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billryan
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August 7th, 2016 at 6:40:03 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Sorry, like all conspiracy theories, this one needs evidence to be credible. Under what law, in what jurisdiction in the US, is it illegal to possess large amounts of cash? (NOTE: I am only really debating whether it is or is not illegal. I think that BobConspiracy is misinterpreting one or two incidents as "it happens all the time" and doesn't know the context of those incidents, but I suppose the cops COULD be stopping cars at random and looting the contents without any outcry or publicity other than some random clown reporting it on the internet (that treasure house of truth)).

But I guess it's more fun to believe in massive global conspiracies than it is to be objective or rational. BobConspiracy does love his theories. It's more fun than the real world, after all. Boring: a couple of cops stopped a couple of people, and they turned out to have a large amount of cash in their car. They were arrested for something else, and the cash was taken into police custody rather than leaving it in the car for the tow truck driver to steal. Fun: a regiment of aliens from the planet Dweemo has landed in the eastern US and has set up shop on Highway 40, polymorphing themselves into traffic cops and using their alien Money Vision to pull over and loot the cars of unsuspecting casino patrons. They plan to use the funds to further their plans for galactic conquest, as the shop on Bloviatus Five that sells the Apocalypse Ray Guns only accepts American dollars, the most valued currency in the galaxy. Oooooooo! So much more fun than reality!




There have been numerous media investigations into this, with many documented cases of police agencies abusing the forfeiture laws, sizing cash for people coming and going to casinos.
I'm rather surprised you are not aware of this.
Forbes had a big write-up on in May 2014.
Dalex64
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August 7th, 2016 at 6:47:17 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

There have been numerous media investigations into this, with many documented cases of police agencies abusing the forfeiture laws, sizing cash for people coming and going to casinos.
I'm rather surprised you are not aware of this.
Forbes had a big write-up on in May 2014.



So you think that because some police abuse some of the laws, that we are not a nation of laws?
bobbartop
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August 7th, 2016 at 8:03:28 PM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

So you think that because some police abuse some of the laws, that we are not a nation of laws?





What I was getting at is that if the government can steal the money of some poor AP driving to a casino, without due process, then why do we have to honor some agreement to give $400 million to Iran? KEEP THE MONEY. They're an outlaw nation.

Here's an idea. Hold free elections, free your people, THEN you can have the money.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
billryan
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August 7th, 2016 at 8:38:54 PM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

So you think that because some police abuse some of the laws, that we are not a nation of laws?




Where did I say that? Joe said he doubted this was happening, and I pointed him to articles confirming it was.
SAMIAM
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August 7th, 2016 at 9:06:21 PM permalink
US v. $124,700 (US Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit, 8/19/2006)
Anybody know if this was overturned on appeal. Judge ruled police could confiscate 124K, despite man never had a criminal history and was not charged with a crime.
Federal Appeals Court: Driving With Money is a Crime

Still can post a link ? So just paraphrasing
ams288
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August 8th, 2016 at 5:55:44 AM permalink
Report: CIA Veteran & Republican Wonk Evan McMullin to Enter Presidential Race

Democrats this morning:

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
RonC
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August 8th, 2016 at 6:20:13 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

The secrecy was because having that much cash on a plane is a target from everything from common criminals to the intelligence agencies of countries opposed to the deal. What would have happened if someone from somewhere simply lol y shot the plane down?.
The timing of the flight is problematic.



Okay...but they could easily have released the information earlier...
gamerfreak
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August 8th, 2016 at 7:42:45 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Okay...but they could easily have released the information earlier...


Apparently they announced they were doing this almost 6 months ago, and I can't remember anyone taking issue with it then. Not that I completely agree with what was done.
Joeshlabotnik
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August 8th, 2016 at 8:15:44 AM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

What I was getting at is that if the government can steal the money of some poor AP driving to a casino, without due process, then why do we have to honor some agreement to give $400 million to Iran? KEEP THE MONEY. They're an outlaw nation.

Here's an idea. Hold free elections, free your people, THEN you can have the money.



The act you describe is not "the government stealing." It is "a government employee stealing." The distinction is not all that subtle, but I apparently needed to explain it to you.

The reason why we have to "honor some agreement" is that we made that agreement. We had been holding on to that money for decades. IT WASN'T OURS. Your moral stance here is kind of strange. It's OK to steal from a sovereign nation but an outrage for a cop to steal from an individual?

Telling another nation that we won't replay a debt until they change their political system to our liking is ridiculous. We didn't GIVE them the money. We paid it back. And without interest, I might add, even though we had the money for more than forty years.
gamerfreak
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August 8th, 2016 at 8:21:25 AM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Telling another nation that we won't replay a debt until they change their political system to our liking is ridiculous. We didn't GIVE them the money. We paid it back. And without interest, I might add, even though we had the money for more than forty years.


That's the only redeeming thing about this, 400 million in 1970's money was a lot more than 400 million in 2016 money. Plus the lost opportunity to invest/spend the money.

I just think you shouldn't hand out money that kinda sorta might fund terrorism under any circumstance.

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