ShepherdDon
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December 1st, 2011 at 6:26:24 AM permalink
Here's a recently published report on Southland Park in West Memphis:



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December 1st, 2011 at 6:49:58 AM permalink
bad link I think. Knowing yahoo, you are probably trying make a link to something that you yourself have to be signed into from your account.
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December 2nd, 2011 at 5:42:39 AM permalink
I see what you mean. I couldn't link using it. I edited it and redid the link. Still didn't work. I cut it and pasted it into the address line and it worked fine. I'll put it again here and try it.


Cutting and pasting does work, however.

Sorry for the problem.

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Addendum: I just went and looked at some of the other posts I've made and the links aren't working in them, either??????
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December 2nd, 2011 at 11:06:19 AM permalink
Quote: The cited article

In the center of the casino are 10 blackjack tables where dealers actively deal the game.


That sentence certainly sounds as if live dealers are actually dealing cards. I didn't think that was allowed in Arkansas. What is the real situation there?
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December 2nd, 2011 at 1:49:53 PM permalink
Quote: ShepherdDon

I just went and looked at some of the other posts I've made and the links aren't working in them, either??????



If you mean they are good links but you want them to hyperlink, at the bottom of the box where you are composing your post there is a link for formatting codes. If you don't quite 'get it' you can hit the 'quote' icon and see how I did it with yours.

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Quote: Doc

That sentence certainly sounds as if live dealers are actually dealing cards. I didn't think that was allowed in Arkansas. What is the real situation there?



I also am quite surprised.
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December 4th, 2011 at 12:04:28 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

That sentence certainly sounds as if live dealers are actually dealing cards. I didn't think that was allowed in Arkansas. What is the real situation there?



I am down in Tunica now, but won't make it out that way... but when I was there in the past they have electronic tables, but unlike Indiana Live! or even the iTables, the dealers pay out in cheques and hit buttons for the player to make the decisions. Of course, they don't have to hit for their own hand, the computer does that.

While "actively" may be a bit of misnomer, they do more than the dealers on the iTables (IMHO) and those silly eTables in Indiana.
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January 24th, 2012 at 7:39:11 PM permalink
Reviving this thread to ask whether anyone else has seen this casino lately. Here is a quote from their web site:

Quote: Southland Park Web site (www.southlandgreyhound.com)

Southland Park Gaming and Racing has some of the most exciting table game action you'll find anywhere! Blackjack tables staffed with the friendliest dealers around open at 10am every day for your gaming pleasure! In addition to these action-packed options, enthusiasts will also be happy to roll the dice at our fun-filled craps games and take a spin at our roulette games igniting the floor on a daily basis! Combine all this with our Let it Ride and 3-Card Poker gaming options, and all your gaming desires are exactly where you want them.


So can anyone tell me whether the "roll the dice at our fun-filled craps games" means players take turns rolling two genuine cubes down a table, or are they just watching a video display and dreaming about the real thing? The promos on the site also refer to "real cards"; does that mean physical pieces of paper/plastic that get distributed on a felt or "real" images on a screen?

If these descriptions are genuine rather than totally misleading, has the law changed dramatically in Arkansas?

I have tentative plans to make a loop trip around Louisiana some time in February to visit the almost-a-dozen casinos (with table games) I haven't yet been to there (and collect my souvenir chips), and I'm trying to decide whether to take a route home via Memphis to check out Southland Park. The direct route from Shreveport to Charlotte would take me through Atlanta, but Memphis would not be an outrageous detour, provided there is something of interest there.
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January 25th, 2012 at 6:20:34 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

So can anyone tell me whether the "roll the dice at our fun-filled craps games" means players take turns rolling two genuine cubes down a table, or are they just watching a video display and dreaming about the real thing? The promos on the site also refer to "real cards"; does that mean physical pieces of paper/plastic that get distributed on a felt or "real" images on a screen?

If these descriptions are genuine rather than totally misleading, has the law changed dramatically in Arkansas?

I have tentative plans to make a loop trip around Louisiana some time in February to visit the almost-a-dozen casinos (with table games) I haven't yet been to there (and collect my souvenir chips), and I'm trying to decide whether to take a route home via Memphis to check out Southland Park. The direct route from Shreveport to Charlotte would take me through Atlanta, but Memphis would not be an outrageous detour, provided there is something of interest there.



I agree it is quite a mystery about the table games at this place. One place in Arkansas gets to have them? Even if some kind of video play that somehow still fits the description, this might be a response to the competition from Tunica. You would do us a service if you checked it out and report back! My guess is the place stinks, but you could just head over to Tunica, less than an hour away according to google maps.
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January 25th, 2012 at 7:18:42 AM permalink
Oaklawn's website is a bit more specific - real dealers, real chips, video cards. It's probably safe to assume that Southland Park has the same set-up.
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January 25th, 2012 at 9:42:37 AM permalink
I have played the live-dealer, chips, and video-image-cards version of blackjack at Harrah's Cherokee. Once, and I don't plan to return. The more I look into this, the more I suspect that there are no "real" cards, player-rolled dice, or roulette wheels at Southland Park, no matter how real their ads and web site may claim these are. Same for their "poker room." I'm not a poker player, but its hard to imagine that poker enthusiasts would get very excited playing a Texas Hold-em cash game or tournament with their cards showing on a video screen. Or do they?

odious: I have been to the Tunica casinos a number of times, and it is possible that I would stop there again on my upcoming trip, but I don't have definite plans for that. When I have been in the Tunica area, I have seen billboards advertising Southland Park and promoting it as closer and more convenient to the Memphis area than Tunica is. If I do get to Southland Park, I will certainly let folks here know what I find, but I was hoping someone in this forum had been there recently enough to say what's real and what's a ruse so that I could plan the trip a little better in advance.
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January 25th, 2012 at 9:54:07 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

I have played the live-dealer, chips, and video-image-cards version of blackjack at Harrah's Cherokee. Once, and I don't plan to return. The more I look into this, the more I suspect that there are no "real" cards, player-rolled dice, or roulette wheels at Southland Park, no matter how real their ads and web site may claim these are. Same for their "poker room." I'm not a poker player, but its hard to imagine that poker enthusiasts would get very excited playing a Texas Hold-em cash game or tournament with their cards showing on a video screen. Or do they?



I just looked at the website, and the advertising indicates they are using the iTables, which DO use real cards, but eliminate the chips and any dealer mistakes. However, I get the impression they still have the electronic 3CP and LIR tables, and the craps and roulette games are not live.

As far as the poker room, I find the PokerPro tables to be a pain. If that's the ONLY option, then they're fine, but I find the rakes are too high for not providing cards, dealers, etc. There should be a MAX $3 rake on the tables. I've seen the rake be as high as $5, taken to the quarter. That's simply too high, and I know it costs to operate the machines, but it's still too high for me. Southland probably has a hard time maintaining the games. The only casinos that do well with PokerPro are ones that have ZERO competition, like Indiana Live! near Indianapolis. Even then, they still have the Southern IN casinos to compete with.
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January 25th, 2012 at 9:59:54 AM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

As far as the poker room, I find the PokerPro tables to be a pain. If that's the ONLY option, then they're fine, but I find the rakes are too high for not providing cards, dealers, etc. There should be a MAX $3 rake on the tables. I've seen the rake be as high as $5, taken to the quarter. That's simply too high, and I know it costs to operate the machines, but it's still too high for me. Southland probably has a hard time maintaining the games. The only casinos that do well with PokerPro are ones that have ZERO competition, like Indiana Live! near Indianapolis. Even then, they still have the Southern IN casinos to compete with.

Don't you factor in not having to tip the dealers? That adds up.
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January 25th, 2012 at 10:00:36 AM permalink
trying to find more info, I came across an odd review. Google user reviews are good to look for, but there is only one that for mysterious reasons is truncated.

The place seems to have quite a history acc to the review: "Begun in 1956, Southland was once the number one dog track in the United States. It was the only gambling site in the Mid-South and drew people from as far {it finishes "from as far as Chicago", it links to wikipedia.}
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January 25th, 2012 at 10:05:36 AM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

... they are using the iTables, which DO use real cards, but eliminate the chips and ....

Thanks for the (partial) clarification. But if they don't use chips, why does their web site have such prominent images of chips, with a Southland Park sticker on them? It all seems like an attempt to deceive. If you operate a slot parlor and that's all that's legal, why not just say that you operate a slot parlor?
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January 25th, 2012 at 10:10:31 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

Thanks for the (partial) clarification. But if they don't use chips, why does their web site have such prominent images of chips, with a Southland Park sticker on them? It all seems like an attempt to deceive. If you operate a slot parlor and that's all that's legal, why not just say that you operate a slot parlor?



Well, they do (or did) use chips on their old BJ tables, when they didn't have cards. I'm not sure why they couldn't have both, but I know the iTables is a patented system that uses cards but no chips. The old system had a dealer pressing buttons and paying out in chips, so they do have chips. At the time, they ONLY offered BJ tables. My guess is they got some electronic versions of other games approved. The old law stated there must be a decision made to be offered; that's why they had lock and roll slots.

To be honest, I haven't been there since 2008, but the wording of using iTables means they are using actual cards.
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January 25th, 2012 at 2:49:29 PM permalink
By the way, I forgot the iTables actually have chips on them. That's how they pay the players after they choose to get up. So I guess they could use the chips for that.
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January 29th, 2012 at 12:44:22 PM permalink
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January 29th, 2012 at 1:13:42 PM permalink
Thanks for all of the feedback. For my February trip, it turns out that I will not make it to the Memphis area. After looping Louisiana, I plan to head from Shreveport to Florida to join some friends for a couple of days on the beach. I expect to be back to Tunica, probably sometime in 2012, so I can check out Southland Park then, if I decide it is worthwhile.

Since a key objective of my Louisiana trip is to add to my collection of souvenir chips, I suppose this is a suitable place to ask whether I might be overlooking any appropriate casinos in my plans. I already have chips from Boomtown, Harrah's, and Treasure Chest in the New Orleans area. My plans for this trip include visits to Amelia Belle, Cypress Bayou, Belle of Baton Rouge, Hollywood Baton Rouge, Isle of Capri Westlake, L'Auberge du Lac, Coushatta, Paragon, 2 in Shreveport (Sam's Town and Eldorado) and 3 across the river in Bossier City (Horseshoe, Boomtown, and Diamond Jacks.)

Does anyone know of other Louisiana casinos with table games and chips? I would hate to drive all that way and get home to find out I had missed something I should have checked out. There seem to be a lot of slot parlors in Louisiana, but I haven't been able to identify other places there operating table games.

While planning this trip, I stumbled across the info that Horizon Casino in Vicksburg has been renamed Grand Station Casino, so I plan to stop by there on my way back east to pick up a chip with the new name. Don't know how I had missed out on that change. I still have on my list to keep an eye out for a possible opening some day of the Sportsman Casino in Tunica and the Grand Soleil in Natchez.
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January 29th, 2012 at 5:37:40 PM permalink
If you are driving back through MS you should check out Bok Homa, the new Indian casino affiliated with the Silver Star/Golden Moon people.

Edit: Never mind, they don't have table games.
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January 29th, 2012 at 6:16:52 PM permalink
Thanks for the (retracted) suggestion, teddys. I picked up a Silver Star chip when I passed through Pearl River one weekday a couple of years ago, but Golden Moon was closed (open on weekends only). Then they removed the table games from Golden Moon before I had a chance to go back, so I never got one of those chips. I had not heard of Bok Homa, but then there are a lot of slot parlors I don't know about.
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January 29th, 2012 at 9:24:53 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Thanks for all of the feedback. For my February trip, it turns out that I will not make it to the Memphis area. After looping Louisiana, I plan to head from Shreveport to Florida to join some friends for a couple of days on the beach. I expect to be back to Tunica, probably sometime in 2012, so I can check out Southland Park then, if I decide it is worthwhile.

Since a key objective of my Louisiana trip is to add to my collection of souvenir chips, I suppose this is a suitable place to ask whether I might be overlooking any appropriate casinos in my plans. I already have chips from Boomtown, Harrah's, and Treasure Chest in the New Orleans area. My plans for this trip include visits to Amelia Belle, Cypress Bayou, Belle of Baton Rouge, Hollywood Baton Rouge, Isle of Capri Westlake, L'Auberge du Lac, Coushatta, Paragon, 2 in Shreveport (Sam's Town and Eldorado) and 3 across the river in Bossier City (Horseshoe, Boomtown, and Diamond Jacks.)

Does anyone know of other Louisiana casinos with table games and chips? I would hate to drive all that way and get home to find out I had missed something I should have checked out. There seem to be a lot of slot parlors in Louisiana, but I haven't been able to identify other places there operating table games.

While planning this trip, I stumbled across the info that Horizon Casino in Vicksburg has been renamed Grand Station Casino, so I plan to stop by there on my way back east to pick up a chip with the new name. Don't know how I had missed out on that change. I still have on my list to keep an eye out for a possible opening some day of the Sportsman Casino in Tunica and the Grand Soleil in Natchez.





I can confirm your count of LA casinos with table games. There's a L'auberge property being built in Baton Rouge (opening late summerish), so you'll have to swing in to get that chip later.
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January 30th, 2012 at 7:33:55 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I can confirm your count of LA casinos with table games. There's a L'auberge property being built in Baton Rouge (opening late summerish), so you'll have to swing in to get that chip later.

Aaaccck!!! You mean I'll have to drive all the way back to Louisiana again?

Thanks for the confirmation, anyway.
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February 5th, 2012 at 9:21:16 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Aaaccck!!! You mean I'll have to drive all the way back to Louisiana again?

Thanks for the confirmation, anyway.



Hey Doc,

I just remembered something. Cypress Bayou and Shorty's are physically connected, but have separate chips. Be sure you grab one from each.
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February 6th, 2012 at 6:57:13 AM permalink
Thanks, rdw! I would have missed that completely. I have been getting my leads on casinos in an area from www.casinocity.com, and they only show one casino in that town. After reading your post, I clicked their link to www.cypressbayou.com, where I found references to Cypress Bayou Casino/Shorty's but nothing that really indicated that there were two casinos or gaming under two different names. I'll have to check it out.

Heading out tomorrow morning.
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March 2nd, 2012 at 10:00:43 PM permalink
ALRIGHT, FINALLY SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOUTHLAND!!! WOO HOO!!!

The casino has gone to using iTables, which uses actual cards, but players make wagers electronically. The dealers still do a bunch of work, but nothing to do with payouts. The system knows what everybody has and pays out accordingly. They still have the old cheques on the table, and when you cash out, that's what they pay you. You can make dealer wagers either directly or as a bet on certain options on the table. They have 8-deck BJ at a lower table min ($5), 6-deck at a higher min ($10) or 2-deck at $15 and $100 max. Rules are H17, split up to 3 times, DAS, Surrender available (I think), two side bets available, Royal Match and Bet the Set.

They also have live versions of TCP and UTHE. I played UTHE, as the trips bet is the optimal pay schedule with less than a 1% house edge. Check out my blog, but I hit both a royal AND straight flush while playing this trip, so Southland is getting a glowing review from me! I cashed in for $200, and left with 5 purples and a black!

Craps and Roulette are offered, but they are dealer-less and craps is the electronic type where you pretend to throw the dice; I forgot to check odds and mins.

The "Lock and Roll" slots are gone, now replaced with traditional style slots, though I'm not sure if they are Class II or III.
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March 3rd, 2012 at 12:00:54 AM permalink
They broke ground on a Margaritaville casino up in the Shreveport area (not sure which side of the river it will be on but I am sure someone here knows) so there will be two more reasons to swing through Louisiana for chips coming in the near future. I believe they are looking for a June 2013 opening for Margaritaville...
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March 3rd, 2012 at 7:52:27 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

... so there will be two more reasons to swing through Louisiana for chips coming in the near future. ...


(Grumble, grumble, %$*$#*^%!**!!)

I just made my loop through Louisiana for souvenir chips in February -- a mad dash spending three nights in the state and picking up 14 new chips to add to the three I already had. I sure don't look forward to another drive all the way to Shreveport for a "missing" chip.

I did add a missing chip from Vicksburg as I drove through (casino changed names), but what the heck casino would I be driving to that I would pass through Shreveport? There's a dang big casino-less state after that. ("Casino-less" meaning no table games except poker at one spot that's almost in Mexico.) I haven't yet convinced myself that I want to see all the sights and excitement of Oklahoma bad enough to make that loop.

I may have misunderstood the "two more reasons." Is Southland Park in Arkansas one of the reasons for going to Louisiana? If I make it to Southland Park, it will be a side excursion on a trip to Tunica.
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