Sports betting, and "real" craps/roulette, may be coming to California

A ballot initiative that would allow tribal casinos in California to have "real" craps and roulette (as opposed to the card-based kinds), as well as sports betting, has qualified for the November 2022 ballot. The initiative would also allow sports betting at some horse race tracks (presumably, Golden Gate Fields, Del Mar, Santa Anita, and Los Alamitos - "fairgrounds" such as Pleasanton are specifically prohibited, even though they may have existing satellite horse race betting outlets).

It is thought that heavy money in opposition will come from the state's card rooms, which will not be allowed to offer sports betting.

I have been waiting for this. At least sports betting. Interested to see what limitation may be placed on this and if 'in person' wagering will be the only way. My understanding was Tribal influence did not want the ability to work/interface with any online presence or application for smart phones. Glad I live close to Los al.

Quote: Simpson74

I have been waiting for this. At least sports betting. Interested to see what limitation may be placed on this and if 'in person' wagering will be the only way.

The way it is written, while the "purpose and intent" says that only "in person" betting will be allowed, the law itself only specifies this for race tracks, although it does say that sports wagering conducted by tribal casinos must be "on Indian lands."

Also note that, despite the fact that the legal age for betting on horse racing is 18, the legal age for betting on other sports will be 21.

Quote: ThatDonGuy

The way it is written, while the "purpose and intent" says that only "in person" betting will be allowed, the law itself only specifies this for race tracks, although it does say that sports wagering conducted by tribal casinos must be "on Indian lands."

Also note that, despite the fact that the legal age for betting on horse racing is 18, the legal age for betting on other sports will be 21.

That's because, to my understanding, if the state offers sports betting in any commercial (licensed/regulated) gambling establishment, then the tribes are automatically allowed to have it.

Quote: Mission146

That's because, to my understanding, if the state offers sports betting in any commercial (licensed/regulated) gambling establishment, then the tribes are automatically allowed to have it.

whoever decides or establishes these rules or laws or whatever they call it to allow these types of wagering sounds like[to me] that they never made a bet in there whole F ing life.. Why is it so complicated?? MUST BE THE MONEY!!!!

Quote: ThatDonGuy

The way it is written, while the "purpose and intent" says that only "in person" betting will be allowed, the law itself only specifies this for race tracks, although it does say that sports wagering conducted by tribal casinos must be "on Indian lands."

Also note that, despite the fact that the legal age for betting on horse racing is 18, the legal age for betting on other sports will be 21.

JUST ASININE A BET IS A BET at 18 or 21...CALI [IS NUTS]!!!!!

Quote: daveyandersen1

whoever decides or establishes these rules or laws or whatever they call it to allow these types of wagering sounds like[to me] that they never made a bet in there whole F ing life.. Why is it so complicated?? MUST BE THE MONEY!!!!

I don't know what you mean. I'm referring to Section 2701 (5) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988, which states:

https://www.nigc.gov/general-counsel/indian-gaming-regulatory-act

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(5) Indian tribes have the exclusive right to regulate gaming activity on Indian lands if the gaming activity is not specifically prohibited by Federal law and is conducted within a State which does not, as a matter of criminal law and public policy, prohibit such gaming activity.

In other words, suppose a state authorizes Craps in casinos, they must allow the Tribal Casinos to offer Craps. In the event that a state allows for Class III slot machines, then they must also allow Native American casinos to have them---with or without a compact.

who in califronia was first to offer gambling The state or the Indian Reservations.. I' m asking Mission146

ok so the state has the say on what games or slots are offered Right??? Well they seem to me that they aren't gamblers,,,Just business minds that don't have a clue on what gamblers want,Or am I wrong???

Quote: daveyandersen1

JUST ASININE A BET IS A BET at 18 or 21...CALI [IS NUTS]!!!!!

Technically, the gambling itself has nothing to do with it. The current age to get into most card rooms in California is 18, not to mention bingo (although everybody seems to turn a blind eye to under-18 players in most bingo halls). It is almost certainly because casinos, unlike horse race tracks, satellite wagering areas, and card rooms, almost always have bars or lounges inside the building, or cocktail waitresses bringing drinks to players, so California law requires that everybody inside has to be at least 21.

Update:
In addition to this proposed ballot measure, which has enough signatures to be on the November 2022 ballot, there are two competing measures that are still in the petition stage. Both would allow online sports betting, which the first one does not.
One of the two would limit online betting to being run by the tribes themselves; the other would let the tribes outsource their online sports betting.
I bring this up because, a few weeks ago, an organization calling itself Californians for Tribal Sovereignty and Safe Gaming, consisting mainly of three tribes, has started running ads warning us that some out-of-state companies (and while none are named in the voiceover, FanDuel and DraftKings are shown on the screen) want to be able to run online betting, with "no real jobs created in California" and "90% of the profits leaving the state." One of the "major funders" of the ad is the Rincon band of the Luiseño tribe, which owns the Harrah's Southern California casino; I have a feeling which side Caesar's is going to take on this one.