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rxwine
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October 25th, 2011 at 12:49:21 AM permalink
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And today Jesus is the central figure of the human race



Proselytizing is annoying but effective. Stuff and ideas have spread the world round through sales techniques.

Plenty of people have bought crap they never knew they needed or wanted because of salespeople.
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October 25th, 2011 at 3:48:40 AM permalink
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Christianity, Judaism, Islam ... bah, a pox upon all their houses!

Were that people all believed in nothing ... ah, what a world that would be.

Don't exclude those wacky Mormons with their God, Elohim from the planet Kolob.
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October 25th, 2011 at 6:50:18 AM permalink
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Don't exclude those wacky Mormons with their God, Elohim from the planet Kolob.


And can't forget Xenu, who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Tell me, Father, many otherwise rational people believe in the Church of Scientology紡re they misguided? Is Scientology a legit religion or a wildly profitable global scam? Their stories are no less wacky than any other religion's, when first viewed objectively. In 2000 years, will the people believe Xenu actually existed simple because the stories were written down?
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boymimbo
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October 25th, 2011 at 6:56:10 AM permalink
If you look at religion as a community institution, it does pretty well. Most Christian churches do very positive things for the community and have outreach programs that send people to impoverished areas of the world to spread the word of God (lightly) and help rebuild a community, provide food, school, etc (heavily). And yes, there are many bad eggs in the flock, and I think the Catholic church was absoultely terrible in its coverup of its scandals.

My view is that religion is very personal. I don't have any desire to convince anyone to believe what I think, as I have no valid basis for my argument, which is based on faith alone. I can't believe for a minute that one religion is right. If God does indeed exist, I believe that there has to be multiple paths to heaven. What bothers me about this is that stories are contradictory in nature. In the end, the point of all of the texts is to tell you how to live life so that you can have an afterlife.

When I read the text above, it seems very Santa-Clausish to me. Yet, for some reason, I can't believe that the 43+ years I have on this planet and the n years I have left is all that there is to my existence. To say that humans are special however, denies the same afterlife existence to other species in this universe. Do dolphins have heaven? Do cats and dogs? Cows? Primates? What about intelligent life forms on other planets? Or maybe perhaps we are unique in this universe and God did indeed create us (allow us to evolve) in His image.

My point is that I've kept my mind open to all possibilities, and at this point, I haven't seen any evidence disproving God to date.
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October 25th, 2011 at 7:12:43 AM permalink
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My point is that I've kept my mind open to all possibilities, and at this point, I haven't seen any evidence disproving God to date.



I haven't seen any evidence disproving Rah, either. Or Tlaloc, or Thor, or the Great Maker.

Which leads me back to my eternal complaint: have you seen any evidence proving god?
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October 25th, 2011 at 7:37:20 AM permalink
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Tell me, Father, many otherwise rational people believe in the Church of Scientology紡re they misguided? Is Scientology a legit religion or a wildly profitable global scam? Their stories are no less wacky than any other religion's, when first viewed objectively. In 2000 years, will the people believe Xenu actually existed simple because the stories were written down?



I don't think it is my place to judge if Scientology is misguided or not. What I will say is that I think it is always good for people to think about the big questions in life and all different types of religion help us to do that. I used this analogy on another thread but I believe that there are many paths towards God, some are a bit more meandering and strange than others, I believe the one my faith tradition presents is the surest and safest way for obvious reasons. I even believe that those who don't believe but seriously think with an open mind about these big issues such as "why am I here?" and "what happens when I die?" are on a path towards God. It's the ones who aren't walking down any path, life's indifferent couch potatoes, that I am really worried about.

Will people believe in Xenu simply because it was written down? Maybe some will, most won't. I am thinking of the stock market. Investing seems very self regulating to me. If someone finds value in a company they invest in them, if not they trade it away. There might be a boom for a moment but time will tell if the company can stick around a while. There is no more secure investment than in Christianity. There is something obviously very different about it than every other religion in its appeal to the world, its stability, and the value that billions of people receive from it that leads to their investment. Call me for a prospectus.
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October 25th, 2011 at 7:42:39 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I haven't seen any evidence disproving Rah, either. Or Tlaloc, or Thor, or the Great Maker.

Which leads me back to my eternal complaint: have you seen any evidence proving god?



No. Your complaint is valid.
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October 25th, 2011 at 7:46:06 AM permalink
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these big issues such as "why am I here?" and "what happens when I die?" are on a path towards God. It's the ones who aren't walking down any path, life's indifferent couch potatoes, that I am really worried about.



As to "why" you are here: better you should ask "What should I do with the time alotted to me on earth?"

The only "meaning" we have to our lives is that which we ascribe to ourselves.

Hey, just because we have consciousness, that doesn't somehow make us better than an amoeba or a blade of grass.
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Nareed
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October 25th, 2011 at 7:56:59 AM permalink
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I don't think it is my place to judge if Scientology is misguided or not.



Let me, then. Scientology was started by a science fiction writer named L. Ron Hubbard. In the beginning it was a form of psychotherapy Mr. Hubbard intended to market and make money off. But such things are overseen and regulated by governments all voer the world, not to mention professional associations. They're also liable for taxes on income. Religions, now, are unregulated almost worldwide, and in many countries theya re automatically tax-exempt.

Do the math, as the expression has it: 1) fantastic story made up by a professional writer who dreams up strange worlds and aliens for a living, 2) a form of psychotherapy that woulnd't stand up to scrutiny, 3) let's make it a religion instead.

You may draw your own conclusions, of course, but I think it's pretty clear, isn't it?

BTW if a religion can catch on, today, when the public record makes its origins perfectly clear, how much easier would it have been in the past when communications weren't as good, records weren't as reliable, and a band of determined, and devoted, followers organized to spread a message?


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It's the ones who aren't walking down any path, life's indifferent couch potatoes, that I am really worried about.



What do you think of indifferent couch potatoes who accept your faith merely because they were raised in it, but blindly follow because they lack the interest or the will to even ask questions?
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October 25th, 2011 at 8:17:59 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

It does my heart good to hear you using this argument for the existence of Abe Lincoln, because this is what I was trying to demonstrate in concern to the existence of God and more specifically Jesus Christ in many previous posts.

As someone who was raised in a somewhat religious Jewish family, we were taught that there indeed was a man 2,000 years ago named Jesus, who was many of the things people say about him: Intelligent, religious, philosopher, teacher, etc.

He may have even been a prophet.

But when that prophecy gets elevated to make Jesus a messiah or outright deity, that's where many people draw the line and fail to make the leap, and even question the prophecy.

Pardon the expression, or maybe this is the absolutly correct expression to apply, but making that connection requires...
a leap of faith.

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It is no surprise that the stories/gospel have spread. The story is both compelling and controversial, and people love a good controversy. But the mere spread and survival of the story is no greater miracle than the survival of the stories Homer wrote, centuries earlier.
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