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kebaba
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March 15th, 2013 at 7:34:00 AM permalink
This is currently making big news down here, Crown casino hi-tech scam nets $32 million, but details of it are quite scant.

I can only assume it's a card counting-type system as gaining access to the surveillance system just means that you can see what is going on in real-time.

Another article about it - Crown casino made no formal complaint to police after $32 million scam

Edit: I'm assuming the game question is Baccarat, as that is what is normally played by 'high rollers'.
SOOPOO
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March 15th, 2013 at 10:02:10 AM permalink
Sooo... does the player win by being told what the dealer's undercard is in BJ? Is that something surveillance can see somehow?
Doc
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March 15th, 2013 at 10:18:23 AM permalink
Seems as if it would be useful in a poker room, but the casino itself would not be the one scammed out of money there; their complaint would just be against unauthorized access to their system, not loss of their money. I don't see how the camera images would help a player in any of the games vs. the casino that I usually play. Just what were the scammers supposed to be doing? Clocking a roulette wheel?
ewjones080
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March 15th, 2013 at 10:45:06 AM permalink
I'm reminded of an episode of Las Vegas. The casino gets a new "smart table" that's somehow supposed to bring in more money by tracking play in greater detail. The problem is there's an auto shuffler and the tech geek behind the scenes knows the exact order of the cards and if just one player will know if the player wins more or loses more, so the cohort can bet accordingly.
Maybe this was something similar??
rxwine
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March 15th, 2013 at 12:30:27 PM permalink
Well, it would be nice to have a camera recording every card it sees and someone taking care of the count outside of the game. Then you need some lax shuffling routines, and bored management who knows you are a big loser.

All that would help considerably.
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onenickelmiracle
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March 15th, 2013 at 3:37:43 PM permalink
This is a good example for anyone who claims nothing can be done against regulations because nobody has anything to gain. People keep on with their logical fallacies irregardless of stories like this.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
Mooseton
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:25:30 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

This is a good example for anyone who claims nothing can be done against regulations because nobody has anything to gain. People keep on with their logical fallacies irregardless of stories like this.



Care to elaborate?
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
onenickelmiracle
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:39:58 PM permalink
Quote: Mooseton

Care to elaborate?

The standard claim is the casino has too much to lose to do anything which would jeopardize its existence and this is blatantly untrue. The rules and regulations might be deterrents, but deterrents do not prevent a crime from happening. Just because a fine or sanction might be enough to put a major dent or death sentence on a casino, this does not mean they would not try. If an employee insider is able to use his position to get over on the casino, it is just as possible for them to act on its behalf in a similar pressure. I am not saying it is being done anywhere, but it has been done before, and it certainly can happen again.

Companies are ran by real human beings and are subjected to their emotions, thoughts, ideas, plans, realities. Most companies ever created have failed due to the actions of those running and working for them. I see a casino as no different than any other company, regulated or not.

A casino would not cheat, because cheating would jeopardize everything is not a valid argument.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
Mooseton
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:49:30 PM permalink
Thank you, I get it now. I dont have much to add but good post!
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:59:25 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Companies are ran by real human beings and are subjected to their emotions, thoughts, ideas, plans, realities. Most companies ever created have failed due to the actions of those running and working for them. I see a casino as no different than any other company, regulated or not.



I'm one of those "casinos don't cheat" guys, and I've a question.

I work in Surveillance. I watch tables all day. If I wanted to count down a shoe and signal a confederate, I could probably get away with updating him on the count every 4 rounds or so at least, if not every hand. I could likewise do it in reverse, telling the pit to shuffle and screw the players. If I wanted to get really grimey, I might even be able to get a player barred on the grounds of "AP", perhaps for no other reason than I don't like the cut of his jib. Pretty much, the only thing preventing this is my own integrity.

If I were to do that, and get caught, would you look at it as "another casino cheating", or would it be just some jerk wad employee being a scumbag?

Personally, I find there to be a distinction.
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