BleedingChipsSlowly
BleedingChipsSlowly
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March 10th, 2014 at 6:09:41 PM permalink


Casino Decks Soft 17 Cut Card
Foxwoods
8 Hit 1 deck
Mohegan Sun
6 Stand 1.5 decks

The penetration levels are my best guesses. (1BB, jump in if you think different.) The high-limit Foxwoods and low-limit Mohegan Sun tables have different "17" rules and are not considered here. There are some other minor differences in the rules, such as number of splits allowed, but let's disregard them for a general comparison.

In terms of AP is one game clearly better than the other? If so, can that degree of "better" be quantified? At what point does good penetration overcome an H17 rule?

[It was a tossup as to whether I posted here or as a Blackjack topic.]
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March 10th, 2014 at 6:52:56 PM permalink
The high limit rooms at Foxwoods and the former MGM Grand are 6 deck games with a 0.33% house edge making them the hands down choice starting at $50 minimums. The cut is one deck here as well. They are watched very closely and they will run a skills check on you so short sessions are imperative.

I wish the penetration at Mohegan Sun was 75%. Unfortunately it is usually much less. It is a major pain scouting all three casinos there to find the few dealers who give the better pen. They could be off that day, they could be on other games or they could be on relief.

If the main floor at Foxwoods would go back to S17 it would be close but I give it to Mohegan provided decent pen could be found. Anyone care to sim it?
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BleedingChipsSlowly
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March 10th, 2014 at 8:13:39 PM permalink
Thanks, 1BB. I have noticed, too, that there are very few MS dealers who will ignore the shoe index and put the cut card at less than 1.5 decks. Also at MS, I haven't seen floor managers pay much attention to play at $10/$15 tables. I have jumped from flat betting one spot minimum for an hour to 5x on two spots and back to one hand minimum without any attention. The overall play in general is so erratic I guess it isn't seen as a flag. The best games at Foxwoods sound like a challenge. Perhaps some day I'll give them a try.
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