terapined
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November 8th, 2017 at 4:22:15 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

Makes up for that small base game edge doesn't it ;-)


It does make up for the tiny edge on the base game
I love pai gow poker.
Its interesting due to setting my own hands so a little thinking involved.
I also like the fortune bet. Its terrible odds but just a buck, why not for the added fun.
At 5 bucks, no way. Its not unusual to go say 10 hands without hitting a fortune. That's down 50, too much for a cheap low roller like me on a game I am supposed to lose slowly, not down a lot quickly.
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mrsuit31
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November 8th, 2017 at 5:22:00 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

It does make up for the tiny edge on the base game
I love pai gow poker.
Its interesting due to setting my own hands so a little thinking involved.
I also like the fortune bet. Its terrible odds but just a buck, why not for the added fun.
At 5 bucks, no way. Its not unusual to go say 10 hands without hitting a fortune. That's down 50, too much for a cheap low roller like me on a game I am supposed to lose slowly, not down a lot quickly.



I like it also. Iím a sucker tho, always have at least $5 on the dragon. I like all seven card bonus bets, Dragon and UTH Trips bet included...
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Joeman
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November 9th, 2017 at 4:43:35 AM permalink
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Update on Pai Gow poker at the Derby Lane poker room in St Pete FL
This is one of the best Pai Gow games in the country
No commission, minimum bet just 5 bucks all day. Even weekends, they never raise the minimum
No BS EZ Pai Gow rules
The house just has a very slight edge due to winning ties
This game was just Pai Gow Poker, no fortune bet
Well I heard they now allow the fortune bet.
I went and checked it out
minimum 5 bucks on the fortune bet

weird
allow a low 5 bucks for pai gow
but require a high 5 bucks for fortune :-(

The Jacksonville rooms are advertising the same $5 Fortune side bet. I have not been there since they added it. Actually I haven't sat down at the Pai Gow Poker table there at all, but I did inquire, and the dealers said it is no-commission, and there is no "EZ-" qualifier.

I found this hard to believe, since it would hardly be profitable for the "syndicate." Assuming 20 HPH, 6 spots @ $5, and the 1.3% edge on no-commission, the "syndicate" ends up making $7.80 an hour. That wouldn't even cover minimum wage for the "designated player," let alone whatever vig they pay to the house.

I'm guessing the Fortune bet will put it into the black.

I'm with you, Terapined, when/if I do play, I will probably forgo the $5 Fortune bet.
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Caiman
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July 16th, 2018 at 6:21:39 PM permalink
I find Florida designated-player games, rules, and drama with the local card rooms fascinating. Moved to Tampa about a year ago and was surprised to find UTH, 3CP, Pai Gow, etc in card rooms outside of the Seminole casino monopoly.

I played UTH at Derby Lane recently and took note of their Trips and Blind paytables. On Blind, the paytable is standard except they pay 30:1 for straight flush and 2:1 for flush. By my math and the Wizard's analysis tables, the increase in flush payout more than makes up for the decrease in straight flush payout. It brings the house edge of the base game down to 1.43% of ante (0.34% EoR), which is great.

Trips is another story. As has been mentioned by others, Trips pays out like the Blind (only pays when you beat the dealer) due to state law. They do have increased Trips payouts to account for this, but I'm not sure exactly what the house edge is. I only know that if Trips payout rules were like casinos, the house edge would be -6.84%. Their paytable is 100-50-40-10-8-4-3.

So like Pai Gow there, the base game is a great deal and the side bets are not. Not that they're a great deal in casinos anyway.
terapined
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July 16th, 2018 at 6:55:04 PM permalink
Quote: Caiman

I find Florida designated-player games, rules, and drama with the local card rooms fascinating. Moved to Tampa about a year ago and was surprised to find UTH, 3CP, Pai Gow, etc in card rooms outside of the Seminole casino monopoly.

So like Pai Gow there, the base game is a great deal and the side bets are not. Not that they're a great deal in casinos anyway.


Yup
The base game Pai Gow poker is one of the best gambling deals in the country regarding a low house edge
Standard rules but no commission so only house edge is ties :-) Just a 5 buck min
They make up for it with the fortune bet which is a terrible bet and is also 5 buck min. (most casinos this is a 1 buck min bet)

Whats kind of weird is Tampa Bay Downs does not offer Pai Gow Poker
They have a poker room of course but also UTH and 3CP but no Pai Gow
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Caiman
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July 17th, 2018 at 8:56:41 AM permalink
TB Downs is closer to me, but yeah the table games area is much smaller to match the smaller room. Their UTH Blind and Trips paytables are also worse; especially Trips. I imagine Trips there has to have a 20%+ edge.

Been using PokerAtlas to see what's at each card room and which tables are open. Here's what each of the area rooms offers as of today:

Derby Lane:
-High Card Flush
-1 Card Poker
-3 Card Poker
-Ultimate Texas Hold'em
-Fortune Pai Gow
-Crazy 4 Poker

The Silks (Tampa Bay Downs):
-3 Card Poker
-Ultimate Texas Hold'em

TGT:
-Ultimate Texas Hold'em
-Fortune Pai Gow
-Crazy 4 Poker

One Eyed Jacks:
-3 Card Poker
-Ultimate Texas Hold'em
-Chase the Flush

Naples Fort Myers:
-3 Card Poker
-Ultimate Texas Hold'em
-Chase the Flush
-Pai Gow Poker
DogHand
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July 29th, 2018 at 7:33:25 PM permalink
Do these no-commission Pai Gow Poker games NOT allow the player to bank?

Dog Hand

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