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July 12th, 2024 at 5:57:25 AM permalink
I could see people on a remote location doing target practice, but the armorer should have insisted they bring their own guns and ammunition, Hers were for professional use only. Unless she really was a total idiot that should have kept her out of trouble.
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July 12th, 2024 at 8:34:34 AM permalink
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I could see people on a remote location doing target practice, but the armorer should have insisted they bring their own guns and ammunition, Hers were for professional use only. Unless she really was a total idiot that should have kept her out of trouble.
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Thr actors should have brought their own guns and ammunition to thefilm's?

Maybe they should bring their own horses? So if they fall off it's their fault? Bring their own cars for those dangerous stunts?
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July 12th, 2024 at 8:40:07 AM permalink
There was so much wrong on set and Alec was responsible. What's the charge? Premeditated manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter or murder?

I guess I'm too early.
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July 12th, 2024 at 8:52:08 AM permalink
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Baldwin has been maintaining that he did not pull the trigger

yesterday, 2 employees of Pietta firearms - the company that manufactured the revolver involved in the shooting - testified that the firearm could not have been fired without the trigger being pulled

the FBI said the same thing in their forensic report

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/alec-baldwin-trial-rust-day-2-highlights/story?id=111847932

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July 12th, 2024 at 9:08:52 AM permalink
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I could see people on a remote location doing target practice, but the armorer should have insisted they bring their own guns and ammunition, Hers were for professional use only. Unless she really was a total idiot that should have kept her out of trouble.
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Thr actors should have brought their own guns and ammunition to thefilm's?

Maybe they should bring their own horses? So if they fall off it's their fault? Bring their own cars for those dangerous stunts?
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No, not for the film, for their off time at the remote.


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The crew members were reportedly shooting at cans in a pastime known as "plinking" during downtime on the set².
(4) Gun in Fatal Rust Shooting Used in Target Practice that Morning - The Wrap. https://www.thewrap.com/halyna-hutchins-live-ammo-target-practice/.

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July 12th, 2024 at 10:19:22 AM permalink
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I could see people on a remote location doing target practice, but the armorer should have insisted they bring their own guns and ammunition, Hers were for professional use only. Unless she really was a total idiot that should have kept her out of trouble.
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Thr actors should have brought their own guns and ammunition to thefilm's?

Maybe they should bring their own horses? So if they fall off it's their fault? Bring their own cars for those dangerous stunts?
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No, not for the film, for their off time at the remote.


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The crew members were reportedly shooting at cans in a pastime known as "plinking" during downtime on the set².
(4) Gun in Fatal Rust Shooting Used in Target Practice that Morning - The Wrap. https://www.thewrap.com/halyna-hutchins-live-ammo-target-practice/.


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Ah I see. Yeah I agree
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July 12th, 2024 at 3:05:07 PM permalink
Judge just threw out all charges.

Trial over.

Prosecution screwed the pooch on this one.
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July 12th, 2024 at 4:21:41 PM permalink
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Judge just threw out all charges.

Trial over.

Prosecution screwed the pooch on this one.
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Screwed the pooch? Perhaps an understatement

They may have put their own careers in jeopardy.

Hiding forensics discovery on the actual bullets owned (and a match) to the bullet that killed the DP? Hiding their source by creating a separate case file so prosecution couldn't view it?

The case is dismissed WITH prejudice. Game over for good on this one.
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July 12th, 2024 at 5:07:19 PM permalink
Alec dodged a bullet on this one, ironically. 💡🤔
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July 13th, 2024 at 7:13:37 AM permalink
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Alec dodged a bullet on this one, ironically. 💡🤔
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Basic Nathan post ever!

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July 13th, 2024 at 10:22:35 AM permalink
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Alec dodged a bullet on this one, ironically. 💡🤔
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Basic Nathan post ever!
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Did you mean basic or best? 😭
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July 13th, 2024 at 11:15:20 AM permalink
At worst he was facing 18 months in prison; probably wouldn't have even gotten that. He would have been in a cushy protective custody cell because he's a huge celebrity, anyway. I think he's already paid off the family to some degree, too.
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July 13th, 2024 at 1:00:17 PM permalink
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Alec dodged a bullet on this one, ironically. 💡🤔
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Basic Nathan post ever!
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Did you mean basic or best? 😭
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I meant BEST and added that to my original post.
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July 13th, 2024 at 1:03:58 PM permalink
I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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July 13th, 2024 at 1:49:34 PM permalink
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I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?

Couple of questions:
1. What would one estimate his legal expenses were?

2. With the dismissal verdict, can he recover those expenses from the state, i.e. legal plus fees? How about costs delaying production and release of his film?

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July 13th, 2024 at 2:46:16 PM permalink
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I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?

Couple of questions:
1. What would one estimate his legal expenses were?

2. With the dismissal verdict, can he recover those expenses from the state, i.e. legal plus fees? How about costs delaying production and release of his film?

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Legal expenses were probably a lot. Perhaps a few million.

Might be able to recover them due to the way it went down. Hiding exculpatory evidence is probably grounds for a lawsuit against the state.

As for costs involving delays in production, that one is easy. It's decent size union so they will have a "completion bond guarantor". Basically insurance if the film can't be completed or has difficulty being completed.

It's usually doomsday when the guarantor gets called in. They get to now call the shots. Including replacing crew and directors and assigning their own editors.

They may try to avoid that by just raising the necessary funding but they will definitely have a completion bond to fall back on
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July 13th, 2024 at 3:07:01 PM permalink
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I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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Yes. The case started with a bang and ended with a whimper.

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July 13th, 2024 at 3:28:10 PM permalink
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I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?

Couple of questions:
1. What would one estimate his legal expenses were?

2. With the dismissal verdict, can he recover those expenses from the state, i.e. legal plus fees? How about costs delaying production and release of his film?

tuttigym
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Legal expenses were probably a lot. Perhaps a few million.

Might be able to recover them due to the way it went down. Hiding exculpatory evidence is probably grounds for a lawsuit against the state.

As for costs involving delays in production, that one is easy. It's decent size union so they will have a "completion bond guarantor". Basically insurance if the film can't be completed or has difficulty being completed.

It's usually doomsday when the guarantor gets called in. They get to now call the shots. Including replacing crew and directors and assigning their own editors.

They may try to avoid that by just raising the necessary funding but they will definitely have a completion bond to fall back on
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Thanks, DO, great answers. I was pretty sure legal fees and expenses might be recoverable, but it will be a long slog.

With that in mind, if Trump (no politics here) wins his appeals, especially in NY, NY might have to raise taxes big time to cover his recovery. Just sayin'

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July 13th, 2024 at 4:26:08 PM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym

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I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?

Couple of questions:
1. What would one estimate his legal expenses were?

2. With the dismissal verdict, can he recover those expenses from the state, i.e. legal plus fees? How about costs delaying production and release of his film?

tuttigym
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Legal expenses were probably a lot. Perhaps a few million.

Might be able to recover them due to the way it went down. Hiding exculpatory evidence is probably grounds for a lawsuit against the state.

As for costs involving delays in production, that one is easy. It's decent size union so they will have a "completion bond guarantor". Basically insurance if the film can't be completed or has difficulty being completed.

It's usually doomsday when the guarantor gets called in. They get to now call the shots. Including replacing crew and directors and assigning their own editors.

They may try to avoid that by just raising the necessary funding but they will definitely have a completion bond to fall back on
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He might be able to sue if he can prove the arrest and charges somehow violated his rights. Was he arrested in violation of the 4th Amendment or the laws of the state of NM? Was he charged without probable cause? Was he placed on trial without evidence of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? Were charges brought with malice? Lots of issues Baldwin would have to prove to be successful. A Brady violation doesn't necessarily mean there was a wrongful institution of legal proceedings. That being said, it's one heck of an unforced error by the prosecutors.

As for recovering production costs, be aware that filming resumed in January 2023 in California, with Matthew Hutchins, Halyna's husband, as an executive producer. The movie is completed and is now awaiting a buyer.

If I were Baldwin's lawyer, Id tell him to keep as quiet as the grave about the case or his actions on set or anything else, until the state decides whether to appeal or not. No need for any self-snitching.
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July 14th, 2024 at 1:49:57 AM permalink
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I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?

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There's no doubt in my mind or for anyone who has ever been in real legal troubles that this is a complete and utter nightmare for the person being prosecuted and facing life changing legal and financial consequences. I've no doubt his emotions were real.
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July 14th, 2024 at 5:47:33 AM permalink
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?
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You DO realize he is also just a person, with a life and family, facing real prison time, right? Actors are not always "on."
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July 14th, 2024 at 5:47:34 AM permalink
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?
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You DO realize he is also just a person, with a life and family, facing real prison time, right? Actors are not always "on."
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July 15th, 2024 at 7:26:13 AM permalink
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Alec dodged a bullet on this one, ironically. 💡🤔
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Basic Nathan post ever!

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Thanks! 😀 I remember Posters saying something like,"Nathan makes 99 stupid and weird posts and threads but then she turns around and makes a REALLY good post /thread and it pleasantly surprises me! 😀
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July 15th, 2024 at 6:32:06 PM permalink
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I have no particular affection for Alec Baldwin but it touched me to see him weeping when the judge declared a dismissal of charges with prejudice - as Baldwin's nightmare ends we can see how much of a nightmare it truly was for him.
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You DO realize he is an actor, right?

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There's no doubt in my mind or for anyone who has ever been in real legal troubles that this is a complete and utter nightmare for the person being prosecuted and facing life changing legal and financial consequences. I've no doubt his emotions were real.
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Robert Blake walked a few steps haltingly, and broke down crying too, when he was acquitted of a murder of which he was probably guilty.

'Baretta' star Blake acquitted of murder

OJ style ending:

Actor Robert Blake’s Murder Trial Was Not the End of the Story
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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July 15th, 2024 at 9:42:23 PM permalink
That's right, whether objectively guilty or not, no one wants his life to end in prison and everyone feels enormous emotional relief when acquitted to the point of breaking down in tears.
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to? You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
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