Trivia: States with no casinos
November 19th, 2013 at 4:00:10 AM
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Trivia Question:
As was discussed in another thread, Utah , Hawaii, Tenn, and Vermont formed 4 states with no legal gambling except, in two cases, lotteries or charitable gaming - horse racing counted, though.
What other states have no casinos [assuming the list at american casino guide is authoritative]
First hint: 4 states
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As was discussed in another thread, Utah , Hawaii, Tenn, and Vermont formed 4 states with no legal gambling except, in two cases, lotteries or charitable gaming - horse racing counted, though.
What other states have no casinos [assuming the list at american casino guide is authoritative]
First hint: 4 states
NO FAIR LOOKING IT UP!
PLEASE USE SPOILER-COVER!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 19th, 2013 at 4:30:48 AM
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Texas
I don't know everything but I know a lot.
November 19th, 2013 at 5:35:17 AM
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Virginia
November 19th, 2013 at 6:16:34 AM
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Heck.. the only proper answer is NONE .
States without casinos still have gambling.
They have poker, they have these slot machine look alikes, they have service "clubs", they have "charity nights in Monte Carlo"...... whatever they can get, legal or illegal. Every state has gambling just as every state has drinking... its just that some don't want to admit it.
And for many, they have only a short trip to the state border.
States without casinos still have gambling.
They have poker, they have these slot machine look alikes, they have service "clubs", they have "charity nights in Monte Carlo"...... whatever they can get, legal or illegal. Every state has gambling just as every state has drinking... its just that some don't want to admit it.
And for many, they have only a short trip to the state border.
November 19th, 2013 at 6:48:14 AM
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Quote: ten2winTexas
Texas had an Indian casino just outside of El Paso for a few years. This was back in the nineties. The state's position was the casino was operating illegally and eventually had it shut down. I remember discussing the place with other poker players at Sandia in Albuquerque. And I think there was another Indian casino somewhere close to Eagle Pass. It may still be operating.
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November 19th, 2013 at 6:52:21 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitAs was discussed in another thread, Utah , Hawaii, Tenn, and Vermont formed 4 states with no legal gambling
I'd argue that all states offer some sort of legalized gambling. In all jurisdictions, the house (i.e. insurance companies) are allowed to take bets (i.e. premiums) and when a certain event happens (loss of life, wrecked vehicle, theft), they pay off the bettor. Granted these are usually bets one doesn't want to win, but it still meets the definition of a gamble as far as I'm concerned.
November 19th, 2013 at 6:56:06 AM
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I just googled it. http://www.kickapooluckyeaglecasino.com in Eagle Pass, Texas
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November 19th, 2013 at 6:58:11 AM
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I Googled it too, it's a hell of a long ways from anywhere with any population at all. Talk about BFE.
November 19th, 2013 at 8:06:13 AM
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Georgia
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November 19th, 2013 at 8:16:14 AM
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I really don't know how we're defining "casino", but...
Georgia, Virginia, Kentucky, Alaska, Nebraska, Texas (defining Kickapoo as outside the state), Massachusetts, South Carolina. I think it hinges on whether casino boats leaving from a port in a state count as casinos being in a state...that'd knock GA and SC off the list.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
November 19th, 2013 at 8:18:34 AM
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Quote: AlanI Googled it too, it's a hell of a long ways from anywhere with any population at all. Talk about BFE.
It helps that the speed limit in Texas is so high and unenforced. The drive down from San Antonio is very fast and easy, though the casino really is just geared to the locals - it's not fancy or a resort or anything. Speaking of the locals...Piedras Negras is only a couple miles away and has a population of about 150,000.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
November 19th, 2013 at 8:34:39 AM
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Quote: rdw4potusI really don't know how we're defining "casino"
for the purposes of the trivia question, whether or not american casino guide thinks they have one is the definition
PS: some have guessed one state. There have been incorrect states guessed too.
Hint #2, scratch off any such state being in the West or Midwest.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 19th, 2013 at 8:46:30 AM
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I knew alot of people would list Georgia... but see all the bribery trials and sheriff enforcement efforts on 'bingo' machines and some of these states without casinos start looking like Vegas.
Riverboat departure "in" a state? Yeah, parking lot and a pier... but its an international voyage with a metal detector just the same... and it is more likely to affect local revenue and local traffic.
Riverboat departure "in" a state? Yeah, parking lot and a pier... but its an international voyage with a metal detector just the same... and it is more likely to affect local revenue and local traffic.
November 19th, 2013 at 8:55:53 AM
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Quote: MidwestAPGranted these are usually bets one doesn't want to win, but it still meets the definition of a gamble as far as I'm concerned.
I have a different opinion. I would call gambling making a negative-expectation bet for the purpose of amusement. While life insurance is usually negative EV, I view it more like pooling money together to help the survivors who need it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 19th, 2013 at 9:08:39 AM
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As a side note, the proliferation of legal gambling killed off what was left of the road traveling pool players. The best states for action had always been states without casinos, lotteries or any form of parimutuel. Well, that and cell phones with cameras. Walk into any pool room today and within minutes everyone knows your age, weight, dob, playing speed and what schools your kids attend.
November 19th, 2013 at 9:16:51 AM
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Insurance executives and insurance salesmen just love customers like you.Quote: WizardI have a different opinion. I would call gambling making a negative-expectation bet for the purpose of amusement. While life insurance is usually negative EV, I view it more like pooling money together to help the survivors who need it.
Unfortunately, lets carry the "bet" a little beyond its formation.
What sort of "Insurance Casino" would you recommend if you knew that:
Most bets were never resolved... ie, most life insurance policies do NOT get paid off when someone kicks the bucket.
Most bets are entered into via commission-paid salesmen with only sales pitch training.
Most "pricing" of the bets is via lobbyist mediated "fair analysis" paid for by lawyers.
Many bets that should be paid off such as disability insurance policies are fought tooth and nail until the claimant limps away from the table chatting to himself, only the headline making disabilities of skiing into a tree while looking at stretch pants get paid off when someone becomes a basket case. Most such cases are challenged and many times the disability has forced a lapse in income and therefore a lapse in coverage.
Most motorist policies are never litigated... each insurer swallows its own and so driver safety is unaffected.
Most catastrophe policies are based on historically invalid tables.
Now... do you have a revised opinion of the insurance casino? After all, its still a bet made for the purpose of amusement,,, the amusement of the insurance executives who laugh all the way to the bank.
November 19th, 2013 at 9:28:33 AM
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Quote: rdw4potusI really don't know how we're defining "casino", but...
Georgia, Virginia, Kentucky, Alaska, Nebraska, Texas (defining Kickapoo as outside the state), Massachusetts, South Carolina. I think it hinges on whether casino boats leaving from a port in a state count as casinos being in a state...that'd knock GA and SC off the list.
I have some experience in Alaska. I arrived there in 1974 during the pipeline boom. I was in Alaska on and off until 1992. There were illegal gambling dens in Anchorage and Fairbanks. We called them "after hours joints." There was poker, blackjack and....four-five-six, played on a reconfigured craps table. These joints were usually located in industrial districts because if they were located in neighborhoods the traffic would be an attention getter. You knocked on the door, you could see the security camera, someone from inside would scrutinize you, and then decide whether to let you in or not.
There is no law against gambling in Alaska. But there is a law that says the house cannot make money in any way from the gambling. They can't even sell you a coke. The poker games were famous in Anchorage. For years there was an ad in the local papers "Friendly Poker Game. Everyone Welcome."
About tens years ago, a dealer friend of mine at Binion's went to Anchorage as a relief dealer. They were paying $20 an hour. He came back a few months later and gave me the lowdown. There were a half dozen 10-20 holdem games around town. They were raking 5% all the way up. Which meant that from a $200 pot they would take $10. They comped drinks, cigarettes, food. Of course they could afford to with that kind of a rake.
My dealer friend came back to Las Vegas because he couldn't get enough shifts as a relief dealer. The dealers were making so much money that they seldom took any time off.
Perry Green, owner of David Green Furriers in Anchorage, is probably the most famous Alaskan poker player.
If you are ever in Anchorage just ask around the bars. I'm sure you will find a game.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
November 19th, 2013 at 9:34:51 AM
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My list is, without trying to look it up: (had to drop Tennessee after I re-read the OP)
Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
November 19th, 2013 at 9:55:48 AM
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Hint #3 , too many Southern states in the last guess, the Bible Belt is bowing to demand ... demand for tax money mostly.
and I'll put the answer here in spoiler-cover in case anybody else wants to guess
and I'll put the answer here in spoiler-cover in case anybody else wants to guess
determined by tedious examination at American Casino Guide that I hope is correct: Alaska, Kentucky, New Hampshire, and Virginia have no casino, at least are not on that list at that site.
So they join Tenn, Vermont, Utah and Hawaii for 8 states without casinos, the latter two states having no legalized gambling whatsoever and TN, VT only a lottery or charitable gaming evidently.
So they join Tenn, Vermont, Utah and Hawaii for 8 states without casinos, the latter two states having no legalized gambling whatsoever and TN, VT only a lottery or charitable gaming evidently.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 19th, 2013 at 9:57:08 AM
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@Mickeycrimm
In the "Greatland" aka Alaska, the only approved by the state gambling I was aware of was the Tanana ice classic.
It is a lotto where they sell a few thousand guesses at when the ice flow will break a wire in the Tanana river. Great fun.
Also, on Anchorage. It's only about a 1/2 hour away from Alaska
In the "Greatland" aka Alaska, the only approved by the state gambling I was aware of was the Tanana ice classic.
It is a lotto where they sell a few thousand guesses at when the ice flow will break a wire in the Tanana river. Great fun.
Also, on Anchorage. It's only about a 1/2 hour away from Alaska
November 19th, 2013 at 11:04:21 AM
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Quote: WizardI have a different opinion. I would call gambling making a negative-expectation bet for the purpose of amusement. While life insurance is usually negative EV, I view it more like pooling money together to help the survivors who need it.
I guess we can agree to disagree. I understand your point that the pupose is different, but I don't feel that is the key factor that makes it gambling. I think it's the act of paying something of value if an agreed upon event takes place in exchange for risking something of value.
In the case of life insurance (although this can also be applied to all other forms if insurance) you have the following factors:
Wager - Policy Premium
Payout - The policy face value
Agreed upon event - The insured dies
Furthermore, in the insurance industry the parties and roles can be easily analogized to a casino.
Insurance company - Casino
Insurance agent - Dealer
Policy owner - Bettor
Beneficiary - Often times the bettor but can be anyone the bettor designates to receive the payout
Actuarial price spread (and fixed fees) - Mathmatical house edge
November 19th, 2013 at 11:48:18 AM
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Quote: MidwestAPI'd argue that all states offer some sort of legalized gambling. In all jurisdictions, the house (i.e. insurance companies) are allowed to take bets (i.e. premiums) and when a certain event happens (loss of life, wrecked vehicle, theft), they pay off the bettor. Granted these are usually bets one doesn't want to win, but it still meets the definition of a gamble as far as I'm concerned.
Ha, favorite post of the day.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
November 19th, 2013 at 1:13:32 PM
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Quote: petroglyph@Mickeycrimm
In the "Greatland" aka Alaska, the only approved by the state gambling I was aware of was the Tanana ice classic.
It is a lotto where they sell a few thousand guesses at when the ice flow will break a wire in the Tanana river. Great fun.
Also, on Anchorage. It's only about a 1/2 hour away from Alaska
I believe it is called the Nenana Ice Classic. It's a guessing game as to when the ice will go out on the Tanana River which flows right by Nenana. The tickets sold for $2 apiece, and I believe the winner was paid $100,000. You had to guess the day, hour and minute. The only sure thing you knew was the ice would go out in either April or May. I thumbed into Fairbanks in the summer of 1982 looking for a job. A friend of mine, Bob Gentleman, told me he could get me a job bartending at Moocher's Bar in Nenana.
"Bob, I've never bartended before." I said.
"I think that's what they are looking for." he responded.
Bob had a pizza shop in Moocher's Bar. I rode with him down the Parks Highway 60 miles to Nenana. When we walked in the bar, Vern Weiss, the owner was bartending.
"Vern, I've got your new bartender." Bob said
"We don't need anybody." Vern said and walked down the bar.
A few minutes later he came back and said
"When can you start."
"Right now."
"Okay, c'mon back and I'll show you how to run the till."
He showed me how to run the till then walked out the door without saying another damn word. I was on my own. Luckily it was just a beer and a shot bar. Nenana was a little town of 500 people, one third white folks, one third Indians, and one third half-breeds, oh yes, and two black guys. The half breeds were sons of bitches. Roughhousers from hell. But I was only 29 years old and a pretty good roughhouser myself. The only way I could get along with them was show them what I could do.
There was only one cop in town, a great big guy. The half-breeds called him Bigfoot. There was a black state trooper that roamed about 100 miles of the Parks Highway with Nenana being smack dab in the middle. The half-breeds called him Blackfoot. The old black guy in town lived on a hill just across the Tanana River Bridge from Nenana. It was a landmark to the half-breeds. They called it N..... Hill.
There was an old guy that lived down the Tanana from Nenana. He was the first and last across the river ice every year. He always announced to the town whether the ice was safe for foot traffic or not. There is a tower on the south bank of the river. In the spring they built a tripod out of telephone pole and set it in the middle of the river. They ran a cable from the tower to the tripod. When the tripod moved 100 feet bells and sirens went off, and we all went running to see the ice go out. I had intended to stay in Nenana long enough to see the ice go out. And that's what I did. I left shortly thereafter.
Anchorage is also referred to as "the junkpile out on the mud flats."
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
November 19th, 2013 at 1:41:13 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsMy list is, without trying to look it up: (had to drop Tennessee after I re-read the OP)
Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama
There are actually a few Indian casinos in Alabama, most notably Wind Creek owned by the Creek Indians. I have dreams of beating them out of a lot of money. Mainly because of this:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Mims_massacre
One of my 4th great-grandmothers, Penelope Farr Depriest, was killed at the Fort Mims massacre.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
November 19th, 2013 at 2:27:27 PM
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@ Mickeycrimm
You are correct about it being called "The Nenana ice classic"
http://explorenorth.com/nav/explorenorth-title10b.jpg
Friggin memory, pisses me off sometimes.
Your story about being hired at the bar seems familiar? Was it printed somewhere else?
You are correct about it being called "The Nenana ice classic"
http://explorenorth.com/nav/explorenorth-title10b.jpg
Friggin memory, pisses me off sometimes.
Your story about being hired at the bar seems familiar? Was it printed somewhere else?
November 19th, 2013 at 3:12:51 PM
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Quote: petroglyph@ Mickeycrimm You are correct about it being called "The Nenana ice classic"
http://explorenorth.com/nav/explorenorth-title10b.jpg
Friggin memory, pisses me off sometimes. Your story about being hired at the bar seems familiar? Was it printed somewhere else?
I don't think I've ever told the story of working in Nenana as a bartender from the summer of 82 until the spring of 83. I went from Moocher's bar, a dive joint, to the Landing Strip in Juneau, a somewhat fancy joint that sat 550 people. I also bartended at the Sunset Inn in Fairbanks, the Western Lounge in Anchorage, the Gold Rush Saloon in White Center, Washington, a suburb of Seattle, and the Vagabond in Canby, Oregon. The Vagabond was 1988 and it was about that time I decided to end my bartending career. It was like putting a bull in a china closet.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
November 19th, 2013 at 3:13:44 PM
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Quote: petroglyph@ Mickeycrimm You are correct about it being called "The Nenana ice classic"
http://explorenorth.com/nav/explorenorth-title10b.jpg
Friggin memory, pisses me off sometimes. Your story about being hired at the bar seems familiar? Was it printed somewhere else?
I don't think I've ever told the story of working in Nenana as a bartender from the summer of 82 until the spring of 83. I went from Moocher's bar, a dive joint, to the Landing Strip in Juneau, a somewhat fancy joint that sat 550 people. I also bartended at the Sunset Inn in Fairbanks, the Western Lounge in Anchorage, the Gold Rush Saloon in White Center, Washington, a suburb of Seattle, and the Vagabond in Canby, Oregon. The Vagabond was 1988 and it was about that time I decided to end my bartending career. It was like putting a bull in a china closet.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
November 19th, 2013 at 4:01:32 PM
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I haven't read through this topic, however, at last I checked only:
Utah & Hawaii had no gambling.
Utah & Hawaii had no gambling.
"I am your average American gambling idiot" - Me
November 19th, 2013 at 4:58:47 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsMy list is, without trying to look it up: (had to drop Tennessee after I re-read the OP)
Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama
NC has Harrah's Cherokee
November 19th, 2013 at 5:01:25 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusIt helps that the speed limit in Texas is so high and unenforced.
Ha, I've driven in Texas once and got pulled over going 80 in a (I believe) 75 driving I35 from Dallas to San Antonio. I must have been experiencing positive variance!
