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gpac1377
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December 28th, 2013 at 4:57:50 PM permalink
This is a thread for my dumbass questions about smoking.

First, a few facts about smoking in the USA:

Reportedly, about 25% of adults are smokers (including any combination of cigarettes, cigars and pipes).

Male smokers outnumber females by a few percentage points. (Worldwide, men are overwhelmingly more likely to smoke.)

Educational attainment is very strongly predictive. Smoking rates approach 50% among the least educated, diminishing to near 5% for Americans with postgrad degrees.

Income is strongly predictive, with smoking rates of about 35% for poverty-level Americans, diminishing to about 10% for high-income earners.

Ethnically in the USA, Asians and Hispanics are underachievers, with smoking rates of only about 15% or less.

Old people are much less likely to smoke.


I'll follow up in a moment with my first question.
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December 28th, 2013 at 4:58:58 PM permalink
Question: Is tobacco the "best" drug?

It's the most popular, but we don't exactly have a free market. Let's be clear, I'm certainly not suggesting that adults should be allowed to make their own decisions. But hypothetically, if all drugs were available and permissible, would Americans continue fixating on their cigarettes, or would they migrate to something else that would better meet their drug objectives?
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December 28th, 2013 at 5:48:59 PM permalink
I wonder what percentage of casino gamblers smoke?
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December 28th, 2013 at 6:15:22 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

Question: Is tobacco the "best" drug?

It's the most popular, but we don't exactly have a free market. Let's be clear, I'm certainly not suggesting that adults should be allowed to make their own decisions. But hypothetically, if all drugs were available and permissible, would Americans continue fixating on their cigarettes, or would they migrate to something else that would better meet their drug objectives?


"best" may be interpreted differently, but I would believe it will be the most popular even if ALL drugs were available and permissible. Nicotine is addictive, but smoking is far deeper then just getting a dose of nicotine. There is a psychological addiction as well for smoking. Which may be why the e-cig market is growing at a rapid pace. They want something to hold, something to inhale and exhale, the way the smoke looks, etc.

I don't think there will be a sudden spike in hard drugs like heroin and cocaine. Probably a noticeable increase on marijuana, maybe x and ketamine. along with prescription drugs. But, I still think tobacco will be a "universal" use. Meaning, someone who does hard drugs will smoke tobacco along with someone who does marijuana or nothing at all.
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December 28th, 2013 at 6:30:04 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I wonder what percentage of casino gamblers smoke?


I didn't find much research when I looked. Here's a report from some time after 2006:

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/nevadaeconstudy.pdf

They actually walked around casinos and counted the people who were smoking. They found about 7%, and their rule of thumb was to multiply by 3 to account for smokers taking a break between cigarettes or whatever. So they estimated about 21% as the rate of smokers in casinos, which matches the general population.

But I've tried it myself, and my survey results are never as low as 7%. I believe casino gamblers are probably twice as likely to be smokers, compared against the general public.

Definition of terms is not always clear. Frequently I hear a figure of about 20% for the general population, but that's cigarettes only. When you factor in cigars and pipes, 25% is probably more accurate, and 50% would be my guess for patrons in Nevada casinos.
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December 28th, 2013 at 6:30:30 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

. But hypothetically, if all drugs were available and permissible, would Americans continue fixating on their cigarettes, or would they migrate to something else that would better meet their drug objectives?



Opium?

Or chewing coca leaves.

There are mild versions of some drugs that people might prefer to cigarettes. Actually, I'm just kidding about opium. I don't think that's a good choice for casual use, based on what little I know about it.
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December 28th, 2013 at 6:43:49 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Actually, I'm just kidding about opium. .



Ever smoke opium? That stuff is amazing. You
feel like everything right is with the world, a
totally different experience from smoking weed.
I can see why it would be so addictive and
why Mao closed all the opium dens in China
when he took over. Nobody would ever get
anything done.
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December 28th, 2013 at 6:50:10 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

I didn't find much research when I looked. Here's a report from some time after 2006:

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/nevadaeconstudy.pdf

They actually walked around casinos and counted the people who were smoking. They found about 7%, and their rule of thumb was to multiply by 3 to account for smokers taking a break between cigarettes or whatever. So they estimated about 21% as the rate of smokers in casinos, which matches.










the general population. In my experience I would have guessed 40% or more.

But I've tried it myself, and my survey results are never as low as 7%. I believe casino gamblers are probably twice as likely to be smokers, compared against the general public.

Definition of terms is not always clear. Frequently I hear a figure of about 20% for the general population, but that's cigarettes only. When you factor in cigars and pipes, 25% is probably more accurate, and 50% would be my guess for patrons in Nevada casinos.

I would have guessed 40% or more.
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December 28th, 2013 at 6:55:07 PM permalink
I only smoked opium once, sprinkled on (inside) a joint, about 35 years ago. Never allowed myself to have it again. That there is goooooood crackers.
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AZDuffman
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December 28th, 2013 at 7:35:39 PM permalink
25% seems high, I have heard 18-20% as more reliable.

A few things I notice:

Casinos will give a distorted view of smokers as some people who are very rare smokers will light up there.

Since the prices of smokes have pushed upwards and smoking banned in more and more places starting in the late 1980s to early 1990s I do not notice more people quitting but you do not see so many "2 pack a day" smokers as back in the 1970s.

The number of brands has crashed, but the brand extensions have exploded. There seem to be now just a few brands whereas back when I stocked and ordered smokes for my store there were dozens and brand loyalty was fierce not just to the brand but to the sub-brands. Winston smokers would not buy the hard-pack unless that was all we had on a Sunday. They claimed you got 1-2 less drags.

I know at least one smoker almost burned down their house because of it.

90% of the people under age 60 who smoke and I ask why anybody would start such a habit the story always starts, "well, at first I only smoked when I drank and.........." so the efforts to stop smoking in bars might show results.

Had my first e-smoker at my table last weekend. Better than blowing smoke in my face but she still had the smokers voice.

It killed at least one of my relatives, but I still recognize to ban it is impossible and some efforts, like bans in people's own homes, are going to far.
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