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EvenBob
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December 8th, 2011 at 8:30:40 PM permalink
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as the Mother of God. .



Padre, doesn't the phrase Mother of God strike
you as a bit of an oxymoron? Given the definition
of god, how can he have a mother.

"something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements"
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FrGamble
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December 8th, 2011 at 9:26:02 PM permalink
When we speak of Mary as "Mother of God" we are not speaking of her as the source of the divine nature of Jesus Christ. My mother was not the source of my immortal soul, nor was she simply the mother of my body, she is the mother of my person. Mary is the mother of Jesus who is the second person of the Most Holy Trinity who took on human flesh in the Incarnation. Again while she is rightfully called the Mother of God she is not the source of the divinity of Jesus nor the begining of the Word of God, who has always existed and took flesh in the Virgin Mary. The best place to read about this is the very beginning of John's Gospel (especially 1:14).
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December 8th, 2011 at 9:41:15 PM permalink
Mary is the mother of Jesus, thats all. She's not the mother
of god, thats an over the top description to impress the
dumbell peanut gallery of the past. If the Church expects
to exist at all 100 years from now, they need to dump 75%
of the whimsical whistles and bells they dreamed up over the
last thousand years. Its all quaint and colorful, but its lost
it meaning and impact now that the village idiot congregation of
old has been replaced.
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December 19th, 2011 at 9:27:22 AM permalink
As the world gets ready to celebrate Christmas this Sunday it strikes me how amazing and unique it is that even after thousands of years the celebration of the Lord's Birth has such an impact on the world. I was thinking how sad it was that the anniversary of Pearl Harbor passed this month with hardly a mention. How quickly we seem to forget historical events, even those of great significance. Yet the birth of Christ is very different.

It reminds me that this Sunday we do not simply celebrate a dead fact of history, long over and losing importance year after year to a new generation. On Christmas we celebrate a living person whose significance at His birth is almost too awesome to imagine or comprehend and who continues to be just as important and alive to the world 2,011 years later. Blessings to everyone this holiday season!
EvenBob
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December 19th, 2011 at 11:30:06 AM permalink
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and alive to the world 2,011 years later.



And yet the early church thought Jesus was coming
back in their time, as has every generation since. Is
it time yet to realize the truth, or shall we give it another
2000 years.
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December 19th, 2011 at 1:13:45 PM permalink
I thought Christ was born in 6 BC (or BCE as seems to be the norm these days). Makes it 2017 years. Of course, he probably wasn't born as mid-winter either.
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December 19th, 2011 at 1:32:11 PM permalink
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On Christmas we celebrate a living person whose significance at His birth is almost too awesome to imagine or comprehend ....



Holidays are rarely about what they celebrate, but rather about how they're celebrated. If you sell Xmas as a time of joy, family, friends, and of course rampant consumerism, you shouldn't be surprised people are enthusiastic about it.

You may be celebrating Jesus or whatever, but most Christians, even many observant ones, are celebrating the winter break, time off from work or study, time with family, an elaborate dinner and, anturally, giving and receiving presents.

How many Christians bother to observe Easter?


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Blessings to everyone this holiday season!



Thank you. May you have a Feliz Navidad, too.
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EvenBob
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December 19th, 2011 at 3:03:36 PM permalink
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Of course, he probably wasn't born as mid-winter either.



He was probably born in the spring or summer. The early
church made it December 25th because that was time
of the ancient pagan Yuletide winter celebration held in late
Dec into early Jan. The church couldn't compete with it,
so they stole it. Steal somebody elses holiday, make it your
own, and eventually everybody forgets what the original
holiday was. They did the same thing with Easter.
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December 19th, 2011 at 4:18:48 PM permalink
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He was probably born in the spring or summer. The early
church made it December 25th because that was time
of the ancient pagan Yuletide winter celebration held in late
Dec.



The timing of Christmas has everything to do with the winter solstice. The solstice is the time when the days begin to get a little longer and gradually more and more light enters into the world. The early Church baptized this celebration because it fit perfectly the coming of the "Light of the World" as a little baby. Gradually the light becomes more and more noticeable and brightens the world just like Jesus who comes to us in humility as a little child and gradually brightens the world as we come to know Him.
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December 19th, 2011 at 4:30:18 PM permalink
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The early Church baptized this celebration because it fit perfectly the coming of the "Light of the World" as a little baby..



Nice story, too bad its not true. The early church was in direct
competition with long held pagan beliefs. The Yule celebration
was the grandaddy of all their yearly celebrations, so the church
co-opted it as their own. When you can't fight them, join them.

They did something very similar very recently. The church fought
the VooDoo religion tooth and nail for decades. When they realized
in the 50's they couldn't beat them, they instead accepted them
and some of their traditions. Thats always been a hallmark of
the Catholic Church. First they fight, and censor, and try and
destroy what they don't like or believe in. When that fails, they
accept it and absorb what was once the enemy. Thats why they're
still around, they eventually bend their rigid ways to fit what
the present accepts. But they always go kicking and screaming,
thats the entertaining part..
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