AlanMendelson
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January 3rd, 2014 at 12:38:33 AM permalink
I have to wonder if there was another reason why you didn't have to be present to win?

http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?2693-Harrah-s-Rincon-and-the-mysterious-One-Million-Dollar-Winner
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January 3rd, 2014 at 12:51:22 AM permalink
Hmm.. a grand prize drawing at an Indian Casino where the winner did not have to be present to win..

Seems legit to me.

No, but in all seriousness, there are so many cheating accusations against Indian Casinos, and it's really up to the player to believe it or not. I still avoid playing at certain Indian Casinos just because of the rep, not that I can prove they are cheating or not.
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January 3rd, 2014 at 1:07:47 AM permalink
Well, it is a Caesars managed property.
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January 3rd, 2014 at 1:15:46 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I have to wonder if there was another reason why you didn't have to be present to win?

http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?2693-Harrah-s-Rincon-and-the-mysterious-One-Million-Dollar-Winner

I know Dan thinks casinos are all saintly. Here is just one time they were caught. The Venetian was caught red handed(not sure if that could be conciderd pun or not) CHEATING http://www.lottoreport.com/022604casinos.htm Yet AP's are scum. If they were blatantly caught, how often dose this go un-noticed?

I had 70% of the tickets in a drawing when I caught a small gaming establishment palming a ticket. I called them out prior to the drawing, they had some lame excuse for having a palmed ticket, then they drew a ticket, quickly toss it back saying, it was illegible. All this was Just to avoid me from winning.

The funny part about the illegible thing...... they were the ones who wrote your names on the tickets. Even funnier..... The look on there face's when they drew my GF's name was priceless, she had very few tickets.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 3rd, 2014 at 1:27:16 AM permalink
Maybe you guys know since you are the pros but couldn't they just give these things to the high rollers instead of taking the risk of rigging drawings for them and other things. I mean why invite the extra risk and possibly have the gaming board involved when you can just give the high roller what you think will placate them and then have a normal drawing where a high roller could possibly win again. Seems like they just want to double-dip.
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January 3rd, 2014 at 1:42:18 AM permalink
Quote: Perdition

Maybe you guys know since you are the pros but couldn't they just give these things to the high rollers instead of taking the risk of rigging drawings for them and other things. I mean why invite the extra risk and possibly have the gaming board involved when you can just give the high roller what you think will placate them and then have a normal drawing where a high roller could possibly win again. Seems like they just want to double-dip.

Marketing comes up with the promotions to keep people gambling or to gain players. It is also a way to get people to come back and start gambling. They probably get to write a percentage off on taxes. I'm sure the guys at the very top didn't know this was going on. Someone got greedy or upset the AP's or low rollers will take money from their high-rollers. I have a feeling that guy was probably going to get a nice gift had the high-roller won.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 3rd, 2014 at 1:49:51 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I know Dan thinks casinos are all saintly. Here is just one time they were caught. The Venetian was caught red handed(not sure if that could be conciderd pun or not) CHEATING http://www.lottoreport.com/022604casinos.htm Yet AP's are scum. If they were blatantly caught, how often dose this go un-noticed?

I had 70% of the tickets in a drawing when I caught a small gaming establishment palming a ticket. I called them out prior to the drawing, they had some lame excuse for having a palmed ticket, then they drew a ticket, quickly toss it back saying, it was illegible. All this was Just to avoid me from winning.

The funny part about the illegible thing...... they were the ones who wrote your names on the tickets. Even funnier..... The look on there face's when they drew my GF's name was priceless, she had very few tickets.

Same thing happened to me at a casino in West Virginia but I was not able to figure it out soon enough. Another lady was tipping the security guards $20 when she won. I remembered seeing her standing in front of the barrel nodding her head when he took hers and him dropping a few of mine, but didn't recognize it as a signal at the time. For the grand drawing, I wondered why nobody was allowed more than 30 feet away and just last year it hit me. Won plenty of times, but not as much as I should have. Nothing I can do about it 7 years later.
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January 3rd, 2014 at 1:54:40 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I have to wonder if there was another reason why you didn't have to be present to win?

http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?2693-Harrah-s-Rincon-and-the-mysterious-One-Million-Dollar-Winner

In Cincinnati Caesars had to Pay two people a million dollars with the same name because they couldn't tell them apart and they happened to live in the same town and around the same age and race. It would have been a PR nightmare if they didn't. Although it was an honest mistake, their refusal excuse would have been politically incorrect and obviously embarrassing. I would imagine this is a response to prevent it from happening again.
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January 3rd, 2014 at 3:10:59 PM permalink
New info: some players say a dealer told them that if the money is not claimed in ten days Rincon keeps it.
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January 5th, 2014 at 8:49:40 PM permalink
On the Harrah's Rincon Facebook page they say they contacted the winner and the big announcement will be made this week.
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January 6th, 2014 at 2:02:38 AM permalink
Yea I was surprised how the whole thing played out. When I went to activate my entries a few days prior I was told at promotions that indeed the winner did not need to be present. I asked how will I know if I win, will it be on Facebook or something? I was told that yes it would be on Facebook and I was also given a card with the number to marketing stating that all winners will be listed within two hours of drawings. When I called the number on jan 1 all it had on there were the results of the slot tournament from 12/24. I was highly surprised that nothing was on Facebook or publicized and it has basically been kept secret. It just does not seem to me that this is the way this should have played out.
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January 7th, 2014 at 1:54:05 AM permalink
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I was highly surprised that nothing was on Facebook or publicized and it has basically been kept secret. It just does not seem to me that this is the way this should have played out.



I would give their marketing dept a FAIL on this one. Too many of their players were angered by the lack of information and became suspicious about the integrity of the drawing. While everything could very well have been 100% on the up-and-up their silence created a lot of ill will.
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January 7th, 2014 at 2:21:53 AM permalink
I totally agree. I do not understand why they publicize the winners of every other contest be it a slot tournament or ANY other type of drawing, and yet a drawing of this magnitude was seemingly kept secret. One can only assume they did not win if they were not called. But was the fact that the winner would be called, and therefore need to ensure that their contact info was correct, publicized? As I noted the promotion desk did not mention this to me. It just seems that something of this magnitude, where one did not need to be present to win so I would assume a majority of players activated entries and did not attend, should have been announced/ promoted by as many meens as possible given the limited time to claim the prize. But that is just my opinion. As someone who only had a little over 10,000 entries I would expect that those with hundreds of thousands of entries would have been more distraught at the lack of public announcement.
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January 7th, 2014 at 6:33:05 PM permalink
Quote: rainy

Hmm.. a grand prize drawing at an Indian Casino where the winner did not have to be present to win..

Seems legit to me.

No, but in all seriousness, there are so many cheating accusations against Indian Casinos, and it's really up to the player to believe it or not. I still avoid playing at certain Indian Casinos just because of the rep, not that I can prove they are cheating or not.




I apologize for quoting this post but I was un sure how to write my own. First off this drawing is a SCAM. I am a seven star player at this casino and have been coming here for years. I was next to the person who announced the "winner" which was a bogus name. My family member won a drawing and they had balloons and photographers and cake ready for her after she was called. For this,there was nothing. How is that possible if it's a million dollar winner? You really don't want to publicize this? Makes no sense to me. We went to ask our host for the name of the winner and they stated they couldn't give out that info? You guys just said it in front of hundreds of people but when we got suspicious you all of a sudden can't say it? We spoke to a few of the workers and they stated they have never heard of this person or seen them before. This was a complete scam and embarrassing for the casino.
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January 7th, 2014 at 11:29:04 PM permalink
Quote: Mandia

My family member won a drawing and they had balloons and photographers and cake ready for her after she was called. For this,there was nothing. How is that possible if it's a million dollar winner?



that is a very interesting element -- nothing was prepared to greet the million dollar winner? It almost seems they knew the winner would not be there, doesn't it?

Well, the casino says the winner has been contacted and the presentation is supposed to be made this week... only a couple of days left. Let's see who it is. And if there is a cake, balloons, etc.
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January 10th, 2014 at 6:46:42 PM permalink
From their Facebook page:

A DRUM-ROll PLEASE… Introducing the Year of the Millionaire’s 2013 grand prize winner, Ms. Chalyrutana Arkomdhon! We made her a MILLIONAIRE and cant wait to do it again for another lucky TWO guests. So start thinking about how you are going to spend your million dollars! Stay tuned.

Don't you hate it when a good conspiracy theory goes down in flames???
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January 10th, 2014 at 6:57:19 PM permalink
Quote: PBguy

From their Facebook page:

A DRUM-ROll PLEASE… Introducing the Year of the Millionaire’s 2013 grand prize winner, Ms. Chalyrutana Arkomdhon! We made her a MILLIONAIRE and cant wait to do it again for another lucky TWO guests. So start thinking about how you are going to spend your million dollars! Stay tuned.

Don't you hate it when a good conspiracy theory goes down in flames???

Sounds like someone from a far, far away country that we will never see or hear from again.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 10th, 2014 at 9:20:24 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Sounds like someone from a far, far away country that we will never see or hear from again.



Here in San Diego we have a ton of immigrants from a wide range of countries so while her name is unusual it doesn't mean she isn't a regular/local.
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January 10th, 2014 at 9:30:14 PM permalink
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January 10th, 2014 at 9:43:16 PM permalink
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Don't you hate it when a good conspiracy theory goes down in flames???

The motive was as I said, to make sure only one was awarded so to not repeat Cincinnati. McDonalds Monopoly was fixed for a decade so can't blame people for being paranoid either.
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January 10th, 2014 at 9:43:27 PM permalink
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Don't you hate it when a good conspiracy theory goes down in flames???

The motive was as I said, to make sure only one was awarded so to not repeat Cincinnati. McDonalds Monopoly was fixed for a decade so can't blame people for being paranoid either.
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January 11th, 2014 at 3:40:29 AM permalink
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The motive was as I said, to make sure only one was awarded so to not repeat Cincinnati. McDonalds Monopoly was fixed for a decade so can't blame people for being paranoid either.



Actually it was only 5 years of fraud in the McDonalds case and it had nothing to do with McDonalds itself. Not sure why you would use that to become skeptical of every large casino promotion though. It's not like these casinos can't afford to give away the money promised.
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January 11th, 2014 at 5:59:17 AM permalink
Quote: PBguy

Actually it was only 5 years of fraud in the McDonalds case and it had nothing to do with McDonalds itself. Not sure why you would use that to become skeptical of every large casino promotion though.



I think McD's is an excellent example, because it shows how even a contest run by a huge ethical corporation can be tampered with by criminals. Sure, it is true that the contest was not rigged BY McDonald's, but it was rigged.

Brief Forbes McScam Article
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January 11th, 2014 at 7:46:10 AM permalink
You get what you ask for when you play at any Harrah's casino, and you definitely get what you ask for when you play at any tribe-run casino. Those people still get perks the rest of us can only dream about, and they run their casinos by their own rules. Anyone who wants to believe different just so they can feel ok about playing at them is delusional.

By the way, you also get what you ask for if you eat at McDonalds.
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January 11th, 2014 at 11:07:11 AM permalink
Quote: tournamentking

You get what you ask for when you play at any Harrah's casino, and you definitely get what you ask for when you play at any tribe-run casino. Those people still get perks the rest of us can only dream about, and they run their casinos by their own rules. Anyone who wants to believe different just so they can feel ok about playing at them is delusional.

By the way, you also get what you ask for if you eat at McDonalds.



I've been playing at tribal casinos in San Diego for years and never had any issues and neither has anyone I know. My mom started playing bingo at Barona almost 30 years ago so it's not like we don't have a long history of playing.

Maybe the San Diego area tribal casinos are just better run than some others. Not saying there haven't been problems but they seem closely regulated.
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