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chickenman
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May 3rd, 2014 at 6:03:33 AM permalink
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it will certainly be a loss to the site when you go.


Amen
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May 3rd, 2014 at 7:09:28 AM permalink
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Hey everybody I have been two busy to really post much at all here or at Diversity Tomorrow and that is part of the reason that I'm saying goodbye to the Wizard of Vegas Forum. At the same time I will continue to say hello and post over at DT. It's been over a year since I've gambled and its magic charm of figuring out the odds and strategy have waned. That along with my spiritual director helping me to see that gambling is maybe not the best hobby to be associated with a priest. It is not that gambling is inherently evil, it is not as the Catechism of the Church makes clear, but many people are hurt by an addiction to it (including some parishioners) and in solidarity with them I'd like to remove myself from a forum so directly attached to gambling. I thank God for the Wizard and for his other site Diversity Tomorrow because it gives me an opportunity to continue to discuss things like religion with a eclectic wonderful group of people such as yourselves. Thanks for everything and maybe I'll see you over at DT some time. God Bless!

Will you be asking The Wizard if can make an exception so you can change your handle?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 3rd, 2014 at 10:40:45 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Hey everybody I have been two busy to really post much at all here or at Diversity Tomorrow and that is part of the reason that I'm saying goodbye to the Wizard of Vegas Forum. At the same time I will continue to say hello and post over at DT. It's been over a year since I've gambled and its magic charm of figuring out the odds and strategy have waned. That along with my spiritual director helping me to see that gambling is maybe not the best hobby to be associated with a priest. It is not that gambling is inherently evil, it is not as the Catechism of the Church makes clear, but many people are hurt by an addiction to it (including some parishioners) and in solidarity with them I'd like to remove myself from a forum so directly attached to gambling. I thank God for the Wizard and for his other site Diversity Tomorrow because it gives me an opportunity to continue to discuss things like religion with a eclectic wonderful group of people such as yourselves. Thanks for everything and maybe I'll see you over at DT some time. God Bless!



Darn it. I never got to ask what you thought of the Holy Roller blackjack team. Perhaps you can answer at DT for your 200th post.
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May 3rd, 2014 at 10:42:36 AM permalink
I saw an example of "mission completed" by a couple of Mormon missionaries, in my neighborhood no less.

A lady who came here from China was arrested for allegedly throwing an apple at her husband; he is by report an abusive POS who lied his way out of an arrest and pinned it on her due to her limited ability to speak English; she was immediately ordered out of her home, lost her job due to the charge, was destitute, and lived initially in a shelter, stunned, depressed, and in abject misery.

A friend arranged temporary shelter in my neighborhood, at a kind-hearted soul's home; two Mormons came knocking on day, they talked to the Chinese lady, and now she is moving into the home of a Mormon lady.

She told me, in her halting English, that she is genuinely impressed with the kindness of the Mormon parishoners who approached her at church services and during her other contacts with them: that is the deciding factor.

She cares not a whit about the rather, ahem, "unusual" religious notions of the Mormons; for her it is all about how the people are so nice, and make her feel welcome and wanted.

Another successful missionary story.
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May 3rd, 2014 at 11:15:37 AM permalink
All gambling is a sin. a special exception has been made by the Pope for BINGO
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May 3rd, 2014 at 1:00:27 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I saw an example of "mission completed" by a couple of Mormon missionaries...



We can say all we want about their beliefs, but every single Mormon I've ever met has been very nice. Wonderful people.
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May 3rd, 2014 at 3:17:57 PM permalink
I agree.

Good folk.

And hell, if it wasn't for the Mormons setting up a bank in town and lending to the wise guys when nobody else would, Las Vegas wouldn't be what it is today.

For that matter, neither would Steve Wynn.
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May 4th, 2014 at 8:02:49 AM permalink
FrG,

You will be missed here. I think you should stay, but it's not up to me.
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May 4th, 2014 at 9:13:12 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Hey everybody I have been two busy to really post much at all here or at Diversity Tomorrow and that is part of the reason that I'm saying goodbye to the Wizard of Vegas Forum. At the same time I will continue to say hello and post over at DT. It's been over a year since I've gambled and its magic charm of figuring out the odds and strategy have waned. That along with my spiritual director helping me to see that gambling is maybe not the best hobby to be associated with a priest. It is not that gambling is inherently evil, it is not as the Catechism of the Church makes clear, but many people are hurt by an addiction to it (including some parishioners) and in solidarity with them I'd like to remove myself from a forum so directly attached to gambling. I thank God for the Wizard and for his other site Diversity Tomorrow because it gives me an opportunity to continue to discuss things like religion with a eclectic wonderful group of people such as yourselves. Thanks for everything and maybe I'll see you over at DT some time. God Bless!



Well, you will certainly be missed. Often your posts are wrong (ie, differ from my views) but at least they are interesting and thought provoking and often well researched.

I do not think it wrong for a priest to have an interest in boxing or in firearms or anything else. If a church claims to be a welcoming institution then it should indeed welcome a priest who has an academic interest in calculating odds just as it would welcome a priest who specializes in the baking of breads or fruitcakes or a priest who has an interest in investments rather than just his vestments.

A priest who is successful at getting teenagers off the streets and out of the pool halls might be viewed by his church as successful, but he is more likely to achieve that success if he actually knows something about music, dancing and playing pool. If all a priest knows is how to read Latin and mumble lengthy sermons it is unlikely he will be viewed as successful. If he knows how to dance, how to box, how to shoot pool or how to shoot craps he will find those skills make him helpful to the church. A priest who walks into a pool hall will be respected and allowed to deliver a brief sermon, but a priest who walks into a pool hall and chalks up a cue stick will be allowed to deliver a more lengthy sermon and the pool players will actually listen to him when he does it, for they will respect not only the cloth but also his skill with a cue stick and will consider him to be a part of the real world rather than a part of something that is aloof and separate from real people.
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May 4th, 2014 at 9:37:15 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

And hell, if it wasn't for the Mormons setting up a bank in town and lending to the wise guys when nobody else would, Las Vegas wouldn't be what it is today.

The Mormons played a role in financing Las Vegas but I think the mob simply preferred it that way, they didn't really need it that way.

The primary role of the Mormons in Las Vegas was their honesty. They did not gamble but could work in a casino. The mob loved having Mormons in the cashier's cage or at the dealers tables.

Alot of those well-endowed Blackjack dealers grew up in Salt Lake City where playing cards were referred to as The Devil's Portraits and not a single deck of cards was ever in their homes much less in their hands. Its a rather major transformation for a Mormon girl to go to Las Vegas where the focus in on cards, chips and cleavage. They are liked by the casinos because they generally cling to their values and therefore work diligently and don't steal chips.

Of course none of this means the US did not have to fight the Mormon wars or that the expedition that was led into the Mountain Meadows encampment was not led into a trap. When the settlers dressed the two youngest girls all in white and sent them out with a water pail, the Utah Territorial Militia (100 percent Mormon) not only opened fire on them but undoubtedly gut-shot them on purpose, rather than by accident. Having two young girls lying in the hot sun dying slowly as the settlers in the encampment grew more and more dehydrated in the hot sun does not give much credit to the Mormon church, nor does the slaughter that took place when the leader of the Territorial Militia later cried out "Do Your Duty!" and the Mormon Militiamen all shot the disarmed settlers they were escorting.

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