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Ibeatyouraces
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July 16th, 2014 at 8:18:28 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
dabomboo7o
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July 16th, 2014 at 8:23:08 PM permalink
Right, and it should not matter since grouping the aces is just a way to "burn" through them fast, limiting the possibility for player blackjack..
Card counting advantage is mostly made through the player getting blackjack..
Even with card counting there will be many pushes where dealer and player both get 20, but the idea is to get pay and a half with blackjack... and it is totally possible for those machines to group aces.. they could group them in 3 sections or all at once..
AxiomOfChoice
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July 16th, 2014 at 9:20:20 PM permalink
Quote: dabomboo7o

Right, and it should not matter since grouping the aces is just a way to "burn" through them fast, limiting the possibility for player blackjack..
Card counting advantage is mostly made through the player getting blackjack..
Even with card counting there will be many pushes where dealer and player both get 20, but the idea is to get pay and a half with blackjack... and it is totally possible for those machines to group aces.. they could group them in 3 sections or all at once..



None of this changes the house edge. Not that it's not possible for the casino to cheat, just that this method won't work. If they want to cheat they just need to leave some 10s and As out of the shoe.
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July 16th, 2014 at 9:28:40 PM permalink
If there was a audit by the gaming commission and cards were left out of the "shoe" their license would be revoked ect, not to mention a PR nightmare. This method would work, it is just a way of "removing" aces from the shoe by technically not removing them.. It is basically impossible to prove and would increase the casino edge (not as much as actually removing cards from the shoes) but none the less, a big disadvantage to the player.. If they really wanted to cheat they would remove 10's and Aces and replace them with 5 and sixes, that would be devastating to the player.
Those shuffle machines are leased for thousands, can "read" each card to make sure all the cards are there each time shuffled ect. Of course they could program the machine to group aces in order to give a higher percentage to the house.
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July 16th, 2014 at 9:35:46 PM permalink
Quote: dabomboo7o

If there was a audit by the gaming commission and cards were left out of the "shoe" their license would be revoked ect, not to mention a PR nightmare. This method would work, it is just a way of "removing" aces from the shoe by technically not removing them.. It is basically impossible to prove and would increase the casino edge (not as much as actually removing cards from the shoes) but none the less, a big disadvantage to the player.. If they really wanted to cheat they would remove 10's and Aces and replace them with 5 and sixes, that would be devastating to the player.
Those shuffle machines are leased for thousands, can "read" each card to make sure all the cards are there each time shuffled ect. Of course they could program the machine to group aces in order to give a higher percentage to the house.



Once again, clumping the aces together does not increase the house edge in the game. In fact, if smart players were to catch onto it, it would lead to a huge player advantage.

Furthermore, it would be much, much (much much much) easier to get away with leaving a few cards out of the shoe than to get away with hacking and reprogramming the machine. It's not like you destroy the cards. You leave them in the box, and when you switch the decks out, the used cards rejoin the ones that were left out. This would be extremely difficult to catch.

The bottom line is that the house has a built-in edge, and most people play terribly and lose at a much higher rate than that built-in edge. You don't need to look for crazy conspiracy theories to explain your losses. You are losing because the house has the edge. You're supposed to lose.
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July 16th, 2014 at 9:43:22 PM permalink
casino edge is .66% if basic strategy is played perfect with a 6 deck shoe with standard rules HS17, one card on aces, split 4 times, double down anytime ect. That is a small casino edge and easily overcome by variance. .66c lost on each 100 bet is not a lot of money considering slot machines are in the realm of 25% edge and roulette is about 5-6% casino edge.
Its a losing game, but one of the best odds in the house, IF it is a fair game. Card counting only provides a 1-2% edge, and they can surely lose a lot of money with variance as well.
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July 16th, 2014 at 9:47:19 PM permalink
Quote: dabomboo7o

casino edge is .66% if basic strategy is played perfect with a 6 deck shoe with standard rules HS17, one card on aces, split 4 times, double down anytime ect. That is a small casino edge and easily overcome by variance. .66c lost on each 100 bet is not a lot of money considering slot machines are in the realm of 25% edge and roulette is about 5-6% casino edge.
Its a losing game, but one of the best odds in the house, IF it is a fair game. Card counting only provides a 1-2% edge, and they can surely lose a lot of money with variance as well.



1. Edges are not overcome by variance.

2. Have you ever been inside a casino? Ever seen people play blackjack in a casino? I don't know what they are doing but I can guarantee you this: they are sure as hell not following basic strategy perfectly.

3. Slot machines are not in the realm of 25% edge. Where did you hear that?
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July 16th, 2014 at 10:06:25 PM permalink
typically apparently keno 25%, slot machines up to 15%. Still a HUGE edge compared to table games. But yes, people for the most part play blackjack horribly..
another huge advantage of casino is the limitless money they have. Even if a game was 50/50 a player would still most likely lose in the long run due to their limited bankroll unable to handle the variance of the game (since most gamblers do not stop while ahead)..
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July 16th, 2014 at 10:07:29 PM permalink
Quote: dabomboo7o

another huge advantage of casino is the limitless money they have. Even if a game was 50/50 a player would still most likely lose in the long run due to their limited bankroll unable to handle the variance of the game (since most gamblers do not stop while ahead)..



That does not increase the casino's advantage.
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July 16th, 2014 at 10:12:55 PM permalink
a casino having unlimited money vs. a players limited amount of money IS a edge the casino has.. another edge they have is table limits so one cannot execute the martingale system of betting..

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