo
Didn't a member here get banned for doing just that?

Nobody has ever been suspended or banned for debunking a system.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 7:51:08 AM permalink

Quote: MrBo
Didn't a member here get banned for doing just that?

Im pretty certain no member was ever banned for debunking a betting system

Its possible They were banned for using foul and insulting language as they vehemently debunked said betting system

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May 23rd, 2018 at 8:41:59 AM permalink

If we're going with write in's, I'd like to nominate ZK.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 8:46:24 AM permalink

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My personal favorites long gone were:..Mr V (oh wait, never mind)

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May 23rd, 2018 at 9:12:48 AM permalink

I was gonna use this one but it did not work for Hillary in 2008. Maybe EB can explain why not when he returns.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 9:21:05 AM permalink

Quote: MrBo
Didn't a member here get banned for doing just that?

Are you referring to KJgate and him trying to debunk outrageous BJ claims of certain counts that adding a significant per percentage to ones counting?

FYI. there's some suspicion going around about who really you are.

Yes, I know, there's a known MrBo handle on various BJ forums or whatever.

And for the record, I'm not claiming anything, it's mostly insignificant to me so don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling you there are many people who are suspicious.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 9:24:53 AM permalink

Quote: Romes
If we're going with write in's, I'd like to nominate ZK.

I think you would make just as good of a Moderator as Nathan. Great minds think alike.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 9:46:11 AM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf
I think you would make just as good of a Moderator as Nathan. Great minds think alike.

I see what you did there. Others in authority may not have.

Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 9:46:45 AM permalink

Quote: Zcore13
Damn it! Forgot one!

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May 23rd, 2018 at 10:34:53 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
But my problem with the forum is that there are so many posters either stating or implying that they have systems or methods of winning that are in actuality completely bogus.

I'd hate to spoil anyone's fun, but if someone collected links to all the previous discussions, and just post all of them as reference for the poster, and just shut down the thread. Not like there needs to be the 1000 threads going through all the same arguments.

I just assumed some people had fun going back and forth with some of these posters, else something like that would've already happened.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 11:35:57 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear
I see what you did there. Others in authority may not have.

Not entirely sure what you're suggesting is a problem. Are you impugning Romes?

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May 23rd, 2018 at 2:07:21 PM permalink

Quote: beachbumbabs
Not entirely sure what you're suggesting is a problem. Are you impugning Romes?

Nooooo. No problem. And no impugning from me.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 3:06:52 PM permalink

The peasants have spoken and the powers that be once more ignored them. Hooray Democracy.

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May 23rd, 2018 at 4:53:48 PM permalink

Quote: billryan
The peasants have spoken and the powers that be once more ignored them. Hooray Democracy.

Am I the Hillary Clinton of WOV now? ;) :/

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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May 23rd, 2018 at 4:55:13 PM permalink

Quote: Nathan
Am I the Hillary Clinton of WOV now? ;) :/

It depends on whether you run for Moderator again in 2020.......

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May 23rd, 2018 at 4:58:17 PM permalink

Quote: SOOPOO
It depends on whether you run for Moderator again in 2020.......

LMAO! :D

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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May 23rd, 2018 at 5:02:28 PM permalink

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May 24th, 2018 at 3:44:26 AM permalink

Quote: Nathan
I'll give Edward the benefit of the doubt. Lots of people admitted that they studied WOV anonymously since WOV is open to all viewers even unregistered viewers before they took the plunge and joined. They call themselves Lurkers. :)

I stand corrected as it was revealed by a Admin that Edward J Smith was in fact a sock of a banned poster. :/

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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May 24th, 2018 at 4:16:42 AM permalink

Why isn�t OnceDear in green? O.o

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May 24th, 2018 at 4:43:45 AM permalink

Quote: RS
Why isn�t OnceDear in green? O.o

Wizard said it would take a day or two to turn Once Dear green. :)

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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May 24th, 2018 at 6:03:34 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
The peasants have spoken and the powers that be once more ignored them. Hooray Democracy.

Hi Bill. I'll count myself as a peasant too. Yes, we spoke: We expressed preferences and opinions and there was some (tongue in cheek ) voting. But be in no doubt that this is no democracy. The entire website and this forum is a private property. We are All guests here. The owners and operators do listen intently and IMHO they are very generous hosts. If you've ever hosted a forum, you will know that sometimes you have to be a benign dictator. I'm as subject to the rules as you are and if you ever want to oust me, feel free to make your case. But surely better that we all clillax and make moderation unnecessary.

Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.

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May 24th, 2018 at 6:11:10 AM permalink

Quote: Nathan
Am I the Hillary Clinton of WOV now? ;) :/

Lucky, or good judgement that you posted that as a question and not a statement. If you are the Clinton, then that would make me trump. An implied insult is still an insult.

chuckle.

So. No, Nathan, I don't think you are the Clinton of WOV

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May 24th, 2018 at 6:35:20 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear
Lucky, or good judgement that you posted that as a question and not a statement. If you are the Clinton, then that would make me trump. An implied insult is still an insult.

chuckle.

So. No, Nathan, I don't think you are the Clinton of WOV

I wasn't implying that you are Trump. I was saying that I won the popular vote in the Moderator poll and lost like Hillary Clinton did. That's what I was getting at. ;)

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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May 24th, 2018 at 7:02:48 AM permalink

Quote: Nathan
I wasn't implying that you are Trump. I was saying that I won the popular vote in the Moderator poll and lost like Hillary Clinton did. That's what I was getting at. ;)

Of course.You won the popular vote. That was never in doubt. If you hadn't proved more popular than the other nominees in that list, you would have reason to feel bad.

Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.

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May 24th, 2018 at 7:23:08 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
The peasants have spoken and the powers that be once more ignored them. Hooray Democracy.

Democracy? This is an internet forum run by a friendly dictatorship.

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May 24th, 2018 at 7:28:19 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear
Of course.You won the popular vote. That was never in doubt. If you hadn't proved more popular than the other nominees in that list, you would have reason to feel bad.

You volunteered for this? You might as well stand outside a soccer
match with a sign on saying you will pay to get kicked between
the wickets.

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May 24th, 2018 at 7:44:54 AM permalink

Quote: rainman
You volunteered for this? You might as well stand outside a soccer
match with a sign on saying you will pay to get kicked between
the wickets.

I know. Glutton for punishment.
Remarkably I already had all the power of secret admin with none of the restrictions, scrutiny and few of the responsibilities. Now I have to behave so much better than before.

Ultimate sucker bet 😀

Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.

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