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February 19th, 2014 at 9:04:08 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

Can you be serious about being agnostic or does the very definition of being agnostic make it impossible to be serious about it?



You'd have to show me a definition of agnostic that can't be taken seriously. I seriously consider myself to be agnostic in acknowledging the existence of a Higher Power/God without accepting the tenets of any organized religion. And I know quite a few people who are of a similar mind.
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February 19th, 2014 at 9:21:12 AM permalink
Is agnostic the religion of cowards ? Just asking, not starting trouble. I would never do that !
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February 19th, 2014 at 9:37:05 AM permalink
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Is agnostic the religion of cowards ? Just asking, not starting trouble. I would never do that !



I would say agnostic is the religion of those who are not afraid to think for themselves. Rene Descartes (Cogito ergo sum), and all that.
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February 19th, 2014 at 10:37:39 AM permalink
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NO! that's an involuntary compliment for your better insight than his.
I would be outraged if anyone called me anything other than atheist.



It is impossible to be an atheist. That would mean you are an all knowing being, one that knows that there is no all knowing being existing in the universe.
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February 19th, 2014 at 10:50:02 AM permalink
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NO! that's an involuntary compliment for your better insight than his.
I would be outraged if anyone called me anything other than atheist.



It is impossible to be an atheist. That would mean you are an all knowing being, one that knows that there is no all knowing being existing in the universe.



Atheists reject the idea of a deity. You accept the idea of a deity. Neither knows, but we believe. Same is same.
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February 19th, 2014 at 11:17:18 AM permalink
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NO! that's an involuntary compliment for your better insight than his.
I would be outraged if anyone called me anything other than atheist.



It is impossible to be an atheist. That would mean you are an all knowing being, one that knows that there is no all knowing being existing in the universe.



Atheists reject the idea of a deity. You accept the idea of a deity. Neither knows, but we believe. Same is same.



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February 19th, 2014 at 11:22:33 AM permalink
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The real miracles are changed lives. Ask Lennie's father, a few pages back. (If possible)



Like a lost boy falling victim to every drug imaginable, broke, strung out, nearly homeless, totally helpless, on the cusp of death, somehow finding his way back to become an upstanding individual, loving father, and model employee? Like that type of changed life?
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February 19th, 2014 at 11:24:04 AM permalink
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Like a lost boy falling victim to every drug imaginable, broke, strung out, nearly homeless, totally helpless, on the cusp of death, somehow finding his way back to become an upstanding individual, loving father, and model employee? Like that type of changed life?




It's a miracle for sure. But I give credit to the man that boy became, not any GOD !
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February 19th, 2014 at 11:27:55 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

Can you be serious about being agnostic or does the very definition of being agnostic make it impossible to be serious about it?



Agnostics do not believe one way or another whether a god or gods exists. However, having that stance can certainly be held strongly.

Agnostics strike me as those "on the fence". That's not a put down, rather, it seems a very logical position to hold. The evidence both for and against a god or gods can certainly look shaky at times, so why cast all your eggs into one or another uncertain basket? You can very strongly say "I don't know" and wish to not be pushed one way or the other.
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February 19th, 2014 at 11:30:18 AM permalink
' so why cast all your eggs into one or another uncertain basket?"

Should not the last word in that sentence start with the letter C ?
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