Should Wizard publish MKL's fire-inducing resignation PM?
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I vote No.
At least, not without MKL's permission.
Quote: ItsCalledSoccerEdited?!?
Anyways, I thought you'd left as well :)
Quote: thecesspitAnyways, I thought you'd left as well :)
Fair question. That was about MKL's return and just not wanting to be around the subsequent drama. But yeah, the letter of that post does say that I'm gone. I don't want to be MKL, so if I need to go, no worries.
Maybe I should start a new poll and ask the forum if I should go away permanently. If I do that and then resign one more time with a fire-inducing PM, then I can be just like him!
That's a bingo!
Quote: ItsCalledSoccerFair question. That was about MKL's return and just not wanting to be around the subsequent drama. But yeah, the letter of that post does say that I'm gone. I don't want to be MKL, so if I need to go, no worries.
Maybe I should start a new poll and ask the forum if I should go away permanently. If I do that and then resign one more time with a fire-inducing PM, then I can be just like him!
That's a bingo!
Just come back as His Holiness ICS I. And after that you can just buy your way out of all your problems.
Quote: ItsCalledSoccerFair question. That was about MKL's return and just not wanting to be around the subsequent drama. But yeah, the letter of that post does say that I'm gone. I don't want to be MKL, so if I need to go, no worries.
Only if you leave three times (and touch the ground twice while holding your nose) does it cound.
Quote:Maybe I should start a new poll and ask the forum if I should go away permanently. If I do that and then resign one more time with a fire-inducing PM, then I can be just like him!
That's a bingo!
Cool... but do it in public :)
It has been a bad day for me on other fronts too. I'd prefer to just get past it and move on.
Quote: WizardI don't plan to publish it. If I did, I think some would say it isn't THAT bad. However, I knew mkl personally and one comment in particular cut right to the heart.
It has been a bad day for me on other fronts too. I'd prefer to just get past it and move on.
I think that is wise. Sorry to hear things are not going so well today. I hope things are looking up for you soon.
Quote: WizardI don't plan to publish it. If I did, I think some would say it isn't THAT bad. However, I knew mkl personally and one comment in particular cut right to the heart.
He has a nasty little streak in him, that was covered by a pretense of "being honest".
Quote:It has been a bad day for me on other fronts too. I'd prefer to just get past it and move on.
In that case, indeed move on, control-alt-delete it and say no more.
Quote: thecesspitHe has a nasty little streak in him, that was covered by a pretense of "being honest".
It has been a bad day for me on other fronts too. I'd prefer to just get past it and move on.
In that case, indeed move on, control-alt-delete it and say no more.
Yup. And do the same to this thread, too. Sorry.
Quote: Wizard
It has been a bad day for me on other fronts too.
So banning MKL is a bad thing? I've tried and tried to see it that way and I'm just not able to. Now I have to change my sig line again, dang..
Sounds like I missed all the drama :(
Quote: weaselmanWhat fire?
Sounds like I missed all the drama :(
I see the post he got banned for, whats all this about a PM? Who said there was a PM, I don't see the Wiz mentioning it.
Let sleeping Jerrys lie.
Quote: EvenBobI see the post he got banned for,
Where are you looking?
Funny, you have him blocked, and still see more stuff then I do :)
Quote: weaselmanWhere are you looking?
Funny, you have him blocked, and still see more stuff then I do :)
Its all in the Pai Gow Tiles thread. I see the PM mention, I didn't read far enough.
Quote: JL2Can't you just picture him gritting his teeth as he reads through all this? What agony he must be experiencing,
I had him blocked and I think a lot of other people did too. I was seeing very few quotes of his posts and he was posting 15 to 20 times a day. All those posts and hardly any response to them, he must have noticed. Whats the fun of being incendiary if nobody notices because they blocked you.
Thank you Pai Gow Tiles for being so freaking confusing!
Quote: FinsRuleI get bonus points for starting the thread that got him banned.
This is how far we've sunk, taking credit for getting MKL banned? Well, just for the record, the 2nd time he was banned it was for insulting me. Mostly he was banned for insulting Jerry. How insulting Jerry could be a bannable offense is one of them there 'oxy-MORONS' you hear about..
Here's where he mentioned it:Quote: EvenBobI see the post he got banned for, whats all this about a PM? Who said there was a PM, I don't see the Wiz mentioning it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/4892-pai-gow-tiles-help/#post64400
Quote: DJTeddyBearHere's where he mentioned it:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/4892-pai-gow-tiles-help/#post64400
According to the Wiz's own rules, when someone leaves or is kicked out, they are no longer a member and we can say whatever we like about them. Hmmm, I have to think about this for awhile.
Quote: WizardI don't plan to publish it. If I did, I think some would say it isn't THAT bad. However, I knew mkl personally and one comment in particular cut right to the heart.
It has been a bad day for me on other fronts too. I'd prefer to just get past it and move on.
Well, most of us don't know you personally, but nearly everyone on here must consider you a very nice guy. So put this band aid
on that cut and consider it healed. You do a great job with your sites.
It is none of our business. PM's are private. I think publishing it without MKL's explicit permission would be unethical, no matter the content. (Exception. If he is threatening you or you need the PM as evidence for a lawsuit, then you can make it public through the appropriate legal process).Quote: WizardI don't plan to publish it. If I did, I think some would say it isn't THAT bad. However, I knew mkl personally and one comment in particular cut right to the heart.
It has been a bad day for me on other fronts too. I'd prefer to just get past it and move on..
Sorry about your bad day ... remember ... "This too shall pass" ...
--Ms. D.
Quote: DorothyGaleIt is none of our business. PM's are private. I think publishing it without MKL's explicit permission would be unethical, no matter the content. (Exception. If he is threatening you or you need the PM as evidence for a lawsuit, then you can make it public through the appropriate legal process).
Sorry about your bad day ... remember ... "This too shall pass" ...
--Ms. D.
Lawsuits because of comments on the Internet are almost non-existent, and policies of keeping PM's private are only a matter of courtesy. 100% no doubt this guy has mental issues, but I don't believe he threatened anyone or even would know how to do that. What he does thrive on is trying to make others look small in comparison, and since he got humiliated by being suspended he probably couldn't help himself with another verbal assault.
This is just false. They happen all the time. Just think of the lawsuits because of bullying on Facebook. What about the teacher who said nasty things about the student just yesterday and is already being sued? I have a girlfriend who is being sued for stuff she posted about 6 months ago -- for $20,000. I have had a lawyer threaten me for my posts on another board and call my boss with a cease-and-desist.Quote: JL2Lawsuits because of comments on the Internet are almost non-existent.
What about this: for example.
And if someone is a raging lunatic, as MKL appears to be, I sure wouldn't want to incite the person, life is too short to defend lawsuits ...
And, take a gander in the mirror ... are you the type of person who really wants to know that kind of dirt about someone? I think the high road here is to trust the people you trust ...
--Ms. D.
Quote: DorothyGaleThis is just false. They happen all the time. Just think of the lawsuits because of bullying on Facebook. What about the teacher who said nasty things about the student just yesterday and is already being sued? I have a girlfriend who is being sued for stuff she posted about 6 months ago -- for $20,000. I have had a lawyer threaten me for my posts on another board and call my boss with a cease-and-desist.
What about this: for example.
And if someone is a raging lunatic, as MKL appears to be, I sure wouldn't want to incite the person, life is too short to defend lawsuits ...
And, take a gander in the mirror ... are you the type of person who really wants to know that kind of dirt about someone? I think the high road here is to trust the people you trust ...
--Ms. D.
That seems to be paranoia taken to the nth degree because FORUM comments are never pursued legally. It's a big waste of time and no one can ever prove someone wasn't just expressing an opinion, which is allowed no matter what is said. This isn't Facebook or Twitter. 99.99% of everyone posting on forums are anonymous, and that same amount of time rotten comments are made on another completely anonymous person. I'll say it right here: from what I've read, Mr. mkl is a serious mental job. I'm no winner either, but if someone want to label me whatever, no damage is done because no one knows who I am.
False. Just false.Quote: JL2... FORUM comments are never pursued legally.
--Ms. D.
Quote: DorothyGaleFalse. Just false.
--Ms. D.
I looked, I couldn't find any. If you have an example please post it here so I may learn.
I was likewise curious at first, but I'd think the PM wouldn't differ much from any other post he's made when he was angry at someone. Just in this case, the recipient wasn't some random guy who happened to share the same forum, it was someone who actually had a personal relationship with him.
In any case, mkl's too passionate, the forum too interesting, and the Wiz too benevolent for this to be the last. We'll see him again, and then you can ask him.
I also believe he'll be back, because he's probably been banned from any and all other forums on the internet already. He's like the Reverend Wright of this place.
Quote: JL2I looked, I couldn't find any. If you have an example please post it here so I may learn.
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I'm just bored or else I could post many more ...
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--Ms. D.
Michael, I'm sorry to read that you personally were attacked. I know how much you care about doing what is right. I appreciate what you've done here, we don't say that enough. I will do my best to make that up to you somehow.
With respect to MKL, he just let people get to him. That's his falling. There were some things he was truly knowledgeable about, and was a valuable member of the forum. However, he spent an inordinate amount of time commenting about everything which made him appear as a know-it-all. He eventually became a target of many people, including myself, because he could never admit error. There are other members with the same issue on this forum but they clearly are not as eloquent as MKL. The problem is that someone who is very intelligent should also realize that this is an online forum. If you don't like something you see, ignore it for a while, then respond if you feel that you need to. Turn the other cheek.
I hope everything else is well in your life.
Quote: EvenBobAre PM's still sacred after the person leaves the forum willingly?
My personal opinion is that once someone sends you a PM (just like a physical letter) it becomes your property and you should be free to do whatever you like with it. Wizards rule though so I guess we should respect that.
That's why they are called PRIVATE messages.
Quote: AussieMy personal opinion is that once someone sends you a PM (just like a physical letter) it becomes your property and you should be free to do whatever you like with it.
I also think this rule is odd. As has happened in the past, it allows posters to take shots at others in private, while protecting whatever reputation(!) they may have on the public board. If two parties have information to exchange, they can swap e-mail addresses.
Quote: CalderI also think this rule is odd. As has happened in the past, it allows posters to take shots at others in private, while protecting whatever reputation(!) they may have on the public board. If two parties have information to exchange, they can swap e-mail addresses.
I like the rule because without it there could be a running battle where someone posts PMs that cast another member in an unfavorable light while failing to post those that would cast himself in that same light. Yes, the offended party could post those other PMs, but the person who attacked first could do some damage to a reputation before any repairs could be made.
If someone does something wrong in a PM (attacks, name calling, etc.) it can still be reported to the Wizard for action.
This is so widely discussed and debated, and there is so much litigation at all levels with regard to these copyright principles, that it is impossible to say anything is absolute. However, what's clear, is that the law usually tends to side with the composer as the copyright holder, and rarely the receiver. I have to admit, I am reasonably well educated on this issue -- but I also don't want to engage in a debate about it -- so do your own research ...Quote: AussieMy personal opinion is that once someone sends you a PM (just like a physical letter) it becomes your property and you should be free to do whatever you like with it. Wizards rule though so I guess we should respect that.
As for anonymity on forums, I have tracked users via IP to their house looking at log files from forums. To create an account you usually need an email address of some sort. Those can also be tracked directly to the computer that sends the email. So, if you want to do all your forum stuff from a Kinko's work station and buy time with cash, or you use a proxy server, or you get an AOL account, you can probably be anonymous. But most don't go to those lengths, and your identity is just a couple of mouse clicks away.
Privacy is a fundamental issue. So are property rights. Neither is outside the scope of the law just because it's on an Internet message board.
--Ms. D.
So I would be rather pissed off if someone put out slander/libel (I always forget which one is which) about me.
Quote: DorothyGale
As for anonymity on forums, I have tracked users via IP to their house looking at log files from forums. To create an account you usually need an email address of some sort. Those can also be tracked directly to the computer that sends the email.
--Ms. D.
Really. You're better than the FBI, then. They can only get as far as the area the IP is in and have to get a subpoena from a judge to get the actual street address from the internet provider. I used to own a franchise shipping outlet and a couple times a month somebody with a badge would come in demanding info on a boxholder. I couldn't give it to them without a court order, just like the IP provider. Its called right to privacy. Its a common fallacy that somebody can easily find you and knock on your door because they have your IP address. They can't. Google 'Can someone find me with thru my IP address' and you'll get more info than you can use.
