Ottoxman
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November 14th, 2014 at 3:38:45 AM permalink
Is it really gambling anymore when casinos has control of the card shuffling machines? Especially for card games like Pai Gow. I don't really know if thats just the way the shuffle machine operates or if the casino is breaking some kind of gaming law. Its like this: I am playing 2 hands on the pai gow table. One of the hands is automatically house way, faced down not seen. Without even flipping the cards over ,even for the "cameras" to see, the dealer pushes this button and the screen reveals exactly what the 2 top cards of the hand are and how it should be played house way. All the while the cards are still faced down. So I asked the dealer "how is it, that without flipping the cards over to reveal them first, the computer screen already know what the hand is??? Then all of a sudden the lady dealer doesn't speak english anymore. F#$%ing ironic!!! She starts mumbling jibberish then deals the same way again..... So i am guessing the the shuffle machine already knows the value of each hand and deals them first according to the "random digital number" and NOT using dices. After a couple of good hands for me the dealer was unbeatable and cleaned me out. No wonder the table was empty when i got there. So i know for a fact that all seven hands has already been sorted and revealed to machine before picking the right digital number so that the biggest hand will land on the dealer and the s&*( to the player. Luck my %^&!!!!! That is f$%^ing cheating!!! They are practically stealing money...its not gambling. Think about it, right? They should be sued. B#%^&rds!!!!
Ottoxman
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November 14th, 2014 at 3:45:59 AM permalink
Is there a lawyer in the house?
1BB
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November 14th, 2014 at 4:04:35 AM permalink
Quote: Ottoxman

Is there a lawyer in the house?



You're dealing with Indians. That shouldn't mean that they can do whatever they want and they certainly aren't allowed to cheat. It just might be difficult to deal with them. Whatever you do, don't give information here that would allow them to identify you.
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FleaStiff
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November 14th, 2014 at 4:13:31 AM permalink
I don't know where Table Mountain is.... but save up your bottle caps and hitch hike to Las Vegas and you won't have such problems.

I trust this even took place on your first and last visit to that casino.
Sonuvabish
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November 14th, 2014 at 4:18:51 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

You're dealing with Indians. That shouldn't mean that they can do whatever they want and they certainly aren't allowed to cheat. It just might be difficult to deal with them. Whatever you do, don't give information here that would allow them to identify you.



Was about to say ugh, then I read that you are of the opinion they aren't allowed to cheat and can't do whatever they want, and thought...has 1BB seen the light?
Sonuvabish
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November 14th, 2014 at 4:23:57 AM permalink
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Is it really gambling anymore when casinos has control of the card shuffling machines? etc



Are you sure each card isn't read as it is taken out of the machine by a scanner?

The way you dove off into conspiracy land at the end suggests you are not painting an accurate picture of what happened.

They have these games to prevent errors and AP-ing. Not to cheat. If they were to cheat, I doubt it would be as extremely obvious/easy to detect as you suggest. I have APed fair games where very stupid people loudly accuse the house of cheating, based on the fact they lost and a conjecture or two.
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November 14th, 2014 at 4:51:01 AM permalink
Quote: Sonuvabish

Was about to say ugh, then I read that you are of the opinion they aren't allowed to cheat and can't do whatever they want, and thought...has 1BB seen the light?



Ha ha! Since I look for good in people, I'll probably never see the whole light. I deal with Indians all the time and have seen them get away with plenty. Do they have the cops in their pocket? I've been advised to remain silent.
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Sonuvabish
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November 14th, 2014 at 4:57:55 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Ha ha! Since I look for good in people, I'll probably never see the whole light. I deal with Indians all the time and have seen them get away with plenty. Do they have the cops in their pocket? I've been advised to remain silent.



Maybe true, but you must have watched the Maryland Live thing. Any casino has cops in their pocket. The problem isn't Indians and sovereign land and all that nonsense. Crime is crime no matter where you are in the developed world. The problem is corruption, which isn't exclusive to Indians.
Ottoxman
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November 14th, 2014 at 6:12:36 AM permalink
Lol scanners, exactly my point..
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November 14th, 2014 at 7:16:55 AM permalink
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Lol scanners, exactly my point..


No... Scanners when the cards come out, not when they're shuffled. i.e. Baccarat shoes sometimes have scanners on the front of them so when the dealer pulls a card out it can properly record it and put it up on the screen. It has nothing to do with whom gets the card, etc, and is for recording purposes (because everyone who believes in the Gamblers Fallacy thinks that little screen can predict winners).

There's zero way I'd play a game where the dealer didn't flip their hand over. How on Earth do you know the software didn't malfunction or something? I would demand to see the dealers physical cards every round. Actually, I probably wouldn't play the game, nor at an indian casino =p.
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