richbailey86
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November 18th, 2014 at 4:26:31 PM permalink
i recently took a trip from long island to pittsburgh

played blackjack with basic strategy

was a lot of fun

turned 100 into 500, luck i guess

anyone been to rivers?
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November 18th, 2014 at 6:28:55 PM permalink
many many times. I couldn't count the ways I hate that place on all 20 fingers and toes.
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November 18th, 2014 at 6:58:58 PM permalink
We were there for a few hours last month. All we played were slots, I won $100 and Mrs won $300. On that basis, we liked it okay enough.
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November 18th, 2014 at 7:35:45 PM permalink
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many many times. I couldn't count the ways I hate that place on all 20 fingers and toes.



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November 19th, 2014 at 5:16:26 AM permalink
Been there many times, was planning to go this weekend but their poker tourney is way over my level.

It has Meadows beat on so many levels but yet I keep ending up back at Meadows. Rivers is out if there is local football that day for the most part. Poker room is too full of maniacs. They do have some individual progressive and "progressive hit by" machines I have not seen at Meadows but I am too old and too busy to seriously vulture machines.

Rivers buffet beats Meadows clearly, the bars are about a tie. The Wheelhouse isn't bad but I would not make a special trip.

One thing I *love* about Rivers is free parking and use the shuttle to get to downtown, also free. Many is the time I met there for a carpool or worked a gig and saved $5-10 in parking, mostly in nice weather months. I parked there before a Pirate game last fall.

Rivers clearly sees themselves as a higher-level place, and based on location they are. But it is still a locals joint.
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November 19th, 2014 at 10:56:17 AM permalink
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Rivers is out if there is local football that day for the most part. Poker room is too full of maniacs.


I've been to both a bunch of times. Rivers seems "nicer" / "bigger" but mostly because it's in downtown. However, from my experiences I feel they have the crappiest comp system I've ever seen. I had 2 different PB's tell me at a blackjack table that your action doesn't account for any comps, only how much you buy in for, and how much you cash out with. I was astonished as it seems like they don't even know what a persons "theoretical loss" is. Can anyone else confirm they've been fed this crap too? I asked another PB because I thought the first may have been lying to me.

I'm not the biggest fan of Rivers either, but I'd like to hear some of the reasons others have...

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many many times. I couldn't count the ways I hate that place on all 20 fingers and toes.


Care to name a handful, or two? =P
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November 19th, 2014 at 11:35:11 AM permalink
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Care to name a handful, or two? =P



When I get home I will for sure.

Let me say that if I were visiting the city and wanted to play, drink, and eat for 1 night it might be a decent place. It is a horrible place for low rolling locals though.
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November 19th, 2014 at 11:36:57 AM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

i recently took a trip from long island to pittsburgh

played blackjack with basic strategy

was a lot of fun

turned 100 into 500, luck i guess

anyone been to rivers?



BTW, you have been on this forum for only a few months but you should have posted that you were going here ahead of time. There are a handful of locals on this board. I would have come down for a drink or a game for a little while. Keep that in mind if you are back in town.

Just curious, why were you in Pittsburgh if you don't mind sharing?
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November 19th, 2014 at 11:38:08 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

I've been to both a bunch of times. Rivers seems "nicer" / "bigger" but mostly because it's in downtown. However, from my experiences I feel they have the crappiest comp system I've ever seen. I had 2 different PB's tell me at a blackjack table that your action doesn't account for any comps, only how much you buy in for, and how much you cash out with. I was astonished as it seems like they don't even know what a persons "theoretical loss" is. Can anyone else confirm they've been fed this crap too? I asked another PB because I thought the first may have been lying to me.




The layout of Rivers is nicer because Meadows is wide and shallow while Rivers is more square and logical IMHO. Comps are horrible at Meadows I think.

As to the buy-in, that is probably the right way to rate a player. You cannot "lose" more than you buy in for.

If this is true it seems like the best course of action is to buy in bigger and rat-hole cheques. Would have to do it at a busy table or else they will notice lots of missing cheques in their racks, though.
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November 19th, 2014 at 11:50:34 AM permalink
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The layout of Rivers is nicer because Meadows is wide and shallow while Rivers is more square and logical IMHO. Comps are horrible at Meadows I think.


I agree. It does look slightly more updated too. Although that could just be the average age of Meadows is like 80...

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As to the buy-in, that is probably the right way to rate a player. You cannot "lose" more than you buy in for.


I disagree with this on many levels. So if I buy in for $100, and play $100/hand for a while and get lucky enough to break even, then I shouldn't get comped anything? What if I bought in for $1,000 and played $100/hand and broke even? The idea of Buy In rating is retarded. Most players don't put their whole bankroll on the table, they reach in their pocket and buy more chips if they need. The casino has ZERO way of knowing how much potential money is in anyone's pockets. The only thing they DO know is how much money the person is betting on average. The whole idea of comping to the theoretical loss is you don't care what the person does on this one particular session, because that's insignificant to the overall statistical effect they'll have in the long run. ANY casino that comps on a 'per session' basis is just showing their complete lack of understanding of statistics and the math involved with the game. Theoretical Loss deals with this long run.

Theoretical = Total Action * HE, where Total Action = Avg Bet * Hands Played, and HE, at least for blackjack, is generally taken anywhere from 1-2% because the majority of players don't even play close to basic strategy. To get a comp value simply multiply by .20 at the end is because your comps are generally 20% of your theoretical loss. I.E. They're paying you with your own projected losses, which is why they offer comps lol.

Easy example: A guy flat betting $10/hand has REALLY good luck and makes $200 over a couple hours, while another guy is betting $1,000 per hand, but ends up coming out EVEN after a couple hours... Who do you give the comp to? The $1,000 guy of course! If he comes back and keeps doing this then you're going to make TONS more off of him than you would off the $10 player.

Theoretical Losses
***PRETEND BOTH PLAYERS BOUGHT IN FOR $1,000***
Assuming 2 hours, and 80 hands per hour.

Theoretical of $1,000 player: $1,000*160*.02* = $3,200 ...Comp Value (20%) = $640
Theoretical of $10 player: 10*160*.02 = $32 ...Comp Value (20%) = $6.40

So while the $10 player "buy in / cash out" fluctuated more, the bigger player (whom broke even this time) gave a TON more action and in the long run will lose A TON MORE to the casino.

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If this is true it seems like the best course of action is to buy in bigger and rat-hole cheques. Would have to do it at a busy table or else they will notice lots of missing cheques in their racks, though.


That's precisely what I attempted to do for my session, but since I never bothered to get a card there before and I was "new" I was told I was pretty much screwed... Even though I had a lot of action over about 4-5 hours of play in 1 day. Total crap, in my opinion.
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