Horseshoe Casino Cleveland

Hey Everybody,

I'm planning on making a trip to Cleveland in a few months and was just wondering if anybody had any experience with the Horseshoe Casino Cleveland.

My "home" casino is Caesars Windsor, so I'll be happy that I'll be able to accumulate TR points in Cleveland.

How is the Craps situation at Cleveland? Do they typically have $5 or $10 tables? What are the odds?

How is the Video Poker situation in Cleveland? Do they have any 9/6 JoB or anything else noteworthy worth trying out?

How is the overall property? Do they have a good Buffet? How does the overall property compare to Caesars Windsor?

And of course any other helpful tips/hints to give me that haven't been covered by my dozen questions would be appreciated :)

Quote: etr102

How is the Craps situation at Cleveland? Do they typically have $5 or $10 tables? What are the odds?

How is the Video Poker situation in Cleveland? Do they have any 9/6 JoB or anything else noteworthy worth trying out?

Unforunately, I haven't been there personally so I can only relay what I have read on the internet.

Odds are great, as most (all?) Horseshoe properties offer 100X odds. But $5 tables will never exist. I'm not sure if they will have a $10 table either. Maybe weekdays/offpeak hours.

Video poker is somewhat poor as well unless you can afford dollars, as they have a 9/6 JoB Progressive.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/horseshoe-casino-cleveland

Quote: etr102

Hey Everybody,

I'm planning on making a trip to Cleveland in a few months and was just wondering if anybody had any experience with the Horseshoe Casino Cleveland.

My "home" casino is Caesars Windsor, so I'll be happy that I'll be able to accumulate TR points in Cleveland.

How is the Craps situation at Cleveland? Do they typically have $5 or $10 tables? What are the odds?

How is the Video Poker situation in Cleveland? Do they have any 9/6 JoB or anything else noteworthy worth trying out?

How is the overall property? Do they have a good Buffet? How does the overall property compare to Caesars Windsor?

And of course any other helpful tips/hints to give me that haven't been covered by my dozen questions would be appreciated :)

I haven't been there, thank God, even though it is relatively close at 80 miles. Machines are tight, tight, tight according to reports and VP is probably not going to be very good from what I remember hearing. All table games are notorious for really high minimums. The buffet has been said to be pretty good. One tip I remember is be sure to park in the right parking garage, since one deck has a sign up for casino parking but is not a part of the casino. I think if you're a hotel guest, you get free valet parking though.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

One tip I remember is be sure to park in the right parking garage, since one deck has a sign up for casino parking but is not a part of the casino.

Yeah I remember reading about this and that it is a sketchy walk from the far lot.

Quote: tringlomane

Yeah I remember reading about this and that it is a sketchy walk from the far lot.

It's well-lit and everything, but it's longer than it should be and nothing is well marked so it's definitely uncomfortable if you don't remember the way.

I forgot to mention parking is not free, costs $25 or $30 upfront I believe, and is reimbursed through a kiosk once 15 TR credits are earned. I heard people had been robbed leaving the casino, so be careful. They even search people before entering the place apparently.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

They even search people before entering the place apparently.

Really?!

For what, lucky rabbit's feet?

Wow. I'm starting to have second thoughts about stopping by the casino when I'm in town. Is it really in that bad of an area? Being a Windsorite, I've spent plenty of time in Detroit and have visited Motor CIty and MGM Grand Detroit. How does the area surrounding the Horseshoe Cleveland compare to the area surrounding Motor City, or MGM Grand Detroit? In both Detroit casinos I really don't spend much time in the neighborhood - I simply park in the attached garage and enter the casino. Can this be done at the Horseshoe Cleveland, or is parking off site?

Quote: MrV

Really?!

For what, lucky rabbit's feet?

The cover story is for weapons, but I think they are more motivated to find alcohol searching women's purses. I hear drinks are really expensive for a casino, something like $5-$7 a beer.

Parking is not attached OP. No matter the danger, it's probably pretty small of a risk. I know nothing about Detroit besides seeing the crazies on Hardcore Pawn. LOL.

Quote: etr102

Wow. I'm starting to have second thoughts about stopping by the casino when I'm in town. Is it really in that bad of an area? Being a Windsorite, I've spent plenty of time in Detroit and have visited Motor CIty and MGM Grand Detroit. How does the area surrounding the Horseshoe Cleveland compare to the area surrounding Motor City, or MGM Grand Detroit? In both Detroit casinos I really don't spend much time in the neighborhood - I simply park in the attached garage and enter the casino. Can this be done at the Horseshoe Cleveland, or is parking off site?

Horseshoe is right downtown. Parking is about 2 blocks from the casino. The neighborhood isn't bad - just restaurants, hotels, and office buildings. But, what that means is that there's nothing else open after midnightish. So with parking 2 blocks away, you're forced to walk alone on a completely deserted street in the middle of the night. That didn't scare me, but I could see how that would upset some folks.

There must be a low occupancy limit at Horseshoe or something. The entrances have club-style ropes and bouncers, which is a bit strange. But, the exterior doors open directly to the casino floor so I suppose that's needed to keep underaged people off the floor - it's not like other casinos where there's a non-gaming path from the door to the restaurants or anything. I've never been searched entering through these doors, though I was carded once.

Parking is expensive for sure. it's demand-sensitive, and was $25 I think when I parked in Horseshoe's lot. I easily played enough to get validated.

Quote: rdw4potus

Parking is expensive for sure. it's demand-sensitive, and was $25 I think when I parked in Horseshoe's lot. I easily played enough to get validated.

Do you have to get a players card or show ID to get validated? Thanks.

Quote: DanMahowny

Do you have to get a players card or show ID to get validated? Thanks.

I don't know. I did use my players club card to accomplish the task, but I'm not sure if there would have been a different method available.

Quote: DanMahowny

Do you have to get a players card or show ID to get validated? Thanks.

Considering all parking validation is contingent on earning 15 Tier Points one way or the other, I would say "Yes."

Edit: Actually I take that back...you can also purchase $25 worth of crap in the gift shop. That may not require a TR card (I really don't know). But you have to spend $25 on overpriced, worthless crap.

You might find a $10 table during the day on a week day. Evening it will always be $15 or $25. Yes you can get your parking pass validated with your players card. Yes you need to be careful walking in and out of the casino as you do anywhere but here you have public housing project apartments within walking distance of the casino so be prepared to be panhandled. The casino is also very narrow and not spacious but for being made out of an old classic dept store they did a nice job. Lots of table game players especially craps and Black Jack that have not even slightest clue. I have experienced alot of late bets and hands reaching in when the dice are in the air. The Black Jack tables are spectacles all unto their own.

If you are walking alone at night take a cab your head is worth the $20 then you do not have to worry about the parking garage. I live close and only go at night and use the lot or garages if I am with a group.

Quote: DanMahowny

Do you have to get a players card or show ID to get validated? Thanks.

Yes, because you must earn your points within a certain timeframe and swipe your Player's Club Card at the Kiosk.

Quote: etr102

Hey Everybody,

I'm planning on making a trip to Cleveland in a few months and was just wondering if anybody had any experience with the Horseshoe Casino Cleveland.

My "home" casino is Caesars Windsor, so I'll be happy that I'll be able to accumulate TR points in Cleveland.

How is the Craps situation at Cleveland? Do they typically have $5 or $10 tables? What are the odds?

How is the Video Poker situation in Cleveland? Do they have any 9/6 JoB or anything else noteworthy worth trying out?

How is the overall property? Do they have a good Buffet? How does the overall property compare to Caesars Windsor?

And of course any other helpful tips/hints to give me that haven't been covered by my dozen questions would be appreciated :)

FWIW, I've only been there once and posted my trip report to my blog:

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/mission146/blog/#post841

I went there only because of a Free Play Double offer they had going on, and though a very professional and kind host has since called me offering me rooms and food, I'd only go back if there were Free Play involved. While not close, I don't live far enough away to have any desire whatsoever to spend the night there.

Though others have posted to the contrary, the Minimum of a few Craps Tables was $10.00 when I was there, but it may have since been raised to $15. This was also during the early a.m. hours on what was technically Monday.

I know that they have a huge video poker alcove on the second floor with various denominations, but I apologize as I did not even glance at what games were offered.

The overall property is okay, but only if you were to put it somewhere else. The buffet was closed when I was there. I've never been to Ceasar's Windsor.

Hints....Hmmm....don't go at night if you value your life? Seriously, I'm 6'4", over 200, relatively young and strong, and well-versed in martial arts and I'd have picked a different time to go had I been fully cognizant of the location.

Thanks to all for the responses to my parking validation question.
I'm totally wasted. I think I will go throw up then go to bed. Good night everyone.

Quote: DanMahowny

Thanks to all for the responses to my parking validation question.
I'm totally wasted. I think I will go throw up then go to bed. Good night everyone.

Positive variance on the hangover, Dan! ;)

Quote: rdw4potus

Horseshoe is right downtown. Parking is about 2 blocks from the casino.

Parking is expensive for sure. it's demand-sensitive, and was $25 I think when I parked in Horseshoe's lot. I easily played enough to get validated.

Parking Garage Clarification:

The parking garage operated by the Casino is "kitty-corner" from
the southeast corner of the casino, so IF you know to park in that
garage, it is a VERY short walk.

If you are going north on I-77, get off at the East 9th st exit, it
curves around and you want to turn right on ONTARIO. Then
just past the Quicken Loans Arena, the parking garage entrance
is on the right.

It is relatively easy to get your 15 tier credits to get free parking,
or just buy some crap at the gift shop (which is located in the
first floor of the parking garage) and you will break even.

The buffet has been improved since HSC opened.

VP:

There are 18 9/6 JoB machines with a progressive on the RF
on the second floor in the VP area.

There are some 8/6 JoB 25 cent machines scattered in with
the 8/5 25 cent machines. So I don't think the VP is that
bad. It is at least as good as the CET VP on the strip,
right ?

Thanks JohnnyQ, if I ever make to Cleveland, I'll know to look at this thread first.

Quote: JohnnyQ

VP:

There are 18 9/6 JoB machines with a progressive on the RF
on the second floor in the VP area.

There are some 8/6 JoB 25 cent machines scattered in with
the 8/5 25 cent machines. So I don't think the VP is that
bad. It is at least as good as the CET VP on the strip,
right ?

It's definitely better, but that doesn't say tons. VP for CET in Vegas is basically the worst in the entire empire, except for a few places like Metropolis.

If you make the trip, pm me if you
are interested in saying hello........

Quote: tringlomane

VP for CET in Vegas is basically the worst in the entire empire, except for a few places like Metropolis.

It seems to me like those CET casinos should scatter in a few full pay VP machines. Most tourists won't care or know the difference, but the people who do would have a place to play. AND therefore the casino would not be losing the business of the people who do know the difference.

I wasn't sure if it is better to start a new thread or to dredge up this old one. But since this one is on topic, I went with it.

I'm headed to Cleveland in a few weeks. I'll have business during the day, but in the evenings, I'll have some free time and thought I might wander over to the Horseshoe once or twice. I was wondering if what was posted about the parking (scary & expensive but validatable) or the table limits ($15 and up in the evening) is still true, or have things changed in the last year and a half.

I'll probably want to play some VP, and Craps or BJ if I can find a $5 or $10 table, which, based on earlier posts, means I'll mainly be playing VP! I also might want to eat there.

Any updates or tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

If I am not mistaken, The Casino in Cleveland is owned by Dan Gilbert. He's a zillionaire land baron here in Detroit. Plus, he owns the Greektown Casino here in town. Detroit has 3 casinos, 4 if you include Windsor. I have only been in it 3 times and, it is a sewer. Recently, it has been losing money. Toledo has pulled a lot of players from Detroit as it is 100% non-smoking.

Quote: etr102

Hey Everybody,

I'm planning on making a trip to Cleveland in a few months and was just wondering if anybody had any experience with the Horseshoe Casino Cleveland.

My "home" casino is Caesars Windsor, so I'll be happy that I'll be able to accumulate TR points in Cleveland.

How is the Craps situation at Cleveland? Do they typically have $5 or $10 tables? What are the odds?

How is the Video Poker situation in Cleveland? Do they have any 9/6 JoB or anything else noteworthy worth trying out?

How is the overall property? Do they have a good Buffet? How does the overall property compare to Caesars Windsor?

And of course any other helpful tips/hints to give me that haven't been covered by my dozen questions would be appreciated :)

I've been here plenty of times. The BJ rules aren't the best... 8D, H17, No Surrender, DA2, DAS, no RSA. The PEN had been phenominal in the past (less than one deck on 8D) but the past couple times I've been there they were cutting 1.5-2 off...

I enjoy craps at the Horseshoe. Usually $10 tables during weekdays, even in the evenings; I played $10 craps last night around 8:30pm. The weekends are where they up their limits. You'll probably still be able to play $15 craps on the weekends. They used to do it more, but a lot less now... If there's a Cav's game on a Fri night or some big event at the nights they jack all the table limits up to $25 (bj/craps).

I don't have a lot of info on VP/slots because I don't play them. I do know they were investigated and had to pay a $180,000 fine for something with their slots. A lot of the reviews and other forums members said they have really tight slots. I'm not sure what they had to pay the fine for, but I would assume if it was having too tight slots they've made that change better after the fine.

I've been to tons and tons of casino's. The property itself is actually pretty decent. It's no Bellagio, but it's better than a million tiny dumps I've visited off the beaten path. Overall, it's a pretty decent casino. The buffet is middle of the road. I've had amazing buffets (Rivers in Pittsburgh) and crap $9.99 buffets that weren't worth it. I also had the buffet last night =p. It has your basic stations. Salad bar, pizza/chicken, dessert bar is great, carving stations with turkey and prime rib and mash potatoes, and an asian station with peppered steak, sweet chicken, rice, ribs, etc. Like I said, overall I consider their buffet middle of the road. Not amazing, but definitely a decent buffet. However this is without considering the price since I have comps to the buffet. I don't know about paying $28 for it, I don't think I would. They used to be really good with their comps. If I was there playing for 3-4 hours they'd give me a buffet voucher (for 2) for having been there long enough to need another meal for my day.

The last time I was at Casino Windsor was 10 years ago =D, so I doubt I could compare the two that well! More helpful tips to follow below while answering some other questions.

Quote: DanMahowny

Do you have to get a players card or show ID to get validated? Thanks.

Get a players card. It's valid at any ceasars property anywhere (vegas, AC, etc). You don't have to go wait at Total Rewards. Sit down at a table or slot and tell the PB or slot attendant that you want a players card. They'll take your ID and bring one back in a couple minutes while you play. When you're playing table games you just need to play for 30 minutes to get free parking. They have kiosks all over near the exits to swipe your card and get your little coupon.

During weekdays (maybe weekends I'm not sure if I misread) they have free parking regardless of the time limit as long as you have a players card after 6:00pm. Your best bet is to park on the 2nd or 3rd level of the parking deck. Then you can walk over to the elevator area and walk in or take the skywalk in. I like the skywalk and it takes you right in to what's usually the lowest limit pit (at any hour) of the whole casino. Once you're playing get a card and play for the day (or however long you like to play). If you play for 3-4 hours ask a PB for a buffet comp. If you don't get that they'll still almost always give you $10 to the food court, which is "okay" for your basic foods (burgers/pizza/etc).

Quote: JohnnyQ

If you make the trip, pm me if you are interested in saying hello........

PM me as well. Perhaps we could all meet up =).

Thanks for the thorough rundown, Romes -- especially the BJ report! I'm not a counter, so I can't take advantage of any good pen. Although, perhaps I should start if they're back to cutting out <1 deck! ;) Can I assume I can easily find a spot at a $10 BJ table on a non-Cavs game weekday night?

Hey, if they were fined for overly tight slots, shouldn't they have to salt their progressives or set the slots to 110% payback until their customers got back the full amount? ;) That's how I would do it if I was on the Gaming Board!

As for VP, I did note that VPFree2 says they have $1 progressive 9/6 JoB and $0.25 8/6 JoB. This doesn't seem too bad for a CET property.

Quote: Joeman

Thanks for the thorough rundown, Romes -- especially the BJ report! I'm not a counter, so I can't take advantage of any good pen. Although, perhaps I should start if they're back to cutting out <1 deck! ;) Can I assume I can easily find a spot at a $10 BJ table on a non-Cavs game weekday night?

No problem good sir. Yes, on a weekday night (even Cav's/Indians game) you can 'usually' find a seat fairly easy. As stated prior the pit coming in from the skywalk always has the lowest limits in the house. However weekdays they usually have $10 tables downstairs on the main floor as well.

Oh, and I saw someone else post they body search you for going in. That's not true at all, I've never once been searched nor anyone I know or was with. If you're a girl with a purse they'll take a quick look to see you don't have any food/drinks, but that's about it. It's right in downtown, which is not a "bad area" of Cleveland. It's a decent area with many fairs/festivals in the small park like area right in front of the casino.

Quote: Joeman

Hey, if they were fined for overly tight slots, shouldn't they have to salt their progressives or set the slots to 110% payback until their customers got back the full amount? ;) That's how I would do it if I was on the Gaming Board!

So, according to this ARTICLE, they were fined 180K for:

"The Horseshoe Casino Cleveland will pay $180,000 in fines for violating security and operating rules set by state law, regulators announced Wednesday {04/172013}.

Offenses include use of unapproved dice, mishandling keys, failing to post a problem-gambling hotline on promotional posters, encouraging cocktail servers to enter a restricted area between table games, replacing chips with quarters and improperly storing and shipping slot machines".

The article continues with a self-righteous quote from the Ohio Gaming Commission, who I believe are Casino lackey's with a fancy title. But that's a story for another day.

PM me....I;ll give you the full lowdown...if you haven't already visited.

Thanks Dolly, but I actually just got back.

I'm sure there is more to know, but this is what I found out:

PARKING: There is a garage located to the southeast of the casino, situated between the casino and Quicken Loans Arena ("The Q"). There are entrances are on Prospect Ave and Ontario St. On "event nights" signs indicated that the cost was $35. I'm not sure what the prices were for non-event nights because my parking was easily validated. To validate, you need to have a TotalRewards card and play 30 minutes at a table or accumulate 15 tier credits at a machine ($150 coin-in). Then, before you leave, swipe your card at one of the parking kiosks (not the general promotion kiosks), and you get a voucher to hand to the parking attendant upon exiting the garage.

BTW, the garage was well-lit, and I did not find it as scary as previous posters alluded to.

TABLES/LIMITS: There are plenty of BJ tables both on the 1st and 2nd floors. Rules were as Romes described above, with penetration at 75% - 80%, from what I saw. Limits were $15 and up on Sunday evening (after a Browns home game), and $10 and up on the Tuesday evening and Friday afternoon I was there. Craps tables are found on the 1st floor, and limits were $10, with 100x odds but stingy Field pay (2 to 1 on both 2 & 12). I did not play Roulette (0 & 00), but every table I checked had a $15 minimum!? Also, there were multi-player video versions of Craps, BJ, & Roulette on the floor for (I assume) lower minimums.

As for carnival games, I saw 3 Card Poker, 4 Card Poker, MS Stud, Ultimate Texas Holdem, and Let it Ride. Minimums were $10 on the Sunday I went, but $5 during the week.

There was also a separate High Limit room, which I did not venture into.

VP: There is a VP "alcove" on the 2nd floor. As previously posted here, the best game I found was the $1 9/6 JoB Progressive machines. There were also quite a few multi-game/multi-denomination (mostly .25-.50-$1, but some .05-.10-.25) machines. In addition, there were also a few Ultimate X and Super X Times Pay machines as well as a couple of 50- and 100-play games.

SLOTS: You put your money in, press a few buttons, reels spin, music plays, and your money disappears. That's about it.

FOOD: I ate at the buffet once and at the B-Spot in the food court once. The buffet was OK, but I expected a little more for the $29 they charged for it. Plus the drink service was very slow. I would go there again if I was comped (or expensed, as was the case here), but I don't think I would pay full price for it. Similarly, B-Spot was good, but expensive ($20 for a burger, fries and a drink!?). Oh, and I hope you like bacon-flavored fries, because they fry everything in LARD at the B-Spot!!

VIBE: Definitely hopping on the Sunday after the game, and a little more subdued during the week, although it ramped up again towards Friday Evening. For the most part, the dealers were friendly and professional. I encountered a few whose personality genuinely made the game fun.

MY EXPERIENCE: I won a little bit at Craps and 4CP, but lost it all back and then some to BJ and VP. I unfortunately hit a couple of bad shoes on the Friday before I was to fly out at an otherwise fun table. I did hit quads twice on the JoB machines, but no royal and not enough other smaller wins to keep me in the black. Judging by the Progressive being reset, it seems that the jackpot was hit at least 3 times during the week, and once while I was in the casino, though I didn't see it.

I'd like to say I will visit again, but this was a 1-time business trip, and I don't see my travels taking me to Cleveland in the future. Many thanks to Mission, Romes, JohnnyQ, and the other posters for their contributions to this thread!

Nice summary Joeman!

I got a chuckle out of the "Slots" section. :)

Quote: JohnnyQ

The buffet has been improved since HSC opened.

And an update..... I was there in October and the buffet has slipped from VERY GOOD to..... JUST GOOD BUT NOT GREAT, PROBABLY A BIT OVER-PRICED NOW.

The place was so-so. Slots seemed like a boring selection to me, just things seemed too plain in the offerings. Really just played long enough to get parking waived before a Browns game, then craps after. Got lucky on a hl slot by accident on Geisha, because I was playing 1 line, then when I reloaded, the machine reverted to 9 lines and I hit the bonus. I was hoping for thousands, but it was a plain Jane $250.

I haven't been back because I prefer smoking and there really isn't enough to be there besides UX. I think the parking coin has been drastically increases from $75 to $1,000 coin-in. It's no longer horseshoe and now called Jack, no longer part of CET. Wasn't searched coming from the garage, but was carded returning from street level following Browns game ending. Think they look in purses, can't remember, but think it is only from the street and not from the garage entrance. This was after a game and there was a crowd backed up, so id checks were for quickness getting inside.

Once you've in the Browns game now btw, no smoking area at floor level at all like there used to be.

Is the craps bubble machine still there?

Quote: alphastorm

Is the craps bubble machine still there?

Don't remember seeing one, but would visually ignore such a thing. Thinking about going back and will look when I go.

Quote: alphastorm

Is the craps bubble machine still there?

As of 2 months ago it was.

As of three weeks ago it was

Quit smoking- it's bad for you and to be honest you should not bother others- smoke by yourself and not when In casinos. I can't believe how beyond rude some people are with their habits that drastically effect others .

Quote: Wizardofnothing

...I can't believe how beyond rude some people are with their habits that drastically effect others .

I went off on a guy who lit up as soon as he sat down the other day who say next to me while he could've went to many other machines as I was the only one playing.

It happens to me at tables all the time- totally empty tables they pick mine and light up it's beyond rude

Quote: Wizardofnothing

It happens to me at tables all the time- totally empty tables they pick mine and light up it's beyond rude

I always try to make it a no smoking table.The dealers appreciate that also.

It reminds me of people that drive drunk..... drink all you want but don't infringe on my right to live
Yet these people blow smoke in my face- I hate it

Quote: Wizardofnothing

It reminds me of people that drive drunk..... drink all you want but don't infringe on my right to live
Yet these people blow smoke in my face- I hate it

I can tolerate smoke but my wife can't. I just hate how people couldn't care less when the smoke is going directly to you and they don't make an effort to hold it a different way. Also people who chain smoke drive me insane. It is one thing to have a cig but when they light a new one directly after the old one is done erks me.

Did anyone else notice the perks associated with the "Four Levels of Jack" ?

https://www.jackentertainment.com/cleveland/cards/

C level includes "Annual trip to Las Vegas" and "Annual trip with Norwegian Cruise Line®". I called about the cruise. Yep, there are a few $trings attached.

But I checked internet cruise discounter pricing, was more than satisfied with my out-of-pocket for a 7 day cruise through JACK, and got the same promo stuff that was on-line ( free gratuities, etc ) so I booked one for me and Mrs. Q.

The facts that it's quite clean, entirely smoke-free, and the people working there are unusually friendly are the best parts of that place.

Quote: ECoaster

The facts that it's quite clean, entirely smoke-free, and the people working there are unusually friendly are the best parts of that place.

I'll add the enclosed skywalk from the parking garage to your list. That wasn't there when it first opened.

Still waiting on Greektown to switch over to JACK. It'll be interesting to see if there are any changes.

Quote: GWAE

I can tolerate smoke but my wife can't. I just hate how people couldn't care less when the smoke is going directly to you and they don't make an effort to hold it a different way. Also people who chain smoke drive me insane. It is one thing to have a cig but when they light a new one directly after the old one is done erks me.

Amen bro.

Quote: JohnnyQ

I'll add the enclosed skywalk from the parking garage to your list. That wasn't there when it first opened.

Of course, the fact that the JACK re branding doubled the amount of play required for earning free parking in said garage for low-tier card holders is less attractive.

With respect to the smoking, I would just like to get it on record that I always ask everyone around me if smoke bothers them, unless they are already smoking. Furthermore, if I am sitting somewhere first and then someone sits next to/near me, I still ask that person if smoke bothers them. In the rare event I play tables, I'll also ask the dealers, but they always say, "Yours will just be a drop in the bucket," or something to that effect.