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May 15th, 2014 at 5:59:58 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I tried that on this site back in the early days.

Total revenue I made? $0.00.



Define "try".

I'm getting my feet wet with the sponsorship of my race team, and it's bloody maddening. It's no after no after excuse after excuse. We know how much we'll get if we stop trying. But who knows how much we'll get if we don't.
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:09:13 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Define "try".

I'm getting my feet wet with the sponsorship of my race team, and it's bloody maddening. It's no after no after excuse after excuse. We know how much we'll get if we stop trying. But who knows how much we'll get if we don't.



I can relate to that. I tried and tried and tried. It took me 3 years and winning a championship before I got a few. One of which gave me tires for the season. It saved me about $1900 that year.
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:13:22 PM permalink
It's too bad the videos probably cost some good coin to make. For me, actually seeing the games played really helps me learn better. I've watched the Craps videos numerous times just because I want everything to be second nature. It really helps newbies like me to be comfortable walking up to the table. Even the original Three Card Poker video was something I watched over and over, even though it's the simplest of games.
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wait.. what? WHO?!

who the heck is this new admin???
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:21:43 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Face
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wait.. what? WHO?!

who the heck is this new admin???



what are you talking about. He has been so along with BBB for a few months now.
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:30:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I tried that on this site back in the early days.

Total revenue I made? $0.00.



What about a link to a gaming products site? Cards, chips, dice...all of that stuff?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:40:54 PM permalink
Funny you should mention that...lots of conversations going on in parallel, I think.
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:41:20 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

So, why not advertise Vegas Hotel Casinos and others instead?

Anthony Curtis' Las Vegas Advisor links to every hotel on the Strip, plus shows, airfare and restaurants.

No foreign banks necessary.



Unless you get a straight media buy, the affiliate programs of MGM and sites like Travelocity pay 3-4%. The cookies tend to last only about 2-3 months (so if they go back and get a room 4 months later after their click they are not tracked to you anymore) and you generally only get a share of the first purchase. In other words, you do not retain rev share on these visitors forever. The CPA, when someone actually converts, is going to be about $20+/-.

Perhaps LVA gets media buy ad space. I feel certain that is how LVRJ and other news sites get paid.

The traffic on this site is highly targeted, even if the gamblers are more educated than average, the traffic has value.
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:41:23 PM permalink
WOP

WizardofPorn.com

We calculate your odds of getting some.

enter details here.

Race: Asian
Car: Miata
profession:AP
income: crying after 6k loss
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chances = 0

Click here for WOP DVD
Click here for live sex chat

Suggested pick up line: How Much
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:42:29 PM permalink
I think there might be some financial upside to putting up an archive of las Vegas trip reports. I especially liked cheapovegas's trip reports because they were super funny.
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:55:11 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

WOP

WizardofPorn.com

We calculate your odds of getting some.

enter details here.

Race: Asian
Car: Miata
profession:AP
income: crying after 6k loss
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chances = 0

Click here for WOP DVD
Click here for live sex chat

Suggested pick up line: How Much



Okay, you are now a comedy genius in my book.
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May 15th, 2014 at 6:55:36 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

WOP

WizardofPorn.com

We calculate your odds of getting some.

enter details here.

Race: Asian
Car: Miata
profession:AP
income: crying after 6k loss
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chances = 0

Click here for WOP DVD
Click here for live sex chat

Suggested pick up line: How Much



Do they need actors for live sex shows? I'm overweight, with a small penis, balding with some missing teeth.....Is there a market out there for that??? :)
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:15:06 PM permalink
Quote: Tomspur

Do they need actors for live sex shows? I'm overweight, with a small penis, balding with some missing teeth.....Is there a market out there for that??? :)



You'd be surprised. But then, you've been around the world a few times yourself, so maybe not.
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:19:03 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Okay, you are now a comedy genius in my book.

There should be an app that dose this. have data from real girls preferences. Enter details get answer.
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:20:26 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

There should be an app that dose this. have data from real girls preferences. Enter details get answer.



Where are they going to find girls to be honest about those answers???? I don't think they exist :)
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:27:48 PM permalink
Quote: Tomspur

Where are they going to find girls to be honest about those answers???? I don't think they exist :)

Ask them one at a time.

Would you date a guy that: drives x car. list the cars and have them rate them as to what care they would most likely date a guy if he were driving it driving.

I'm not sure but im sure it could be done.
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:35:19 PM permalink
Word from my Argentinian friend. He laughed. Said my acquaintance would get more fun by burning his money than putting it in an Argentinian bank. Currency re-adjustments are frequent and annoying. He recommended Cayman Islands.

Note: what about links to gambling merchandise site such as that post the other day about a five thousand dollar baccarat watch. ( I think its under betting systems).
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:37:33 PM permalink
I say my chances are pretty high. Women love criers.

I usually pay extra for criers. More if its genuine.
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:50:37 PM permalink
Quote: SkittleCar1

It's too bad the videos probably cost some good coin to make. For me, actually seeing the games played really helps me learn better.



Teach juicejen to host the video and teach games and I bet the view count x10 or more. Gotta have the best image on the splash screen to bring viewers in.

Most likely, just a fact, it will work.

edit - if it appears to get warm and clothing is removed while teaching x 100 views increase. Lots of subscribes.
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:52:47 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Teach juicejen to host the video and teach games and I bet the view count x10 or more. Gotta have the best image on the splash screen to bring viewers in.

Most likely, just a fact, it will work.



A topless dealer could help. No Dan, put your shirt back on !
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:57:36 PM permalink
Once again, a serious topic has degenerated into a dumb joke fest.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, then stay out of it.
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May 15th, 2014 at 8:36:54 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Word from my Argentinian friend. He laughed. Said my acquaintance would get more fun by burning his money than putting it in an Argentinian bank. Currency re-adjustments are frequent and annoying. He recommended Cayman Islands.

Caymans, with their British system, are more than stable than other well-known places like Panama.
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May 15th, 2014 at 8:46:25 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Once again, a serious topic has degenerated into a dumb joke fest.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, then stay out of it.



Then I would never get to post anything NO FAIR
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May 16th, 2014 at 1:48:46 AM permalink
"...The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) will start investing in Cyprus, most likely for a limited period, to help the country overcome transition challenges that have emerged during its severe economic crisis. "

This may 15th announcement may aid Cyprus banking.

"n particular, privatisation and modernisation of public utilities and infrastructure have largely stalled. Standards of governance and supervision in the banking sector need significant improvement.
Although performing well under the Troika programme, the short-term macroeconomic outlook for Cyprus remains challenging. The economy is expected to contract again in 2014. Modest growth is expected to return in 2015, but downside risks are significant. Unemployment is likely to continue rising for some time. "

source: Financial lMirror dot com EBR
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May 16th, 2014 at 2:22:59 AM permalink
(Reuters) - Private-sector deposits in Cypriot banks rose slightly in March, the first monthly increase since November, while deposits in other southern European countries hit by the euro zone debt crisis remained relatively stable, ECB data showed.

Big account holders in Cyprus's two largest lenders were forced to take a hit as part of an international bailout for Cyprus last year and private sector deposits at all banks on the island had been broadly declining since June 2012.

In March, private-sector deposits at Cypriot banks rose by 0.5 percent to 34.6 billion euros ($47.90 billion) from the previous month, European Central Bank data showed on Tuesday. The deposits are about 32 percent below their peak of 50.5 billion euros in May 2012.

Banks in the euro zone member state were shut for nearly two weeks last March after Cyprus agreed a 10-billion-euro bailout under which major depositors had to pay part of the cost of the rescue. Capital controls are still in place, with limits on how much people can transfer from their accounts, although Cyprus is gradually easing the restrictions.
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May 16th, 2014 at 7:44:42 AM permalink
Assuming the text was copy/pasted, is that 7,000 or 70,000 Euros in their email?
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May 16th, 2014 at 7:49:34 AM permalink
Quote: blount2000

Assuming the text was copy/pasted, is that 7,000 or 70,000 Euros in their email?



You're right. I deleted my original post, since it did say 70K. My apologies.
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May 16th, 2014 at 8:57:03 AM permalink
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Then I would never get to post anything NO FAIR


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May 16th, 2014 at 9:02:15 AM permalink
Turn your nonflash game trainer programs into $1.99 apps
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May 16th, 2014 at 9:06:37 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You try to find a foreign bank account, as a US citizen, with less than a million dollars and see what few s**t banks will take your money.

Here in Belgium, local banks are asking Americans to close their accounts. The culprit is the FACTA agreement imposed by the US govt on foreign banks, whose general idea is to work against fraud and fiscal evasion. Banks have to set up so much paperwork and verifications that they lose money on accounts held by American nationals. I know Americans residing in Brussels who are at a loss what to do. One even had a Belgian prête-nom open an account for her.

Now, Cyprus was known as a place of money laundering for Russian millionaires. Not being a financial specialist, I would stick to "normal" "clean reputation" bank systems. (Whatever that means...)

The EU guarantees up to €100,000. Try not to put more in a single country.
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May 16th, 2014 at 9:09:35 AM permalink
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prête-nom

Excellent, had not seen that one before.
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May 16th, 2014 at 9:12:32 AM permalink
About the WoOdds site:
I also am confused with it. The black background is making some things hard to read. I have problems finding what I'm looking for. The result is, I go less often.

But, importantly: I think that if I were to discover it today, I would probably not have sticked and returned. Too bad !

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May 16th, 2014 at 9:13:18 AM permalink
Quote: chickenman

Excellent, had not seen that one before.

Sorry, I don't know the equivalent in English. This is standard in French.

EDIT: My dictionary says "figurehead". I think this is only for people heading a company (which is one of the meanings of prête-nom), but not someone who 'lends' his 'name' like here.
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May 16th, 2014 at 9:18:45 AM permalink
Not exact equivalent (loses something in the translation) might be "agent" and I suppose "figurehead" fits some situations.

But not to be sorry, I come here for entertainment and learning. I am entertained every time, but today learned something :-)
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May 16th, 2014 at 10:20:29 AM permalink
Its not quite figurehead, but more "convenient name" or "available name". Usually used for quick processing without providing documentation. Swiss banks often charge interest rather than pay it, but they are good bankers. Cayman Islands is good but NEVER use corporation in your documentation or legally ANYONE may inspect your records; be sure to use COMPANY in all documentation involving either of the Companies Acts in the Cayman Islands. This goes for anyone who uses a Cayman Islands bank or corporate shell for asset protection too. Often US citizens think they are protecting assets in a cayman islands shell but if they use the word corporation they are "you know where and without that paddle".
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May 16th, 2014 at 10:23:42 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

About the WoOdds site:
I also am confused with it. The black background is making some things hard to read. I have problems finding what I'm looking for. The result is, I go less often..

Yeah I think the dark background is depressingly Goth... and the cutesy script is less readable.
Didn't ever want to tell you that Mr. Wizard, but since you may want to monetize the site a bit of cosmetic improvement might help.
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May 16th, 2014 at 10:28:50 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

About the WoOdds site:
I also am confused with it. The black background is making some things hard to read. I have problems finding what I'm looking for. The result is, I go less often.

But, importantly: I think that if I were to discover it today, I would probably not have sticked and returned. Too bad !

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And went went where to get the information you were looking for? You would have ended right back at the site.
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May 17th, 2014 at 6:07:49 AM permalink
Hi Wizard,

Sorry to hear about your dad. My condolences to you and your family. As for banking internationally, since you are fully disclosing it, I believe you might be able to reflect a loss on your taxes here in the states. That's worth looking into since you had to writedown savings during the banking crisis overseas. Personally, I would have stuck with a major international bank that has brick and mortar both in the states and internationally (JPMorgan, HSBC, etc).

The main thing is to get your money back. Physically going there seems to be an interesting proposal. Showing up at a branch and making an on-demand withdrawal could result in 2 possibilities. You get your money back or they deny you in person. The latter would be horrific. I would first try the ATM and then go to a teller:
https://www.occupycorporatism.com/home/cyprus-banks-end-cash-withdrawal-limits/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/28/cyprus-capital-controls-idUSL5N0MP3GP20140328

Capital restrictions remain in place for all foreign accounts, but should normalize sometime this year. After all, the country was a haven for a lot of foreign money. They're protecting their own citizens first.

Is it possible to cash in equity on the investment properties in the interim? Not exactly the best way to get liquidity....
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May 17th, 2014 at 6:25:57 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

About the WoOdds site:
I also am confused with it. The black background is making some things hard to read. I have problems finding what I'm looking for. The result is, I go less often.

But, importantly: I think that if I were to discover it today, I would probably not have sticked and returned. Too bad !

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Some constructive comments on WoO:

At least on my computer, the opening page has a lot of blank dark gray margin on both sides. Could that space be used more effectively ? I also think it might help to have something in large font on the home page that says something like:

"Welcome to The Wizard of Odds"

or

"Expert Information on Leveling the Playing Field inside a Casino"

or

"Your Free On-line Resource to Learn what the Casino Knows"

or

"Everything you Should Know before Playing in a Casino"

or

"Real Strategies based on Real Math Explained for Real People"

or something like that to help convey why someone new should explore the site further. Are there any reference quotes from a recognizable source that endorse the great information on the site that could be displayed front and center ?
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May 17th, 2014 at 6:38:46 AM permalink
All excellent suggestions though I would focus more on something along the lines of "Giving Yourself The Best Chances in a Casino"
or Information for the Professional and Amateur Gambler.
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May 17th, 2014 at 6:38:47 AM permalink
All excellent suggestions though I would focus more on something along the lines of "Giving Yourself The Best Chances in a Casino"
or Information for the Professional and Amateur Gambler.
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May 17th, 2014 at 8:27:28 AM permalink
Quote: ncfatcat

Moi aussie





Is that French for MY ASS ? If you are insulting me, the least you can do is use English. And I mean real English. Not that cockney stuff Switch uses when complaining about having to visit the colonies !

He's always saying " Are you George ? " What's up with that !
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May 17th, 2014 at 9:46:33 AM permalink
I think its French for "me too".... but then again, you most probably knew that.
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May 17th, 2014 at 12:28:53 PM permalink
I have seen a few people suggest you use or wonder why you were not using a normal bank.

I would guess that since the US is not friendly towards online gambling that It was easier to make Bovada affiliate income transactions smother.
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May 17th, 2014 at 4:24:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Day 16. It just keeps getting worse and worse for me.
......
Meanwhile, my US funds are running dangerously low. If the Bank of Cyprus doesn't make good on my withdrawal soon I will have to seriously consider selling my house and/or my sites. Add to all this that my father died on April 25. I just don't know what I'm going to do.


Really hate to hear this. This site has many loyal fans and followers, and I'd speculate that the majority would be willing to pay a modest monthly subscription rate, which would generate thousands in monthly revenue. How risky would that be in terms of maintaining advertisers?
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May 17th, 2014 at 5:59:46 PM permalink
Things are looking a little better on the Cyprus front. Of course, I won't believe anything until the money is in one of my US accounts, but the guy there said I could put in a wire request for most of my money. Now let's just hope they honor it.

Quote: Lucky

Really hate to hear this. This site has many loyal fans and followers, and I'd speculate that the majority would be willing to pay a modest monthly subscription rate, which would generate thousands in monthly revenue. How risky would that be in terms of maintaining advertisers?



I've thought about doing something like what VideoPoker.com does, where they have ads you're forced to watch unless you buy a premium membership. I would also try to think of some other stuff extra stuff I could give the VIP members, but I'm not sure what.

If I get get the Cyprus money in the next 30 days I should be okay to buy more time to get advertising revenue up. There are plenty of sites much worse that min, in my opinion, that make much more money. My problem is monetizing the traffic.
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May 17th, 2014 at 6:11:56 PM permalink
We could be in the same situation if American banks have failed. We got a massive debt, but, at least, our banks have been saved.
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May 17th, 2014 at 6:44:56 PM permalink
I recall Next Shot.. a site about craps by The Boneman.... then his daughter took it over and allowed adds in the margin... undoubtedly increased revenue markedly.

Same content. Just lots of hotel and casino adds about an inch square.
AcesAndEights
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May 17th, 2014 at 10:41:57 PM permalink
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Things are looking a little better on the Cyprus front. Of course, I won't believe anything until the money is in one of my US accounts, but the guy there said I could put in a wire request for most of my money. Now let's just hope they honor it.


Good to hear. Nothing is more frustrating than honest people who work hard getting screwed for XYZ reason (usually getting back to the government...but I digress).

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I've thought about doing something like what VideoPoker.com does, where they have ads you're forced to watch unless you buy a premium membership. I would also try to think of some other stuff extra stuff I could give the VIP members, but I'm not sure what.


This sound like a pretty good idea. I would worry about getting quality impressions/clicks in the non-VIP section, but I guess there are probably a lot of cheap folks out there!
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May 18th, 2014 at 1:40:38 AM permalink
Paid subscription for a forum of advantage plays you post up such as half point parlays, bingo, etc. I feel you should be compensated for analyzing stuff.
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