Las Vegas, FL?????????

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April 7th, 2010 at 2:11:12 PM permalink

That's only the half of it, reps from sands were pitching in Fort Lauderdale last week for megaresorts on the beach.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/elections/fl-vegas-casinos-florida-20100311,0,1134931.story

In Broward County (fort lauderdale), we currently have 6 casinos (3 seminole, 3 pari-mutuel), and miami-dade county has 2 (pari-mutuel) and 1 indian casino (miccosukee). In addition, there are casino boats out of palm beach and the keys. Just a little west, Okeechobee has a seminole casino as well.

There are already casinos, so why not allow some bigger resorts to open? Also, the distinction between card and non-card games has gotta go: bring on the craps (only card-based games are allowed and then it is just in 2 casinos, 1 in Fort Lauderdale, 1 in Tampa).

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April 7th, 2010 at 2:13:10 PM permalink

Quote: dlevinelaw
That's only the half of it, reps from sands were pitching in Fort Lauderdale last week for megaresorts on the beach.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/elections/fl-vegas-casinos-florida-20100311,0,1134931.story

In Broward County (fort lauderdale), we currently have 6 casinos (3 seminole, 3 pari-mutuel), and miami-dade county has 2 (pari-mutuel). In addition, there are casino boats out of palm beach and the keys.

There are already casinos, so why not allow some bigger resorts to open? Also, the distinction between card and non-card games has gotta go: bring on the craps (only card-based games are allowed and then it is just in 2 casinos, 1 in Fort Lauderdale, 1 in Tampa).

What are the pari-mutuels? Just racing; calss 2 slots; or some other player banking?

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April 7th, 2010 at 2:22:17 PM permalink

They are all Class III facilities. The Isle Casino in Pompano is tied to the Pompano harness race track, The Mardi Gras Casino in Hollywood is tied to the Hollywood Greyhound Track, Gulfstream Casino is tied to Gulfstream Racetrack. They have shufflemaster virtual BJ and video poker, but no table games.

In Dade, Magic City casino is attached to the Flagler Greyhound track and Calder Casino is attached to the Calder racetrack.

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April 7th, 2010 at 2:42:37 PM permalink

small correction to make for you- the Seminoles have table games in immokalee as well. I dont know whats special/diffrent for that location but both hard rocks + the immokalee location. just clearification. :)

http://www.seminoleimmokaleecasino.com/casino/table-games

the pari-mutuals WERE class II, but part of this agreement ot allow table games that everyone finally agreed to was to allow pari's to have class III- so thats a brand new change.

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April 7th, 2010 at 7:44:51 PM permalink

Hey guys, where's the craps??? Yes I drive past HR Tampa for 7 hours to get to Biloxi (12 for Tunica) A real casino has all the games. The big four is BJ, Bac, Roulette and Craps. Until the last two get here and table minimums become reasonable, I will keep on driving. By the way anyone who happens to live here please give my an address to write to, to complain of the above deficiencies. You want Las Vegas FL??? Give us ALL the games!

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April 7th, 2010 at 8:12:54 PM permalink

Quote: DeMango
Hey guys, where's the craps??? Yes I drive past HR Tampa for 7 hours to get to Biloxi (12 for Tunica) A real casino has all the games. The big four is BJ, Bac, Roulette and Craps. Until the last two get here and table minimums become reasonable, I will keep on driving. By the way anyone who happens to live here please give my an address to write to, to complain of the above deficiencies. You want Las Vegas FL??? Give us ALL the games!

Not sure which one you want.... As there are LOTS of people involved (and yes thisis a slightly sarcastic/overabundant list of people) :D

(the following might be your best bet to ask someone WHY they cant do more then card games)
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Commitee on Regulated Industries for the state senate (Chairman- Sen. Dennis Jones)
404 S. Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1100
(850) 487-5957 / Senate VOIP 5957

http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/View_Page.pl?Tab=committees&Submenu=1&File=index.html&Directory=committees/senate/RI/

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Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Tampa
5223 North Orient Rd
Tampa, Florida 33610

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Seminole Gaming Administration
ONE SEMINOLE WAY, HOLLYWOOD FL, 33314 -1.866.222.7466

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http://www.hardrock.com/corporate/management/ (for all hard rock franchises)

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Office of Governor Charlie Crist
State of Florida
The Capitol
400 S. Monroe St.
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001

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April 7th, 2010 at 8:15:15 PM permalink

There is a Casino Boat that offers Craps and Roulette out of Ft. Myers. I've not personally been on it, but relatives say it's not bad.

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April 8th, 2010 at 1:18:35 AM permalink

Quote: AZDuffman
quit hiding behind Indian Tribes.

This is getting strange, since many tribes had to go through lengthy legal periods of jumping through hoops to get casinos in a particular state. Often what the states allowed at first was for the Indian casinos to only have the type of gambling that is otherwise allowed in the state. Sometimes this meant only Bingo! Certainly it is one reason the Indian Casinos sometimes don't have everything, although today the reasoning behind allowing this and not that is getting arbitrary?

I agree that something is rotten in Denmark. Why are the Indian tribes, once resisted, now getting preferential treatment?

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April 8th, 2010 at 2:01:36 AM permalink

I am informed that the Fort Myers Beach gambling boat offers craps only Friday Morning to Sunday Evening.
It appears that formerly the minimum was 10.00 but now it is 5.00.
5x odds, I believe.
The same people who operate the gambling boat in Fort Myers Beach, FL operate a similar craft in South Carolina.
Sailings are 5 or 6 days a week, twice a day. Boarding Pass is a nominal ten dollars with frequent special promotions that effectively waive the boarding fees. Meals are served both in US waters and in International waters, but I believe alcohol might only be served in International waters.

It appears the boat is largely slot machines which are available elsewhere but the boat also offers several blackjack tables with attractive but speedy dealers, one roulette wheel, and a few other games. Craps is apparently available only Friday thru Sunday.

I would assume that market pressure from nearby Indian casinos that offer slot machines will soon bring an end to these Florida gambling boats.

There is also a differently owned and operated "boat" out of Palm Beach, but its engines are inoperable and it has to be towed in and out of port. The vessel is registered in Panama.

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April 8th, 2010 at 5:28:13 AM permalink

To my knowledge, all of the boats offer craps and none of the land-based casinos do.

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April 8th, 2010 at 5:48:23 AM permalink

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To my knowledge, all of the boats offer craps and none of the land-based casinos do.

That is correct. Craps is currently illegal under Florida law so the Indian casinos could not offer it and the Day Boats offer it only aboard a foreign flagged vessel in International Waters three miles off Palm Beach harbor or twelve miles off Fort Myers Beach. If the Palm Beach boat is still sailing (and if one can use the word sailing in reference to a boat that is towed due to inoperable engines) craps is offered on every cruise. On the Fort Myers Beach boat which recently adopted a schedule of Morning cruises only on Tuesdays through Sunday with Evening cruises on Friday through Sunday, it is unclear from their website how often craps is offered but a phone call revealed it was only Friday through Sunday. There is atleast one table with a Blackjack minimum of 5.00 with a maximum bet of 200.00 on morning cruises. Other blackjack tables go up to a 50.00 minimum with a 2,000.00 maximum. BJ is dealt FAST. Craps moves fairly fast too, I'm told but often only has a few players.

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April 8th, 2010 at 7:07:08 AM permalink

Flea,

Do you understand the rationale behind allowing card games at the Seminole casinos and not dice/wheel/tile games? I can't figure it out.

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April 8th, 2010 at 7:38:36 AM permalink

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Do you understand the rationale behind allowing card games at the Seminole casinos and not dice/wheel/tile games? I can't figure it out.

Partly it has to do with the extent to which activity on a Tribal Reservation can conflict with the laws of the state. It is related to history, ignorance and whims, but it is not in any way considered to be logical or sensible.

The original Federal court decision that gave the Indians on USA reservations authority to operate casinos only allowed the Indians to operate certain games. Clearly the Indians in California would love to have dice craps but California law prohibits a wager being determined by a roll of a die, so cards are used to simulate a die. Its weird and its foolish, but its the law.

In Florida, dice and roulette are illegal and so they are also illegal on an Indian Reservation. If you go to Miami you will see all these men of Cuban heritage playing dominoes. Every backyard has a BBQ and a Dominoes Table. I therefore think there would be a great market for Pai Gow Tiles, but the law does not allow it.

Some stumbling blocks were said to be the existing Blackjack at the smaller Indian casinos but the real problem in most states is that Indian casinos are very profitable and are a source of revenue for political re-election campaigns.

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May 21st, 2017 at 12:08:03 PM permalink

Find out why people say we have the highest-paying gaming machines in South Florida at Miccosukee Resort & Gaming.
I sent them one of those tweet thingies inviting them to PROVE IT and statig that people also say they have the lowest paying machines.
They pretty much told me to go get lost.

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May 21st, 2017 at 3:15:36 PM permalink

There are more recent articles on this topic, but I remember reading a few years ago about Disney's acquisition of Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm meant no more Iron Man and Star Wars slot machines, in addition to attempts to curb gambling in Florida.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/what-works-orlando-disney-politics-119167_Page2.html#.WSIQgYFlDv4

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Tourist in Florida are required to spend money with Disney. Money lost at casinos is money not spent at Disney.
Follow the mouse droppings.

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May 21st, 2017 at 7:09:24 PM permalink

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Tourist in Florida are required to spend money with Disney. Money lost at casinos is money not spent at Disney.
Follow the mouse droppings.

I have never liked anything Disney. Not enough violence in their cartoons!

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May 21st, 2017 at 7:54:59 PM permalink

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I have never liked anything Disney. Not enough violence in their cartoons!

Fairly sure I've never heard Mickey say many good things about you either.

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May 21st, 2017 at 9:34:08 PM permalink

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Fairly sure I've never heard Mickey say many good things about you either.

Awesome!! :-)

P.S. Walt was a Nazi.

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May 21st, 2017 at 10:15:17 PM permalink

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Awesome!! :-)

P.S. Walt was a Nazi.

And Goofy is a dog.

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May 21st, 2017 at 10:24:22 PM permalink

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And Goofy is a dog.

And all along, I thought he was a polar bear. Learn something new every day!

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