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kenarman
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:02:32 AM permalink
EvenBob I think you have unintentionally pointed out what is wrong with almost everyones moral position. You want to hold someone else to a higher moral standard than yourself. A priest (or equivalent of any religion) that is really respected and becomes loved does it by helping everyone they meet deal with life. Not by scaring and threating people. They also show honesty about there own lifestyle and accept the fact that they are human. Lighten up EvenBob, since you like to quote old books how about '...... the first stone'.
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Paigowdan
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:14:49 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

....Now with my interest in gambling I'm wondering if I'm taking the rector's argument too far, I already love sports, like scotch, and smoke a nice cigar on occasion.


No, you are not. All normal human activities. Rabbis can smoke and drink, and like Deacons be a husband and father.
My pastoral advice as a "casino monk" (or a cop, more aptly):
1. You're a Catholic Christian, not a Mormon Christian - and some floor supervisors at my casino are Mormons. (They can supervise gambling games as a career, but may not gamble; IMO, this is a little like being a virgin sex conselor, but WTH.) So You may gamble: "Go, and play some more!"
2. Don't wear the collar at the tables: civilian clothes.
3. I will get a lot of flack from this forum from the Advantage Players here - but I forbid you to count cards, if I can! Secretly breaking a known casino ground rule for Blackjack is a bad faith violation of the spirit of the game producing a clear ethical conflict for someone of a higher standard: Blackjack was developed as a casino game before it was known it was countable, unlike poker where many forms of espionage are part of the game, and Blackjack was kept by casinos with that standard eternal policy. So, follow this as a matter of Priestly/Pastoral ethics. Plus, you can't make money at it nowadays, it looks bad for a priest to be backed off (angels are watching, and they know), and it's a confessionable venial sin, unlike a good cigar.
4. Also, if you see a hole card flashed on BJ or Three-card Poker, etc: a) mention it to the dealer right at the table, saying "this is wrong;" then b) fold a winning hand, or else c) play out a known losing hand. You will receive grace and get blessing by the Saints and the Angels assigned to the realm of gambling. Believe me, they exist! Also follow this as a matter of Priestly/Pastoral ethics!
5. Any indication of a compulsion forming must be examined, of course.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
odiousgambit
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:24:14 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I forbid you to count cards, if I can!



But if your casino has a triple-down promotion in BJ you may participate!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
pacomartin
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:28:03 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Now with my interest in gambling I'm wondering if I'm taking the rector's argument too far, I already love sports, like scotch, and smoke a nice cigar on occasion.



Teetotalism is not a solid indication of virtue. Adolf Hitler was a teetotaler. By virtue of your vows you've already given up sexual relationships.
kp
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:37:41 AM permalink
Quote: jsantee97

who are they to judge you when I am sure you do not judge them.



Isn't judging others and telling them how to live their lives one of the primary foundations of religion?
Paigowdan
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:48:57 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

...Adolf Hitler was a teetotaler....


Yes, but his personal physician would inject him a blast of methamphetamine on a frequent basis.
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Paigowdan
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:53:16 AM permalink
Quote: kp

Isn't judging others and telling them how to live their lives one of the primary foundations of religion?


No.
Not in Buddhism (where letting others "live and let live" without religious judgement is extremely Buddhist), not in so-called Christiandom where we have separation of church and state, and not in any religion that doesn't try to impose honor killings on family members or Sharia law and their courts and goon squads on the populace.
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Mosca
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:56:03 AM permalink
I'm OK with EvenBob's line of response. I think he's doing a good job of raising thoughtful objections that are within FrGamble's circumstance and beliefs. If there is any debate at all on the issue, the "don't gamble" argument given by EB is the one that carries the most weight.
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Paigowdan
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:59:38 AM permalink
How so?
EB sounds pretty intolerant and "off-the-mark" about casinos and casino gambling to me, perhaps to many of us, and at a gamblers' forum of all places.
I am pro-gambling. I am anti-cheating, anti-breaking the house rules, and anti-shot takers, which are actually anti-gambling acts.
A lot of us think EB's an absolute feather weight on all things gaming, to avoid using other adjectives and abverbs that may be inflamatory.
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MrV
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:59:56 AM permalink
Your life.

Your money.

Your choice...just so long as it's legal.

And even if it isn't legal ... same same.
"What, me worry?"

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