Pai Gow Tiles Help
March 28th, 2011 at 12:26:20 PM
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So, I've spent most of this afternoon trying to learn Pai Gow tiles.
I definitely understand the general concept. What I'm struggling with is the strategy.
If I can set a hand at 6,7 or 5,8 I'm supposed to do 6,7 to get the better low hand. But if it's something like 9,0 or 7,2 I want to do the better high hand. I understand this concept too, but I'm having a tough time remembering the cutoff.
Does anyone have general advice to learning the basic strategy part of this game? Also, if I'm screwing up things like doing 5,8 instead of 6,7, will I get killed playing this game, or is it a pretty minor error?
Thanks for the help guys.
I definitely understand the general concept. What I'm struggling with is the strategy.
If I can set a hand at 6,7 or 5,8 I'm supposed to do 6,7 to get the better low hand. But if it's something like 9,0 or 7,2 I want to do the better high hand. I understand this concept too, but I'm having a tough time remembering the cutoff.
Does anyone have general advice to learning the basic strategy part of this game? Also, if I'm screwing up things like doing 5,8 instead of 6,7, will I get killed playing this game, or is it a pretty minor error?
Thanks for the help guys.
March 28th, 2011 at 1:11:53 PM
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I could tell you how I play these hands, but it probably wouldn't match the JB/wizard strategy. I know those guys answered your exact question in another thread not too long ago.
In terms of general advice, I'd say "don't worry about it too much". You clearly understand the concept. The average hand is a 5/9, so your hands should be balanced or unbalanced relative to this average to provide the best chance to win (good hand) or tie (bad hand). This makes the decision of 0/9 over 2/7 pretty obvious. For the cases you mention which are borderline either way, the impact of a wrong decision is usually fairly minor.
You can use the wizard's calculator to evaluate particular cases. For the case you mention, I created a hand of H6/L8/9/L10. The calculator says the return for 6/7 is -23.7%, and 5/8 is -25.3%. I'd estimate you need to make a decision similar to this about once every 5 or 6 hands, so the total impact on house edge is about 0.2%. You want to figure it out in the long run, but you're not going to get "killed" if you do it wrong a few times while you're learning.
In terms of general advice, I'd say "don't worry about it too much". You clearly understand the concept. The average hand is a 5/9, so your hands should be balanced or unbalanced relative to this average to provide the best chance to win (good hand) or tie (bad hand). This makes the decision of 0/9 over 2/7 pretty obvious. For the cases you mention which are borderline either way, the impact of a wrong decision is usually fairly minor.
You can use the wizard's calculator to evaluate particular cases. For the case you mention, I created a hand of H6/L8/9/L10. The calculator says the return for 6/7 is -23.7%, and 5/8 is -25.3%. I'd estimate you need to make a decision similar to this about once every 5 or 6 hands, so the total impact on house edge is about 0.2%. You want to figure it out in the long run, but you're not going to get "killed" if you do it wrong a few times while you're learning.
March 28th, 2011 at 1:14:23 PM
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One other thing. Normally these dilemmas occur when your hand isn't very good, and you're mostly trying to salvage a tie. The house way frequently maximizes the low hand on these type of hands. So your best chance to tie is by maximizing your high hand. This is where the basic strategy frequently differs from the house way.
March 28th, 2011 at 1:15:57 PM
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As Papa said, don't worry about it much.
Yeah, it gives the house a little more edge, but, particularly when you're still learning the game, it's not enough to get nuts about.
If you do 5,8 instead of 6,7 - look at the results. You probably would have gotten the same result regardless.
Far more important is to recognize those Wongs, Gongs, and unmatched pairs. Miss those and you're giving up a lot!
Yeah, it gives the house a little more edge, but, particularly when you're still learning the game, it's not enough to get nuts about.
If you do 5,8 instead of 6,7 - look at the results. You probably would have gotten the same result regardless.
Far more important is to recognize those Wongs, Gongs, and unmatched pairs. Miss those and you're giving up a lot!
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March 28th, 2011 at 2:06:30 PM
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The other issue I'm having is when I have a hand where either way I play it, I have a 9 / Gong. But one way is right, one way is wrong. I'm sure the issue has to do with ranking, and which way is better to have a higher hand in case of a tie, but how am I ever going to remember which one I want where?
I don't like playing games unless I have a pretty good idea of perfect strategy. That's why this Pai Gow Tiles thing is so frustrating for me. But I'm kinda enjoying it....
I don't like playing games unless I have a pretty good idea of perfect strategy. That's why this Pai Gow Tiles thing is so frustrating for me. But I'm kinda enjoying it....
March 28th, 2011 at 2:50:24 PM
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This is probably a matter of arranging high and low tiles. It's the last thing about the game that I learned. Say you have 12, 11, high 8 and low 8. The two highest tiles are the 12 and the high 8. If you play them together, the high 8 has no value (only the highest tile in the hand counts toward its "tiebreaker" value). In this case, the 11 is the strongest tile in the 9 hand. If you play the 12 with the low 8, now the high 8 makes the 9 a bit stronger. You gain a little bit in the 9 without affecting the value of the gong.
I'd estimate you only have to make a judgement like this once every 20 or 30 hands, and the effect on the outcome is pretty small. It only matters if the dealer's low hand is a 9 with a high tile in between the 11 and the high 8. The wizard's calculator says the difference is about 3%.
I'd estimate you only have to make a judgement like this once every 20 or 30 hands, and the effect on the outcome is pretty small. It only matters if the dealer's low hand is a 9 with a high tile in between the 11 and the high 8. The wizard's calculator says the difference is about 3%.
March 28th, 2011 at 3:11:05 PM
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Here is a very simple strategy.
1. Try to get the low hand as high as possible. If it is 5 to 8, play that.
2. If you can't go the low to 5, maximize the high if you can get it up to 7. If you can't do that, then go back to maximizing the low.
3. If you can get the low higher than 8, then maximize the high.
1. Try to get the low hand as high as possible. If it is 5 to 8, play that.
2. If you can't go the low to 5, maximize the high if you can get it up to 7. If you can't do that, then go back to maximizing the low.
3. If you can get the low higher than 8, then maximize the high.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 28th, 2011 at 4:18:16 PM
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Don't bother with learning the individual tile rankings if you have two ways to set the same numerical-value hand. Too confusing, and doesn't add much to the return. Learn the basics first, like pairs. Beware, though, those unmatched pairs are easy to miss! (And even when you catch them, like I did, playing them together might not even be the best play! (still kicking myself for that one))
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March 28th, 2011 at 5:11:09 PM
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Though this is not a universal rule, House Way tends to maximize the low hand at the expense of the high hand UNLESS the highest possible low hand is a low 3 or worse, in which case the low hand is sacrificed to make the high hand as high as possible, to try to salvage a tie. For example, 12, low 9, low 6, low 4 would be played as 0-Wong, but 12, low 9, low 6, high 4 would be played as 3-8 (I'm not even certain of this example, but I just wanted to illustrate the decision point).
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March 28th, 2011 at 6:31:40 PM
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mkl654321, in the example above both hands are zero wong, the house way
March 28th, 2011 at 6:53:23 PM
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I created a cheat sheet:
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I don't have a color printer, so I use a pink highlghter to color the appropriate pips.
No reason you can't make your own cheat sheet. All the tiles, with correct color and rank, are shown on the Wiz' various PGT Pages.
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I don't have a color printer, so I use a pink highlghter to color the appropriate pips.
No reason you can't make your own cheat sheet. All the tiles, with correct color and rank, are shown on the Wiz' various PGT Pages.
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March 28th, 2011 at 7:06:26 PM
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Very helpful, thanks.
I think the only tricky part (er, most tricky part) is the rank of the tiles.
I think I could go to a casino and hold my own, but I'm still a little bit away from the optimal strategy.
I think the only tricky part (er, most tricky part) is the rank of the tiles.
I think I could go to a casino and hold my own, but I'm still a little bit away from the optimal strategy.
March 28th, 2011 at 7:06:55 PM
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One of the areas I have had some challenge was determining when to play high 9 vs playing a gong or wong. Could someone explain the reasoning on the strategy behind when to play the different combinations.
March 28th, 2011 at 7:14:33 PM
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Quote: appistappismkl654321, in the example above both hands are zero wong, the house way
Are you sure? I was told about this specific hand as an example of when the high 3 or low 3 is crucial to the decision.
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March 28th, 2011 at 7:16:46 PM
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I'm talking the house way, not any playing strategy......I have been dealing tiles for 15 years.
March 28th, 2011 at 7:52:38 PM
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Quote: mkl654321Are you sure? I was told about this specific hand as an example of when the high 3 or low 3 is crucial to the decision.
It's not crucial to the decision if a Wong, gong or high 9 can be made. They will always play one of these if possible regardless of how bad it makes the low hand. Hands without one of these you are correct.
March 28th, 2011 at 8:06:10 PM
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Quote: AussieIt's not crucial to the decision if a Wong, gong or high 9 can be made. They will always play one of these if possible regardless of how bad it makes the low hand. Hands without one of these you are correct.
I think that's the difference--House Way is different from optimal player strategy, since the house wins copies. I seem to remember Stanford Wong's analysis (for proper player strategy against the most common House Way) favoring hands like high 3/high 8 over zero/Wong. Playing House Way costs the player a fair amount vs. the optimal player strategy.
I wish I could dredge up a copy of Wong's analyses, but I haven't seen the book for some time. I know his optimal player strategy for Pai Gow Poker was often surprisingly counterintuitive.
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March 29th, 2011 at 2:52:14 AM
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I have never read any of Wong's analysis but I doubt he would have come up with 3-8 being the best play. According to the Wizard's Pai Gow calculator 0-Wong is the best play with an EV of -0.18. 3-8 comes in well behind at -0.36. 0-Wong is definitely how I would play it too.
March 29th, 2011 at 10:18:50 AM
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Quote: AussieI have never read any of Wong's analysis but I doubt he would have come up with 3-8 being the best play. According to the Wizard's Pai Gow calculator 0-Wong is the best play with an EV of -0.18. 3-8 comes in well behind at -0.36. 0-Wong is definitely how I would play it too.
What about the difference between house and player strategies? 0/Wong is an automatic loser for the player if the dealer has the same Wong or better in back, but is an automatic push for the house if the player has the same Wong or worse in back, plus, the house wins if the player sets Wong/Gong/9 (etc.)-zero. I would think that the house winning all those big/zero hand-to-hand confrontations would make zero-Wong a LOT more attractive for the house, and conversely, a LOT less attractive for the player.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
March 29th, 2011 at 3:45:03 PM
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I'm aware of how the game works re: 0 hands for the player. I'm just telling you what the Wizard's own calculator says about the hands. Unless you're saying the Wizard (not a mathematical novice by any means) is wrong then 0-Wong is the correct play from an EV point of view and by a considerable margin. But if you want to give up near 0.2 of a bet in EV every time that comes up then be my guest (particularly if I'm taking the bank at the same table).
March 29th, 2011 at 7:32:29 PM
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Is the WoO site down? I've been trying to learn the tiles myself, and now I can't get back to the game.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:06:30 PM
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Quote: FarFromVegasIs the WoO site down? I've been trying to learn the tiles myself, and now I can't get back to the game.
Yes, it has been down for several hours. Nothing I can do about it, the problems is with the domain host.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 31st, 2011 at 3:10:52 PM
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Quote: AussieI'm aware of how the game works re: 0 hands for the player. I'm just telling you what the Wizard's own calculator says about the hands. Unless you're saying the Wizard (not a mathematical novice by any means) is wrong then 0-Wong is the correct play from an EV point of view and by a considerable margin. But if you want to give up near 0.2 of a bet in EV every time that comes up then be my guest (particularly if I'm taking the bank at the same table).
So rather than admit he was wrong MKL just slinks off and forgets all about this topic. Why am I not that surprised? :s
March 31st, 2011 at 6:04:59 PM
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Quote: AussieSo rather than admit he was wrong MKL just slinks off and forgets all about this topic. Why am I not that surprised? :s
Because you're---how shall I say it---you?
Not every thread is a pissing contest, Aussie buddy. I can neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of the Wiz's Pai Gow calculator, nor do I know what house way it takes into account. Therefore I didn't have any more to say about the subject.
In the future, of course, in the interest of fairness, we should assume that in any discussion where YOU don't get in the last word, you have just "slinked off", because of some awful personal flaw of yours about which we should not be surprised.
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March 31st, 2011 at 8:21:40 PM
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Lol
You'll come up with anything to avoid admitting you're wrong won't you? Normal people have no problem with being wrong but not you.
Well why don't we ask the Wizard how it was worked out and if 3-8 could ever possibly be the best way to play the hand (excluding knowing many of the other players tiles) Wiz/JD?
You'll come up with anything to avoid admitting you're wrong won't you? Normal people have no problem with being wrong but not you.
Well why don't we ask the Wizard how it was worked out and if 3-8 could ever possibly be the best way to play the hand (excluding knowing many of the other players tiles) Wiz/JD?
March 31st, 2011 at 8:28:11 PM
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Quote: AussieLol
You'll come up with anything to avoid admitting you're wrong won't you? Normal people have no problem with being wrong but not you.
Well why don't we ask the Wizard how it was worked out and if 3-8 could ever possibly be the best way to play the hand (excluding knowing many of the other players tiles) Wiz/JD?
At this point, who f***ing cares? Yes, 0-9 probably IS the best mathematical way to play the hand. But you couldn't disagree in a civil manner, could you? I think the image of an Australian as a crude, mannerless boor is a stereotype, and probably a false one, but my God, you're doing a lot to reinforce it. And you, my friend, are far more "abnormal" than I am.
Tell you what--I'll "admit" I was wrong if you'll "admit" to having been a complete, unmitigated asshole about it.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
April 1st, 2011 at 5:59:02 AM
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Quote: mkl654321At this point, who f***ing cares? Yes, 0-9 probably IS the best mathematical way to play the hand. But you couldn't disagree in a civil manner, could you? I think the image of an Australian as a crude, mannerless boor is a stereotype, and probably a false one, but my God, you're doing a lot to reinforce it. And you, my friend, are far more "abnormal" than I am.
Tell you what--I'll "admit" I was wrong if you'll "admit" to having been a complete, unmitigated asshole about it.
Personal insult. Per my Martingale policy -- two week ban this time.
By the way, 0-wong is by far the best way to play that hand.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 1st, 2011 at 6:14:51 AM
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Quote: WizardPersonal insult. Per my Martingale policy -- two week ban this time.
Woo hoo!
Two more weeks of fresh air!
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April 1st, 2011 at 8:48:59 AM
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Quote: WizardPersonal insult. Per my Martingale policy -- two week ban this time.
Hope this isn't just an April Fools joke lol
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April 1st, 2011 at 9:28:21 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearWoo hoo!
Two more weeks of fresh air!
Update: mkl just resigned permanently.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 1st, 2011 at 9:30:56 AM
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Quote: WizardUpdate: mkl just resigned permanently.
Great!
But it's the second time he's done so. I guess he had to match Rob Singer...
And of course it is April 1st. he may be having his own little, private joke.
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April 1st, 2011 at 9:46:00 AM
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Quote: NareedAnd of course it is April 1st. he may be having his own little, private joke.
I don't think so. My monitor nearly caught on fire after displaying the words in his resignation. I do not want to go through that again.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 1st, 2011 at 9:56:44 AM
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Quote: WizardI don't think so. My monitor nearly caught on fire after displaying the words in his resignation. I do not want to go through that again.
Can you distribute that via PM?
I'm guessing not...
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
April 1st, 2011 at 10:03:56 AM
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Quote: WizardI don't think so. My monitor nearly caught on fire after displaying the words in his resignation. I do not want to go through that again.
I'm afraid to even ask the details. Amazing the ire that guy raised in the 236 days he was here (not including suspensions.)
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April 1st, 2011 at 10:08:44 AM
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Probably just a coincedence.Quote: WizardMy monitor nearly caught on fire . . . .
Your beer mug sin is catching up with you.
LOL
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April 1st, 2011 at 10:16:32 AM
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Quote: WizardI don't think so. My monitor nearly caught on fire after displaying the words in his resignation. I do not want to go through that again.
He's such a classy guy.
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April 1st, 2011 at 10:36:06 AM
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I don't understand. I used to sometimes get into heated arguments on forums, only to go out for frds/family/work, come back online the next day and wonder what the heck was the big deal; and even that went away after I graduated. How can someone sit out a 2 or 3 week suspension and still be so pissed at everyone.
April 1st, 2011 at 10:45:21 AM
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Quote: WizardUpdate: mkl just resigned permanently.
Again? Isn't this the 3rd time he's resigned permanently?
Don't buy it. He'll be back. Because some things never change.
BTW, just for shits and giggles, you should post his PM. It's your forum, and I for one would be willing to grant you an executive exemption just this once ...
April 1st, 2011 at 10:48:09 AM
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Quote: ItsCalledSoccerAgain? Isn't this the 3rd time he's resigned permanently?
Don't buy it. He'll be back. Because some things never change.
BTW, just for shits and giggles, you should post his PM. It's your forum, and I for one would be willing to grant you an executive exemption just this once ...
Sounds like a Papal Indulgence the Catholics used to sell. Since we're on the Catholic thing here.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
April 1st, 2011 at 10:48:59 AM
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Quote: ItsCalledSoccerAgain? Isn't this the 3rd time he's resigned permanently?
Don't buy it. He'll be back. Because some things never change.
BTW, just for shits and giggles, you should post his PM. It's your forum, and I for one would be willing to grant you an executive exemption just this once ...
Plus plus.
He's retired more times than the Rolling Stones. I can't believe he'd get so angry about being 86'd.
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April 1st, 2011 at 10:49:03 AM
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Quote: FarFromVegasSounds like a Papal Indulgence the Catholics used to sell. Since we're on the Catholic thing here.
Hehehe! Just call me His Holiness ICS the First!
April 1st, 2011 at 11:01:32 AM
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It is a weird thing. I was online in college 1991-1993 when it was maybe 30-50 people on a campus of 8,000+ who were really active online. Most people you could have a heated dicussion but also have a beer with at the end of the day. Then there were the ones who were a little disturbed. One I remember actually got a whole BBS shut down for his actions. (Things were very tight and the idea of even having a BBS back then annoyed some faculty.) The really problem ones would actually stalk female users online. Put another way, "not everyone is as normal as you are."
I'd like to challenge the board to forget about all three of them after this weekend and get back to what is important, such as:
blackjack
sports betting
closure of Sahara
Erin Burnett vs Maria Bartiromo..........
I'd like to challenge the board to forget about all three of them after this weekend and get back to what is important, such as:
blackjack
sports betting
closure of Sahara
Erin Burnett vs Maria Bartiromo..........
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
April 1st, 2011 at 11:03:48 AM
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Can't we talk about ...
opening weekend
Butler v. VCU and UK v. UConn
NFL walkout
NBA stretch run
NHL stretch run
Weeds
Dexter
why Viagra costs over $20 a pill
???
:P
opening weekend
Butler v. VCU and UK v. UConn
NFL walkout
NBA stretch run
NHL stretch run
Weeds
Dexter
why Viagra costs over $20 a pill
???
:P
April 1st, 2011 at 4:57:56 PM
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Well I never thought someone could possibly flip out as much over being wrong about something. As I said, normal people have no problem being wrong, we know that we're not experts in every field of life. For know-all's on the other hand its probably the hardest thing they will ever have to face. Its quite sad really. The resignation on the other hand is a huge plus to the forum even if it is only temporary.
As to my original point, could the Wiz or JD give an explanation to those who might not have played the game a huge amount as to why 12/9/L6/H4 should be played 0-Wong and not 3-8?
As to my original point, could the Wiz or JD give an explanation to those who might not have played the game a huge amount as to why 12/9/L6/H4 should be played 0-Wong and not 3-8?
April 1st, 2011 at 5:23:26 PM
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Quote: AussieWell I never thought someone could possibly flip out as much over being wrong about something. As I said, normal people have no problem being wrong, we know that we're not experts in every field of life. For know-all's on the other hand its probably the hardest thing they will ever have to face. Its quite sad really. The resignation on the other hand is a huge plus to the forum even if it is only temporary.
As to my original point, could the Wiz or JD give an explanation to those who might not have played the game a huge amount as to why 12/9/L6/H4 should be played 0-Wong and not 3-8?
Because you will lose less money by playing 0- wong. Over the courseof all possible dealer hands played using the house way of that program, there will be less hands you lose, thus subsatantially more pushes, by playing 0 - wong. Remember, you are starting with 4 tiles that will lose more than they win no matter what you do. The few wins you will have at 3 - 8 will not overcome the many more losses.
April 1st, 2011 at 7:39:16 PM
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Quote: AussieAs to my original point, could the Wiz or JD give an explanation to those who might not have played the game a huge amount as to why 12/9/L6/H4 should be played 0-Wong and not 3-8?
You can see from my calculator that wong-0 has the highest expected value. I think somebody else quoted them earlier in the thread. Why? Basically the 3 has so little hope of winning that you should just forfeit the low to improve the high. You gain more on the high than you give up on the low.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 2nd, 2011 at 12:01:02 AM
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Thanks for that Wizard. Hopefully that clears it up and false suggestion that 3-8 was the best play has been put to rest.
Next time Im in Vegas we will have to have a game. Ive been playing 10 or 11 years and its still my favourite game by far.
Next time Im in Vegas we will have to have a game. Ive been playing 10 or 11 years and its still my favourite game by far.
April 2nd, 2011 at 7:55:12 AM
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Quote: AussieSo rather than admit he was wrong MKL just slinks off and forgets all about this topic. Why am I not that surprised? :s
I think, this post deserves all the credit for mkl getting ousted.
Back in the 90s, when I was moderating some BBS boards, I would have to shun whoever makes a provocation like this immediately.
Modern liberal rules are so much more fun ... I love all the drama!
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
April 2nd, 2011 at 8:09:58 AM
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Quote: weaselmanI I love all the drama!
Except I pronounce it 'draama' now. Its so draa-matic..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 2nd, 2011 at 5:26:14 PM
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Quote: weaselmanI think, this post deserves all the credit for mkl getting ousted.
Back in the 90s, when I was moderating some BBS boards, I would have to shun whoever makes a provocation like this immediately.
Modern liberal rules are so much more fun ... I love all the drama!
I think it really cuts to the core of him - he simply can not be wrong. The slinks off comment was on the money too. The guy spent enough hours on this forum for it qualify as a full time job so there is no way he didn't see the earlier comment, he simply chose to ignore it to avoid admitting he way wrong.
I know the comment was originally made by Jerry but the "know-all" label is spot on. Mkl made over 3000 posts, 95% of which were telling other people how his view was the right one and their view was wrong. There is something seriously mentally wrong with people like that.
