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AZDuffman
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April 7th, 2010 at 2:06:52 PM permalink
Maybe I could have made a better title, but since I started the other one today, why not.

This article says FL could be the "Vegas of the East." While AC once had that title, if FL plays their cards right (no pun intended) I could see it happening. Surrounded by more conservative states that will be less likely to open up to many casinos; good weather; an already built-up tourist industry; and money from South America as well as the USA there may be some hope for FL.

And I am glad to see they will open to other bidders in a few years. I get POed that states allow Indian Casinos but will not let Harrah's, Steve Wynn, etc bid on concessions. Either you have gambling or you don't--quit hiding behind Indian Tribes.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/crist-seminole-tribe-sign-gambling-deal-that-seems-531295.html
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dlevinelaw
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April 7th, 2010 at 2:11:12 PM permalink
That's only the half of it, reps from sands were pitching in Fort Lauderdale last week for megaresorts on the beach.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/elections/fl-vegas-casinos-florida-20100311,0,1134931.story

In Broward County (fort lauderdale), we currently have 6 casinos (3 seminole, 3 pari-mutuel), and miami-dade county has 2 (pari-mutuel) and 1 indian casino (miccosukee). In addition, there are casino boats out of palm beach and the keys. Just a little west, Okeechobee has a seminole casino as well.

There are already casinos, so why not allow some bigger resorts to open? Also, the distinction between card and non-card games has gotta go: bring on the craps (only card-based games are allowed and then it is just in 2 casinos, 1 in Fort Lauderdale, 1 in Tampa).
AZDuffman
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April 7th, 2010 at 2:13:10 PM permalink
Quote: dlevinelaw

That's only the half of it, reps from sands were pitching in Fort Lauderdale last week for megaresorts on the beach.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/elections/fl-vegas-casinos-florida-20100311,0,1134931.story

In Broward County (fort lauderdale), we currently have 6 casinos (3 seminole, 3 pari-mutuel), and miami-dade county has 2 (pari-mutuel). In addition, there are casino boats out of palm beach and the keys.

There are already casinos, so why not allow some bigger resorts to open? Also, the distinction between card and non-card games has gotta go: bring on the craps (only card-based games are allowed and then it is just in 2 casinos, 1 in Fort Lauderdale, 1 in Tampa).



What are the pari-mutuels? Just racing; calss 2 slots; or some other player banking?
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dlevinelaw
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April 7th, 2010 at 2:22:17 PM permalink
They are all Class III facilities. The Isle Casino in Pompano is tied to the Pompano harness race track, The Mardi Gras Casino in Hollywood is tied to the Hollywood Greyhound Track, Gulfstream Casino is tied to Gulfstream Racetrack. They have shufflemaster virtual BJ and video poker, but no table games.

In Dade, Magic City casino is attached to the Flagler Greyhound track and Calder Casino is attached to the Calder racetrack.
Malaru
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April 7th, 2010 at 2:42:37 PM permalink
small correction to make for you- the Seminoles have table games in immokalee as well. I dont know whats special/diffrent for that location but both hard rocks + the immokalee location. just clearification. :)

http://www.seminoleimmokaleecasino.com/casino/table-games



the pari-mutuals WERE class II, but part of this agreement ot allow table games that everyone finally agreed to was to allow pari's to have class III- so thats a brand new change.
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DeMango
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April 7th, 2010 at 7:44:51 PM permalink
Hey guys, where's the craps??? Yes I drive past HR Tampa for 7 hours to get to Biloxi (12 for Tunica) A real casino has all the games. The big four is BJ, Bac, Roulette and Craps. Until the last two get here and table minimums become reasonable, I will keep on driving. By the way anyone who happens to live here please give my an address to write to, to complain of the above deficiencies. You want Las Vegas FL??? Give us ALL the games!
Malaru
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April 7th, 2010 at 8:12:54 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Hey guys, where's the craps??? Yes I drive past HR Tampa for 7 hours to get to Biloxi (12 for Tunica) A real casino has all the games. The big four is BJ, Bac, Roulette and Craps. Until the last two get here and table minimums become reasonable, I will keep on driving. By the way anyone who happens to live here please give my an address to write to, to complain of the above deficiencies. You want Las Vegas FL??? Give us ALL the games!





Not sure which one you want.... As there are LOTS of people involved (and yes thisis a slightly sarcastic/overabundant list of people) :D


(the following might be your best bet to ask someone WHY they cant do more then card games)
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Commitee on Regulated Industries for the state senate (Chairman- Sen. Dennis Jones)
404 S. Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1100
(850) 487-5957 / Senate VOIP 5957

http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/View_Page.pl?Tab=committees&Submenu=1&File=index.html&Directory=committees/senate/RI/


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Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Tampa
5223 North Orient Rd
Tampa, Florida 33610

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Seminole Gaming Administration
ONE SEMINOLE WAY, HOLLYWOOD FL, 33314 -1.866.222.7466

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http://www.hardrock.com/corporate/management/ (for all hard rock franchises)

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Office of Governor Charlie Crist
State of Florida
The Capitol
400 S. Monroe St.
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
"Although men flatter themselves with their great actions, they are not so often the result of a great design as of chance." - Francois De La Rochefoucauld
cclub79
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April 7th, 2010 at 8:15:15 PM permalink
There is a Casino Boat that offers Craps and Roulette out of Ft. Myers. I've not personally been on it, but relatives say it's not bad.
odiousgambit
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April 8th, 2010 at 1:18:35 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

quit hiding behind Indian Tribes.



This is getting strange, since many tribes had to go through lengthy legal periods of jumping through hoops to get casinos in a particular state. Often what the states allowed at first was for the Indian casinos to only have the type of gambling that is otherwise allowed in the state. Sometimes this meant only Bingo! Certainly it is one reason the Indian Casinos sometimes don't have everything, although today the reasoning behind allowing this and not that is getting arbitrary?

I agree that something is rotten in Denmark. Why are the Indian tribes, once resisted, now getting preferential treatment?
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FleaStiff
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April 8th, 2010 at 2:01:36 AM permalink
I am informed that the Fort Myers Beach gambling boat offers craps only Friday Morning to Sunday Evening.
It appears that formerly the minimum was 10.00 but now it is 5.00.
5x odds, I believe.
The same people who operate the gambling boat in Fort Myers Beach, FL operate a similar craft in South Carolina.
Sailings are 5 or 6 days a week, twice a day. Boarding Pass is a nominal ten dollars with frequent special promotions that effectively waive the boarding fees. Meals are served both in US waters and in International waters, but I believe alcohol might only be served in International waters.

It appears the boat is largely slot machines which are available elsewhere but the boat also offers several blackjack tables with attractive but speedy dealers, one roulette wheel, and a few other games. Craps is apparently available only Friday thru Sunday.

I would assume that market pressure from nearby Indian casinos that offer slot machines will soon bring an end to these Florida gambling boats.



There is also a differently owned and operated "boat" out of Palm Beach, but its engines are inoperable and it has to be towed in and out of port. The vessel is registered in Panama.

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