2016 Election -- Part II
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I am betting some will say that they hope the opposite happens should the other side win.
So true! I love it!
Loose cannon alert!
Trump is mad that Pence is getting better reviews than he did. And he's mad that Pence repeatedly refused to defend his stupid/crazy/insulting comments.
The Clinton campaign should work to drive a wedge between them. I'm sure they are already practicing debate lines for Sunday to emphasize that Pence could not or would not defend Trump during his debate. That will drive Trump crazy.
Quote: ams288Reports suggest Donald Trump is unhappy with Mike Pence for winning the VP debate
Loose cannon alert!
Trump is mad that Pence is getting better reviews than he did. And he's mad that Pence repeatedly refused to defend his stupid/crazy/insulting comments.
The Clinton campaign should work to drive a wedge between them. I'm sure they are already practicing debate lines for Sunday to emphasize that Pence could not or would not defend Trump during his debate. That will drive Trump crazy.
"Sources" say a lot of thing. Both ways. Funny thing is that we really have no idea if those sources even exist. Even if they do exist, a lot of times the high-level official turns out to be the guy cleaning the shitter who thought he heard someone say something.
Exactly the reactions I thought we would hear from the side losing the debate. Kind of like what happened when Trump did not do well in the last debate...
Quote: RonC"Sources" say a lot of thing. Both ways. Funny thing is that we really have no idea if those sources even exist. Even if they do exist, a lot of times the high-level official turns out to be the guy cleaning the shitter who thought he heard someone say something.
This election cycle, "sources" have been right about a lot of the behind the scenes shenanigans of the Trump campaign... I have no reason to start doubting them now. Especially from the established reporters quoted in the article.
To try to give the benefit of the doubt to Donald Trump at this point in the campaign is frankly ludicrous. He's proved over and over he is mentally unhinged.
Quote: BozI'm for Trump, but I'll survive and thrive if he loses because that's what successful people do.
Let me first say that I enjoy my politics like I enjoy my alcohol --- in great moderation!
But I thought the bolded part above was profound, and it made me wonder to what extent people are actually affected by whomever is President at the moment?
From my limited observations in life, it kind of seems like folks who have their act together remain successful regardless of the various political officeholders at the time.
And the opposite seems to hold true as well. Folks who appear to be having a tough time in life seem to frequently stay behind the 8-ball and unfortunately continue to struggle.
Of course who knows, maybe there are a ton of people that ARE affected and I'm just too naive or unobservant to see it. Wouldn't be the first time. ;)
Quote: ams288I think Pence's debate skills are better, but he keeps flat out lying. Pence keeps denying Trump said things that he has really said. This will be what the post-debate analysis focuses on. It's very easy to fact check.
Didn't need a crystal ball to see this coming:
I think him flat out lying about saying Putin is a great leader is the worst.
Quote: Mooseton☝ Big difference between saying someone is a "great leader" and "a stronger leader of their country". Starts with nonsense...
Perhaps if Trump and Pence stopped constantly fellating Putin, their supporters wouldn't have to try to defend them on a technicality.
Quote: RigondeauxAny decent Republican candidate would trounce Hillary. Any decent Democratic candidate would trounce Trump. One of many weird things about this election.
Weird, maybe. But I think a majority (enough to easily win) want someone they can believe in and look up to. Neither of these candidates are that person so its more about voting against the other person. Each has their base who would vote for them regardless of ANYTHING they do. The middle decides elections and if the choice was between a quality candidate from either party and one of these 2, that person would be running away with it in the states that matter.
Quote: Mooseton☝ Big difference between saying someone is a "great leader" and "a stronger leader of their country". Starts with nonsense...
The very first thing in the video was a lie...not sure why they felt the need to do that unless the felt that they could just lie and have it not be noticed...
Being a "stronger leader of a country" than our President is not all that high of a bar.
I am not all that worried about the election at this point. Neither one "scares" me in that I think they will try to do what is best and either would be better than what we have now. My day to day life will not be impacted all that much. That is one reason that I have stopped posting as much here--there are much more important things than posting here.
I will note it has been a much nicer place without...well, you know...we can disagree without being too disagreeable...
Quote: RonCI will note it has been a much nicer place without...well, you know...we can disagree without being too disagreeable...
That changes tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken.
Quote: ams288That changes tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken.
All good things must come to an end!!
Even this fine election cycle!!
Quote: RonC
Being a "stronger leader of a country" than our President is not all that high of a bar. and either would be better than what we have now.
Nonsense. We are going to miss Barack Obama. A thoughtful man who makes decisions with the long game in mind, not knee jerk reactions to what's polling popular at the moment.
Quote: SteverinosNonsense. We are going to miss Barack Obama. A thoughtful man who makes decisions with the long game in mind, not knee jerk reactions to what's polling popular at the moment.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I won't miss him one bit. Even though I was not a supporter of his, I had high hopes for his administration.
Has she seen the two candidates this year?
Quote: RonCWe'll have to agree to disagree.
I won't miss him one bit. Even though I was not a supporter of his, I had high hopes for his administration.
Biggest median income jump for the middle class and poor in 50 years. Record private sector job growth. 4.9% unemployment. Deficit cut by 2/3. Vast majority of troops are home with their families. Record low uninsured rate. Housing market back.
With ZERO help from the Republican party that oversaw the mess he inherited. I just don't know what you want the guy to do. He has been damned if he does, damned if he doesn't his ENTIRE presidency.
Quote: SteverinosIs James Comey a corrupt individual?
Did James Comey say Hillary played by the rules?
Was Hillary honest about her emails?
I don't think this is a shining moment for him but it was proven than Hillary did not follow the rules and that she has lied about it. No need for a prosecution; just as there was no need to impeach the other Clinton for using Monica to hold his cigar.
Suppose Trumps tax return where he deducted 900 million in losses was audited and the IRS ruled against him. Would that be public knowledge?
If it was ruled against him and disallowed, the returns for future years wouldn't have the carryover so an examination of them would be relevant.
Does the IRS make public the results of a non criminal audit?
Quote: MaxPenTrump is ahead by an unprecedented margin in early voting in Florida despite Hillary outspending him 5:1 in that state. I sure wish you guys were so concerned about Hillary losing multiple billions of our money as you are about Trump losing a billion of his own money.
How much money are you gonna lose when Hillary wins?
Quote: MaxPenTrump is ahead by an unprecedented margin in early voting in Florida despite Hillary outspending him 5:1 in that state. I sure wish you guys were so concerned about Hillary losing multiple billions of our money as you are about Trump losing a billion of his own money.
Nate Silver has Hillary 63.5% chance of winning Florida
Trump will break the record of a Republican getting the fewest % of Hispanic votes ever
Quote: terapinedNate Silver has Hillary 63.5% chance of winning Florida
Trump will break the record of a Republican getting the fewest % of Hispanic votes ever
Remember this: Righties always HATE Nate Silver (until he says a Republican is in the lead).
He's going to introduce legislation to close the LOOPHOLE that allowed Trump to potentially pay no federal income tax for 18 years.
Bernie Sanders vows to close tax loophole that lets Trump avoid taxes
But, you know, according to Trump supporters, we can't trust Hillary because everything she says is a lie.
Well, some new audio has come out of him making awful comments.... Not racist comments, but they're very misogynistic and gross about women.
It is audio from 2005 of Donald Trump talking to Billy Bush on a tour bus of some kind.
In the audio, he says awful things about women he's attracted to. He just sounds like a 13 year old perverted boy.
We are at the point where Republicans are going to flee Trump in droves. He's losing badly in basically every swing state now. He's repeatedly proved he's mentally unhinged.
I think we are going to hear a lot of "Vote for downballot Republicans in order to have a check on Hillary" next week.
Trump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005
Quote:In that audio, Trump discusses a failed attempt to seduce a woman, whose full name is not given in the video.
“I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
“Whoa,” another voice said.
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.
Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.”
At that point in the audio, Trump and Bush appear to notice Arianne Zucker, the actress who is waiting to escort them into the soap opera set.
“Your girl’s hot as s---, in the purple,” says Bush, who’s now a co-host of NBC’s “Today” show.
“Whoa!” Trump says. “Whoa!”
“I’ve gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her,” Trump says.“You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”
“And when you’re a star they let you do it,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”
Whatever you want,” says another voice, apparently Bush’s.
“Grab them by the p---y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”
I wonder if the phrase "Grab them by the pussy" will come up in Sunday night's debate?
Quote: ams288Here's the story:
I was going say it might still generate something like privacy complaints. I never overestimate what Trump diehards will give a pass to.
But probably not with a couple lines.
Like this one,
Quote:“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,”
Trump bragging about trying to sleep with someone's wife.
edit - underestimate I suppose.
This election is over.
That's how you know it's a devastating night for Trump... Wikileaks had to jump in and try to help.
But who cares? The primary is over. Could have hurt her against Bernie. Against Trump the sexist pig? Irrelevant.
Quote: ams288Here's the story:
Trump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005
I wonder if the phrase "Grab them by the pussy" will come up in Sunday night's debate?
That would be the 4,000th lewdest conversation I've ever had. And about the 50,000th lewdest I've ever heard.
I find some of these stories really interesting. Is this aimed at women? I've found that most women don't fully realize how lewd men can get, and some are clueless.
Of course, most men also don't know how lewd women get when talking to each other.
Is the idea that we pretend such a conversation is very unusual?
Maybe it's the last thing, about just kissing women as an opener and grabbing pussy. But, I don't know, is that true? Is he kind of joking? Probably a little of each.
It's also striking, with some of the things Trump has advocated, like assassinating children for the crimes of their parents, or becoming a nation that tortures (more openly), that this is the stuff that upsets people. We live in interesting times.
It doesn't matter whether it's very unusual among you and your friends. It only matters whether it's acceptable for public officials in the eyes of the voting public. We already know that Trump has cheated on his wife before, but now we know that he's aggressively chased after married women and talks (and thinks) as that audio indicates. I think there will be quite a bit of negative fallout from this.Quote: RigondeauxThat would be the 4,000th lewdest conversation I've ever had. And about the 50,000th lewdest I've ever heard.
I find some of these stories really interesting. Is this aimed at women? I've found that most women don't fully realize how lewd men can get, and some are clueless.
Of course, most men also don't know how lewd women get when talking to each other.
Is the idea that we pretend such a conversation is very unusual?
And no, I don't think everyone talks like Trump does. The signatories to this petition likely don't:
https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump
And not to put too fine a point on it:
"No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever," Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in a brief statement.
Quote: MathExtremistIt doesn't matter whether it's very unusual among you and your friends. It only matters whether it's acceptable for public officials in the eyes of the voting public. We already know that Trump has cheated on his wife before, but now we know that he's aggressively chased after married women and talks (and thinks) as that audio indicates. I think there will be quite a bit of negative fallout from this.
And no, I don't think everyone talks like Trump does. The signatories to this petition likely don't:
https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump
And not to put too fine a point on it:
"No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever," Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in a brief statement.
Game over
Nate has Clinton at 80% and this last bombshell isn't factored in yet.
How would that work? Would Mike Pence take over for Trump on the top of the ticket?
Early votes have already been cast....
Quote: MathExtremistIt doesn't matter whether it's very unusual among you and your friends. It only matters whether it's acceptable for public officials in the eyes of the voting public. We already know that Trump has cheated on his wife before, but now we know that he's aggressively chased after married women and talks (and thinks) as that audio indicates. I think there will be quite a bit of negative fallout from this.
And no, I don't think everyone talks like Trump does. The signatories to this petition likely don't:
https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump
And not to put too fine a point on it:
"No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever," Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in a brief statement.
It's not me and my friends so much. It's co-workers, customers, poker players, family members.
Public hypocrites are part of the phenomenon. These huffy performances, when we pretend that something that is fairly normal is an unprecedented moral outrage.
You've never said "tits" or "pussy" or that you want to eff a girl? Are there many people like that? What do they say to each other in bed? I guess part of the issue is that, whatever people are like that, a lot of them are Republicans.
These aren't really things I go out of my way to say. I'm not one to elbow a stranger in the ribs and say, "check out the ass on that!" I find it offputting when someone does that, but I just reckon he's insecure.
However, I've certainly talked about sex and physical attraction in non-clinical terms before, often exaggerating for comedic effect. Sometimes to women.
Like I said, it's just interesting. It's hard to gauge what's going on with people's reactions.
You'd have to be fantastically naive to not already assume that Trump, and Bill Clinton, have had countless conversations like this, and much "worse." But maybe it's one of those situations when people react more strongly when confronted with what they already know. Also an interesting phenomenon.
Meanwhile, both candidates have advocated deliberately killing children in order to punish some wrong doer to whom they are connected, which isn't such a big deal. Like I said, interesting times.
Quote: MathExtremistI
And not to put too fine a point on it:
"No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever," Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in a brief statement.
Bah. Between consenting adults is my standard.
If two people want to call each other filthy names and agree to it why do I care?
But that's not the case with Trump, at least as he describes some things. That's why he's a jerk.
Quote: terapinedGame over
Nate has Clinton at 80% and this last bombshell isn't factored in yet.
You must not have been a gambler for too long. Most of us have watched much longer shots burn dollars many times over.
I think the 1989 Oakland A's were bigger favorites and got swept by the Reds.
Buster Douglass- Mike Tyson anyone?
How about the Cavs down 3-1 last June.
Would Pence, as V.P. candidate ascend to the top spot? If so, would early and absentee votes cast for the ticket be automatically credited to the new nominee?
As I have said before, successful people will find ways to continue to grow their lives regardless of what is thrown in front of them. And complainers will never be happy, always looking for someone to blame. If Hillary wins it still will be the GOP Congress keeping them down, not allowing her to make their lives better. When the person that could change their life is looking them in the mirror everyday.
Quote: DTRobersConstitutionally, what happens if Trump is coerced ( i.e. dragged kicking and screaming) from his position on the Republican ticket?
Would Pence, as V.P. candidate ascend to the top spot? If so, would early and absentee votes cast for the ticket be automatically credited to the new nominee?
That's what I'm wondering.
There would be lots of lawsuits. Ballots have already been finalized and votes have been cast.
EDIT: Imagine this ending up in front of the 8 person Supreme Court. Thanks Republicans!
Quote: ams288That's what I'm wondering.
There would be lots of lawsuits. Ballots have already been finalized and votes have been cast.
It's way too messy at this point. It is what it is. Can't the Supreme Court just refuse to hear cases, which I think is what they would do in that last month?
There'd have to be something much more dramatic. Like someone committing a violent crime. I think.
Quote: BozI still wonder why so many people are so excited their candidate may win. Is it really going to change your life?.
I vote left not for Clinton but for a liberal Supreme Court justice and some issues
Some of those decisions affect me and my friends lives
Gay marriage
Choice
HB2
Net Neutrality
Legal pot
Quote: Boz
And would the other candidate have hurt your life?.
I believe strongly in freedom in international trade
My job depends on it
Trump could crash the international markets with tariffs.
You don't vote.for President. You vote for electors who have promised to vote for the candidate they support. Your early vote stands.
This is why I object to early voting starting more than a month before election.
There is nothing in the Constitution or in Federal law that dictates what happens if a nominee dies or withdraws. The two parties
have different rules for replacing a nominee.
Quote: MichaelBluejayThe latest scandal involving Donald Trump has gripped the nation by its pussy.
LOL.
Your earlier point was spot on, too. Although, we don't really have to imagine Obama doing, cuz we got Bill.
And it works the other way, obviously, as many of those who were appalled by Bill, have no problem with Trump.
The South Park epsisodes about presidential elections are good at capturing all of this. I haven't watched the show in 2-3 seasons, but this one has been really funny so far, with Mr. Garison as Trump/The Giant Douche and Hillary as the turd sandwich.
"Are you crazy? How could you vote for a giant douche?"
"Am I crazy? You're the one voting for a turd sandwich!"
Quote: RigondeauxLOL.
Your earlier point was spot on, too. Although, we don't really have to imagine Obama doing, cuz we got Bill.
And it works the other way, obviously, as many of those who were appalled by Bill, have no problem with Trump.
The South Park epsisodes about presidential elections are good at capturing all of this. I haven't watched the show in 2-3 seasons, but this one has been really funny so far, with Mr. Garison as Trump/The Giant Douche and Hillary as the turd sandwich.
"Are you crazy? How could you vote for a giant douche?"
"Am I crazy? You're the one voting for a turd sandwich!"
Although, I believe with Bill there were actions done, Hillary defending him (and attacking the women). But with this new audio/video clip of Trump, seems like the later part of it Billy is fueling the fire which keeps Trump going. Seems like this was more of a private conversation.....people are making it out as if this was part of one of his speeches.
The point is not that what he SAID was shocking, it's that what he said that he DID is shocking.Quote: RSBut with this new audio/video clip of Trump, seems like the later part of it Billy is fueling the fire which keeps Trump going. Seems like this was more of a private conversation.....people are making it out as if this was part of one of his speeches.
I think the pussy grabbing was at least partially a joke. Though, if you are rich, powerful and famous, who knows. If it is readily obvious that a woman is a groupie or something, maybe that's how it goes down sometimes.
How could anyone be even mildly surprised at a guy like Trump (or Clinton) hitting on a married woman?
