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May 16th, 2011 at 2:18:22 PM permalink
I'm not a big drinker and take the opportunity while in Vegas to use the free-drinks-while-gambling policies of casinos to try new drinks. My question is - how extensive a selection of drinks does the typical casino have or offer as free to gamblers? I'm going to the Wynn / Encoure in less than 2 months and there are a couple of drinks I'd like to try: ginger rose and shoeless sultan, for a few. It is reasonable to expect that they could make these for me?
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:26:59 PM permalink
Quote: shaun5

I'm not a big drinker and take the opportunity while in Vegas to use the free-drinks-while-gambling policies of casinos to try new drinks. My question is - how extensive a selection of drinks does the typical casino have or offer as free to gamblers? I'm going to the Wynn / Encoure in less than 2 months and there are a couple of drinks I'd like to try: ginger rose and shoeless sultan, for a few. It is reasonable to expect that they could make these for me?



I would not expect mucch fancy unless you were playing at a fairly high (>$25) level. Expect some bottles, table wine, well drinks, and whiskey/vodka/gin/etc neat or on the rocks. I could be wrong.
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:36:23 PM permalink
I won't drink while gambling, but last trip out my dad was sitting at a Let It Ride table watching me play and he ordered a Remy Martin expecting to pay for it, and they brought it to him for free even though he wasn't playing. He got two of them while I was playing, and I was only playing the minimum. He did give the server a five each time, though. He used to own a bar, so he knows the deal.

You can always ask "How much for a Shoeless Sultan?" and if it's free, go for it! He asked how much the drink would be before ordering.
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:38:58 PM permalink
Generally, the service bar (where the waitresses disappear to when getting the drinks) do not have huge selections. Often it's just the house brands.

The service bar for the high-limit area probably has more selections, and may have more latitude to get something to fill a request.

Personally, I think your best shot is while playing at a bar-top slot / poker machine - assuming the casino gives free drinks at the bar-top machines.
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:44:43 PM permalink
Don't order rum at the Flamingo. OMG!! It's awful!
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:47:29 PM permalink
I think if you're playing and the cocktail waitress and bartender know what you're talking about then they will make it, especially at Wynncore. Most drinks don't use expensive/top shelf liquor, so as long as it can be made with well/call brands then you should be okay. I do agree with AZ that you will have to be playing higher to be comped the better stuff, like the 15 year old scotches and brandies.

I drink quite a bit (meaning I try lots of things, not that I'm never sober) and have to confess I've never heard of either of those drinks. Any idea what is in them? My suggestions would be the classics: Old Fashioned, Manhattan (chilled and up), Sidecar (the supposed predecessor to the margarita, made with brandy and sugar rather than tequila and salt), gin martinis, etc.

Anyone been to cocktaildoll.com? It doesn't appear to be updated any time lately but it is supposed to be a guide from the waitresses' perspective.
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:50:41 PM permalink
Quote: shaun5

there are a couple of drinks I'd like to try: ginger rose and shoeless sultan, for a few. It is reasonable to expect that they could make these for me?


No. Before Mojitos became so popular, they didn't have mint leaves. So you can't really expect ingredients like mango puree and muddled rosemary:

Tequila Don Julio Shoeless Sultan Luxury Drop

Brian Van Flandern, Tequila Don Julio Global Brand Ambassador

Ingredients:
1 ounce Tequila Don Julio Anejo

1/2 ounce Dry Palo Cortado Sherry (Lustau Almesenista)

1 ounce Fresh Mango Puree

1 ounce Simple Syrup (1:1- 50% Sugar; 50% Water)

1/2 ounce Fresh Key Lime Juice

Muddled Rosemary

Pinch of Chipotle Chili Powder

Rosemary sprig for garnish
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:51:54 PM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

You can always ask "How much for a Shoeless Sultan?" ....


....and you'll be met with a blank stare. You may have to describe how to make it, then a bigger tip would be in order, especially if it contains pricey booze or time-consuming work for the bartender. Beer, well drinks and house wine are free. Or if you play high enough, or are a Diamond Member at Caesars, Grey Goose and up are even free ($3/each for non-members).
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May 16th, 2011 at 2:53:33 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Don't order rum at the Flamingo. OMG!! It's awful!



No one has good rum in my experience unless you're in Central America or on a tiny island south of Florida. Most people think that Bacardi and Captain Morgan are good so that's where the quality stops. Sometimes you can find Myers, which is just okay.

edit: @ Sancho
Holy crap, that's a shoeless sultan??? Seems like a waste of excellent Don Julio tequila to me.
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May 16th, 2011 at 3:55:10 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Don't order rum at the Flamingo. OMG!! It's awful!

At the Flamingo you would get awful rum, at Terribles you would get a glass of water slightly tainted with awful rum. Well, okay, not quite that bad, but just about.

Any "free" drink in a casino is being given to you because the casino makes a profit by doing it or atleast most of the time they do. So whether its a top shelf item or a well item, its "cost" to you can be very high even if its free. In a high limit area I'm told that if you just say 'Scotch' you will probably get a good one.

As always, you action will be noted and if you go from green to black chips, I imagine your booze quality creeps up a bit as well.
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May 16th, 2011 at 4:20:48 PM permalink
Quote: progrocker

No one has good rum in my experience unless you're in Central America or on a tiny island south of Florida. Most people think that Bacardi and Captain Morgan are good so that's where the quality stops. Sometimes you can find Myers, which is just okay.

edit: @ Sancho
Holy crap, that's a shoeless sultan??? Seems like a waste of excellent Don Julio tequila to me.

I love banana rum, and they have that at The Rum Jungle at Mandalay Bay. I don't even know if that restaurant/club still exists there, but from what I understand they have an extensive selection of rums.

A little side question, and maybe this is a given, but do you find that you tend to change your gambling habits the more you drink? I know that's their intent, and I have to say that I am one of the "sheep" that actually fall into this category. Back in February I made a $1000 bet on a blackjack hand and doubled down and lost. I didn't get upset at losing it, but I know that it's very likely I wouldn't have made that big of a bet had I not been fueled on a tremendous amount of free booze.
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May 16th, 2011 at 4:29:13 PM permalink
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I love banana rum, ........ I made a $1000 bet on a blackjack hand and doubled down and lost. I didn't get upset at losing it, but I know that it's very likely I wouldn't have made that big of a bet had I not been fueled on a tremendous amount of free booze.


Wow, you could've had a whole bottle for $1000 at Tryst! And even a chair to sit in.
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May 16th, 2011 at 4:30:52 PM permalink
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Wow, you could've had a whole bottle for $1000 at Tryst! And even a chair to sit in.

And at the same time I took the risk and could've ended up with 4 bottles instead, right?
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May 16th, 2011 at 4:50:13 PM permalink
Precisely... and if it had gone well, you would be very happy. The casino would welcome your sitting there doing your usual betting strategy but everyone seems to get a little more reckless in their gambling once you add booze into the equation. More often than not the booze works to the casino's advantage. If you stay there getting the free drinks, the bets are in their favor. If you increase your bets, they get an increased advantage. Either way, you are getting free booze and not likely to leave. No wonder casinos try to lubricate their patrons.
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May 16th, 2011 at 5:02:31 PM permalink
So is there really any other casino-type environment that beats Vegas in regards to all the factors... free booze, liberal rules, competitive lodging rates, comps etc.? I curious cuz I've always been under the impression that Vegas is the best hands down compared to all other places. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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May 16th, 2011 at 5:14:53 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

Wow, you could've had a whole bottle for $1000 at Tryst! And even a chair to sit in.


Don't forget that the expected player cost of a $1000 blackjack bet is less than $10. On the other hand, the cost of a $1000 bottle at Tryst is in the vicinity of $1200-$1300. Just to put things in perspective.
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May 16th, 2011 at 5:21:28 PM permalink
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Wow, you could've had a whole bottle for $1000 at Tryst! And even a chair to sit in.



You get a chair at the BJ table, too.
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May 16th, 2011 at 5:46:34 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

everyone seems to get a little more reckless in their gambling once you add booze into the equation.



No doubt, but has anyone ever gambled while on painkillers? A couple of times I was on painkillers and gambled and i will never do that again, much worse than being drunk!
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May 16th, 2011 at 7:27:19 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza


Ingredients:
1 ounce Tequila Don Julio Anejo

1/2 ounce Dry Palo Cortado Sherry (Lustau Almesenista)

1 ounce Fresh Mango Puree

1 ounce Simple Syrup (1:1- 50% Sugar; 50% Water)

1/2 ounce Fresh Key Lime Juice

Muddled Rosemary

Pinch of Chipotle Chili Powder

Rosemary sprig for garnish



I'd be amazed if any service bar at a casino had fresh mango puree, muddled Rosemary, and Chipotle Chili Powder on stock to make this drink. Maybe you should try a Vulcan Mind Probe, a Slippery Nipple, or a Watermelon Shot instead!
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May 17th, 2011 at 11:16:59 AM permalink
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No doubt, but has anyone ever gambled while on painkillers? A couple of times I was on painkillers and gambled and i will never do that again, much worse than being drunk!

No, but went into the Palms after taking a Xanax. Didn't gamble, but felt like I had drunken 8 beers.
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:03:12 PM permalink
Quote: Toes14

I'd be amazed if any service bar at a casino had fresh mango puree, muddled Rosemary, and Chipotle Chili Powder on stock to make this drink.



Maybe not. But it brings some trivia to mind: why hasn't anyone ever seen a Chipotle pepper in its natural state?

Quote:

Maybe you should try a Vulcan Mind Probe,



Shoulnd't that be a Vulcan Mind Meld? Just asking...
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:29:58 PM permalink
Cos' it's a smoked Jalapeno pepper so they don't grow on trees, yah know...
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:35:26 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Maybe not. But it brings some trivia to mind: why hasn't anyone ever seen a Chipotle pepper in its natural state?







More trivia: why don't they sell cashews in the shell?




When I was bartending, I always hated when the smartasses would ask for a Screaming Viking just because of that Cheers episode.
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:36:57 PM permalink
Cos the cashew isn't a nut, it's a bean type thing on the end of a big old fruit, which doesn't come in a nutshell?
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:37:54 PM permalink
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More trivia: why don't they sell cashews in the shell?.



Bad marketing strategy to poison your customer base.
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:38:54 PM permalink
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Cos the cashew isn't a nut, it's a bean type thing on the end of a big old fruit, which doesn't come in a nutshell?



It's related to poison ivy, and the shells contain the urushiol which is the irritant.
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:39:18 PM permalink
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Cos' it's a smoked Jalapeno pepper so they don't grow on trees, yah know...



I really thought I'd get some milleage off it. You'd be amazed how many people in mexico don't know that.
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:46:10 PM permalink
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I really thought I'd get some milleage off it. You'd be amazed how many people in mexico don't know that.



I'd never heard of a Chipotle Sauce before I moved to North America, loved it and wanted to know where it came from...

As for the Cashew, I never knew that. I just knew it wasn't a typical nut. Like the peanut isn't a real nut either...
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May 17th, 2011 at 2:56:25 PM permalink
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I'd never heard of a Chipotle Sauce before I moved to North America, loved it and wanted to know where it came from...



Mexican cooking involves, ins ome dishes, a wide variety of peppers. You can get them natural, dried or pickled, depending on what you need them for. To make most salsas worth mentioning, you toast dried peppers. To make escabeche (pickled pepeprs and vegetables), you buy them natural or pickled. And so on...

So how come many people know they can buy dried chipotles and canned chipotles, as well as other types of processed chipotles, but not natural ones?
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May 17th, 2011 at 3:23:23 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Cos the cashew isn't a nut, it's a bean type thing on the end of a big old fruit, which doesn't come in a nutshell?


The delicious so-called cashew apple isn't really that big. But the maranon is delicious. Central Americans chop it along with other fruits like papaya and pineapple to make a deliciously sweet and chilled fruit punch, or fresco, that is widely sold at, among other places, bus stops alongside horchata and the like.
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May 17th, 2011 at 3:35:40 PM permalink
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No doubt, but has anyone ever gambled while on painkillers? A couple of times I was on painkillers and gambled and i will never do that again, much worse than being drunk!

Yeah, I was on pills once and was quite careful to order Orange Juice only with nothing in it at all. Then somehow the tray lizard (sorry, Paco) at the Venetian brought me a screwdriver ... at least I stopped before making the contemplated 5,000 come bet and only put a 1,000 chip out there. I had been doing fifty dollar flat bets, so it was quite a jump. Even elicited a comment from the dealer. Pills and Booze. What was that friend in Chelsea Liza Minelli had? Elsie? Or Anita O'Day's comment at her first heroin shot: This is better than a martini and a few moments later this is better than sex.

In my younger days, I used to have a plastic ear plug container on my key ring. Sometimes it actually had ear plugs in it. Sometimes they were pills. As a matter of fact most times they were pills. The night someone filched my keys from the wall ledge and later returned them empty, I was real lucky. The pills that night happened to be vitamins. Some drunk broad must have been really disappointed that night. No high at all. Or atleast no extra high. I'm sure that whichever drunk broad it was in that bar she was already high. They all were. All the time. When traveling, don't use those plastic pill boxes you get for free at health fairs, keep all meds in the officially labeled containers. Much safer for everyone but probably disappointing for the dealers who might otherwise get toked like crazy. Pills and gambling really don't mix. Atleast not for me.

As for exotic fruit/nuts/whatever, how about the Chinese Gooseberry. Now that made a fortune for some Korean woman in California who renamed it as Kiwi Fruit. And remember, a shelled nut is one that has been removed from the shell. Even if its a peanut which is indeed a legume rather than a nut.
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May 17th, 2011 at 5:47:43 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Shoulnd't that be a Vulcan Mind Meld? Just asking...



Same thing. I've heard it called both ways, and I've looked up both recipes. They are identical.

On a side note, this brought to mind a drink I had years ago that was tasty but had the worst name ever. Who would ever order an Alien Secretion? (It's made with Midori, Malibu Rum, and Pineapple juice. Sometimes vodka too.)
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May 17th, 2011 at 6:03:06 PM permalink
Quote: Toes14

On a side note, this brought to mind a drink I had years ago that was tasty but had the worst name ever. Who would ever order an Alien Secretion? (It's made with Midori, Malibu Rum, and Pineapple juice. Sometimes vodka too.)


And your post brought to mind a drink I heard about years ago. It was a Screwdriver made with Sloe Gin and Southern Comfort. They called it a slow, comfortable screw.
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May 17th, 2011 at 6:11:07 PM permalink
I remember a lot of strange drinks from back in the day when I was a bouncer. Gorilla Farts, Cum in a Tub, Mexican Flag, Alaskan Oil Spill, Windex, Cement Mixer, Surfer on Acid, etc.
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May 17th, 2011 at 6:14:19 PM permalink
Quote: gofaster87

I remember a lot of strange drinks from back in the day when I was a bouncer. Gorilla Farts, Cum in a Tub, Mexican Flag, Alaskan Oil Spill, Windex, Cement Mixer, Surfer on Acid, etc.



Don't forget my favorite from New Orleans at Pat O's - "Skylab Fallout!" I'm a simple guy, give me a beer or a Chivas Regal, and I'm happy.

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May 17th, 2011 at 6:14:35 PM permalink
Quote: Toes14

Same thing. I've heard it called both ways, and I've looked up both recipes. They are identical.



I've never had Ouzo. But as rule the only rum-based drink I ever have is Piña Colada, as long as it's virgin Piña Colada :P
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May 18th, 2011 at 4:46:15 AM permalink
I was talking with the bartender at one of the venues where my poker league plays. Management is going to allow the bartenders to invent a drink du jour. I immediately suggested the name: Gay Butt Fuck.

While we were laughing about it, a buddy on his iPhone pulled up the recipe for Anal Sex, and a couple other choice drinks...
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May 18th, 2011 at 6:22:42 AM permalink
Quote: gofaster87

I remember a lot of strange drinks from back in the day when I was a bouncer. Gorilla Farts, Cum in a Tub, Mexican Flag, Alaskan Oil Spill, Windex, Cement Mixer, Surfer on Acid, etc.



Cement Mixers and Gorilla Farts were nasty. Never heard of the others. Worst shot I ever had was at a popular college bar where I went to school. They had a Pond Scum shot and I don't remember the liquor in it but they'd float some cottage cheese. Nasty. On your 21st you were guaranteed to do a few of them.
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:00:05 AM permalink
Gay Butt Fuck, Anal Sex, Sex on the Beach, Pond Scum, chocolate martinis ... whatever happened to Scotch and Soda? These days a bartender at a party if asked for a Scotch and Soda would serve you two bottles. Bartenders are so dumb these days they don't even set up the bar in the room with the coats. How on earth they gonna get any earrings or credit cards if they don't set up the bar in the room with the coats? Kids these days got no brains! All the kids do nowadays is drink, screw and get tattoos. And the guys are just as bad!!

I don't never walk the strip carrying an overgrown test tube drowned in some multi-colored stuff. If its a yard long, how much Roofie do you have to put in it?

I tell you... the times have surely changed.
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:05:20 AM permalink
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Cement Mixers and Gorilla Farts were nasty. Never heard of the others. Worst shot I ever had was at a popular college bar where I went to school. They had a Pond Scum shot and I don't remember the liquor in it but they'd float some cottage cheese. Nasty. On your 21st you were guaranteed to do a few of them.



Don't forget the LA Freeway, the one where you pick up the long bar mat they mix the drinks on and pour all the spillage into a glass. There was always some drunken bigshot who was "man enough" to tackle that at the end of a Saturday night.

I liked the Windex that was just a Kamikaze made with Blue Curacao instead of Triple Sec. It was tasty and a conversation starter. I've seen recipes for it with rum also, but I liked it with just vodka, Blue Curacao, and Roses' lime juice. Nowadays, every drink looks like some kind of Kool-Aid, so the Windex wouldn't stand out.
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:07:35 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Gay Butt Fuck, Anal Sex, Sex on the Beach, Pond Scum, chocolate martinis ... whatever happened to Scotch and Soda? These days a bartender at a party if asked for a Scotch and Soda would serve you two bottles.

I tell you... the times have surely changed.



True story: My dad ordered a scotch and soda and the waitress asked him "What kind of soda?"

Gee, I dunno--maybe grape soda???
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:15:23 AM permalink
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Don't forget the LA Freeway, the one where you pick up the long bar mat they mix the drinks on and pour all the spillage into a glass. There was always some drunken bigshot who was "man enough" to tackle that at the end of a Saturday night.

Ugh! OK. I admit it. I'm not man enough....
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:23:36 AM permalink
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Ugh! OK. I admit it. I'm not man enough....



Or not drunk enough. Or not insecure enough to do it just to show off.

It never impressed anyone--trust me.
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:28:26 AM permalink
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There was always some drunken bigshot who was "man enough" to tackle that at the end of a Saturday night.

Nowadays it seems the drunken bigshot would be some tattooed broad. In my day, the more daring young ladies would simply ask the bartender to save his mistakes for them. The bar mat? What about all the cigarette ash, drugs, chewing gum and filthy fingers that touched that bar mat?
Heck, I once had a bartender grab an unwashed glass with lipstick on it and serve my drink order in it. It was a busy night and glasses were indeed in short supply but that bartender was stone cold sober at the time.
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:33:16 AM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

True story: My dad ordered a scotch and soda and the waitress asked him "What kind of soda?"



Restaurant or bar waitress? A restaurant waitress, even at a aplce with a full bar, may not know all about drinks. Though something that simple should be obvious.

BTW, in some places it may not be that simple. Club soda is not easy to find in mexico, if you can find it at all. The popular drink here is carbonated mineral water, and I mean mineral-rich water. If you remember your high school physics or chemistry, mineral water has low surface tension and doesn't form long lasting bubbles. It also tastes like hell with CO2

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Gee, I dunno--maybe grape soda???



Now that's silly. Grape soda would go much better with vodka :P
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:40:34 AM permalink
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Restaurant or bar waitress?



It was a bar. He used to own a strip club.

They weren't hired for their intelligence or experience, believe me...
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:47:51 AM permalink
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They weren't hired for their intelligence or experience, believe me...


They never are. If their IQ score is 44 they can hired and if their IQ score is 44 Double D, they will definitely be hired.
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May 18th, 2011 at 7:56:26 AM permalink
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Heck, I once had a bartender grab an unwashed glass with lipstick on it and serve my drink order in it. It was a busy night and glasses were indeed in short supply but that bartender was stone cold sober at the time.



Reminds me of a joke. There are two guys playing in the casino and the cocktail waitress comes by....

Waitress: Drinks?

Guy 1: I'd like a beer.

Guy 2: I'd like a beer too, and this time in a clean glass.

Five minutes later the cocktail waitress returns with two beers on her tray.

Waitress: Okay, which one of you asked for the clean glass?
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